Yahoo Message Number: 6176 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6176)
Has any one in this group used "TIRSENTRY"? Or any other tire monitor other than smart tire- and if so- How do you like it?
Stan and Joni Vander Ploeg
Intrigue #11556 Full Timing
Yahoo Message Number: 6178 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6178)
I have it on 8 tires in the MH and 4 on the toad. I have dected a low tire on the inside dual and one on the left front on the toad. The alarm is set 10 percent below the operating pressure and is transmitted to a dash 2 inch gauge showing the location of the signal. I think it is great.
John Drebick affinity 6194
Yahoo Message Number: 6179 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6179)
We tried to get TireSentry, but when we were looking for a tire monitoring system, their monitors couldn't fit the Jeep wheels we have, so we went with SmartTire only for the rig and are hoping to get one for the Jeep soon. It seemed like a really good system from all our research.
Jan McNeill, Fulltimer
2001 Intrigue 11320
Yahoo Message Number: 12921 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12921)
i am looking for some advice if anyone can help. i just checked all the tires on my new 04 intrigue 42' ovation and found that the dealer has them set at 90#s. is this a good setting or should they be higher? i thought i had read somewhere that our tire pressure should be around 100 - 110 #s any comments will be very helpful. thank you scott
scott & deb drown
04 intrigue # 11729
happy trails from apple valley, ca
Yahoo Message Number: 12924 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12924)
Scott, take your coach and have it weighed. Then get out your chart for your tire specs and air your tires accordingly. Your dealer probably set the pressure for the empty weight. Hope this helps, Dale Hollick
Yahoo Message Number: 12927 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12927)
Scott,
Depends on the tire and weight of the coach at each wheel. If you have Toyo tires, take a look in my folder in the files section and there is an inflation chart for various size tires.
Jim Hughes
2000 Allure #30511
Yahoo Message Number: 12929 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12929)
I have the same coach, 110 lbs front/ 95 to 100lbs rear. I would get the coach split weighed just to make sure. Mine has difference of 50 lbs in front and 40lbs in the rear with driver and passengers aboard. I have 60 lbs of house cats aboard ie. 3 and Have no clue where they were at the time.
Sometimes I drive over 65 and, therefore add at least an extra 5 to 7 lbs. per tire. TWI 2004 Ovation 11731 PS I have the ISL, if you have the CAT thats another bunch of weight requiring more air.
Yahoo Message Number: 12949 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12949)
Don't trust a dealer to put the correct amount of air in the tires. Last year at Beaudry/Tucson I gave them the weight chart and the amount of air to put in, and they put 110# all around. This spring at Evergreen, I told them how much air, and when I drove off the SmartTire went crazy. Again 110# in all tires. Why don't these people listen????
Ree
Current location---Victoria, TX---where it rained nearly 7 inches this evening. Not fun!
2003 Allure 30852
Home is www.eldoradoranch.com near www.sanfelipe.com.mx
Yahoo Message Number: 12957 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12957)
I repainted the Magna myself. It cost me about $120 for various materials. The paint, I made myself. I'm a research chemist for a paint company. [/tt] The urethane is a polyester/acrylic which is mixed with a isocyanate. Very similar to Duponts Emron automotive paint and Sikkens urethane. Took me about two weeks in my spare time to prep the surface and about two hours to paint. Several others in the group have had their roofs redone. No sure what coatings were used. I was very unhappy with the white streaks down the sides from the deteriorating polyester gel coat.
Steve
- 95 Magna 5220
Yahoo Message Number: 12962 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12962)
Ree
For libility reasons dealers are now putting the maximum air in tires unless you tell them in writing what you want. At Lazy Days if you tell them to put air in your tires, they will put in 120 unless you tell them you have weighted the coach and only want 95 pounds etc depending on the weight. One time my service writer forgot to write down the air I wanted and I got 120#. Then I had to let some out but thats ok, they are just protecting us from ourselves. How many people on this site have had their coach weighted properly and know exactly what air pressure they need? From the notes I see, not many.
Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425
Yahoo Message Number: 12963 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12963)
We had our previous motorhome and our Intrigue weighed by RVSEF (formerly A'Weigh We Go). In addition to the comfort level of knowing the correct tire pressure, it was nice to discover that our Intrigue is ~3,800 lbs below GVWR when fully loaded (including full water tank). We haven't increased the amount of junk we carry in response to that, but it is nice to know that we'll never come close to our GVWR.
Dick (& Geri) Campagna
'98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97
Yahoo Message Number: 12967 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12967)
Yeah, we've learned that we have to double check the service people too...we found Evergreen inflated our tires when we went in for a "service appt."...all of them were the 120# like you mentioned.
Figured that out when the Smarttire went crazy. We, too, have had our coach weighed and have set our tire weights according to Toyo's recommendations. I've even talked with the fellow at Toyo to confirm the inflations since they were so different from what we kept hearing people used! He's the one who made a nice "weighing directions" that are included in our Toyo packet in the file from CC. If people follow that, it's pretty easy to determine correct pressures. One also gets a much nicer ride and handling when they're done correctly.
Jan McNeill
2001 Intrigue 11320
Yahoo Message Number: 12968 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12968)
Jan, I'm glad someone else uses the charts. I've been called crazy because I carry 85# front and 75# rear duals and tag, but that's above what the chart calls for, and I get A superb ride. After 33,000 miles at these pressures I have no noticeable wear on the tires.
Walt Rothermel
03Allure30811
Yahoo Message Number: 12969 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12969)
Could someone help me understand why the charts show higher psi for the duals than for the singles at the same weight. For example, 12R22.5 show singles at 95 psi for 6150 lbs and show 105 psi for the duals for 6140 lbs....I had been led to believe that a set of duals would carry more weight per psi than a single would ???.......
So in theory, and just for an example (not that this could ever happen), if you had a coach that weighed 6150 on each front tire and 12300 on each set of duals, then you would inflate to 95 in each front single tire and 105 in each dual. I must be missing something, right ???
Ray and Rue
05 Allure 31176
Yahoo Message Number: 12975 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12975)
A tire, when used as a single, may have a 6,000 lb capacity (at maximum pressure), but only have a 5,800 lb capacity at the same pressure 'cause the tire is subjected to higher heat buildup from being close to the engine, exhaust system and its sister dual tire.
I use a Raytek MiniTemp infrared thermometer "gun" to check tire temps whenever we stop and the inside duals are always warmer than the outside duals.
Dick (& Geri) Campagna
'98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97
Yahoo Message Number: 12976 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12976)
I'm getting confused and lost in the forest because of details.
Please, someone, just answer this one single question . Once you've determined the pressure you want your tires inflated to, should this the pressure when tires are cold - or hot?
Tom
05 Magna on order and now thoroughly confused on what to do about tire pressure.
Yahoo Message Number: 12977 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12977)
Ray and Rue, what you have been led to believe is incorrect. And it is not just the Toyo that has this relationship between single and dual. It is all tire that I have ever seen. You are not missing anything as your calculations are correct.
George in Birmingham, AL
Allure 31038
Yahoo Message Number: 12978 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12978)
Tom, the specification is for cold tires. Cold means roughly ambient temperature.
George in Birmingham, AL
Allure 31038
Yahoo Message Number: 12979 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12979)
Hi Folks,
Another issue is altitude. At 8000 ft pressures are different.
A real analysis was presented early in this groups life. pv=nrt & p1v1=p2v2
Fred Kovol
Yahoo Message Number: 12980 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12980)
Thanks, George. That is what I assumed.
I appreciate your uncomplicated response.
Tom
Yahoo Message Number: 12981 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12981)
[Country-Coach-Owners] Re: tire pressure George, is it possible that the higher psi for duals is manufacturers' CYA to avoid side-wall bulge which could cause the duals to rub against each other, as will happen if too-wide tires are installed of if pressures are too low, or due to flexure when going over bumps in the road.
Dave Fagen
1989 32' SE
Yahoo Message Number: 12982 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12982)
Don't forget temperature ; PV/T=PV/T
TWI 11731 2004 Intrigue
Yahoo Message Number: 12983 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12983)
According to Jim at Les Schwab, cold is defined as 40 deg. F. For every ten degrees above 40 you add so many lbs and for every ten degrees below 40 you subtract. But I can't remember the fidge factor.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731
Yahoo Message Number: 12985 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/12985)
Hi Folks,
There are many derivations to the two formulas as the reply from TWI gives one.
Now consider this:
1. As you climb the outside atmospheric pressure goes down and the corresponding inside tire pressure goes down because the tire gets slightly bigger. But at some point the tire can't get bigger, so the pressure goes up inside the tire as you climb higher.
2. The tire gauge reads gage or relative pressure. Therefore, as you
climb, the outside pressure goes down, the tire gauge reads a higher value if the pressure inside the tire remains the same. Note - if you used an absolute pressure gauge, its value would change under a different set of rules.
So, is it true, that as you climb the tire gauge reads a higher value or a lower value and why? It's important to know this and why you should or shouldn't adjust your tire pressure when at altitude.
My answer is, if you are at or close to sea level, that's where you adjust your tire pressure. And if you live above 1000 ft, adjust your tires at the elevation you live in and only adjust your tire pressure at that elevation.
Fred Kovol
Yahoo Message Number: 13007 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/13007)
Walt,
I think you are carring to little air in the rears. Most tire dealers say we should not go below 85 pounds even though the book says you can. At 75 pounds you have no room to lose some air before you need to put some in and that low pressure may make your duals come closer to each other and rub. I also carry some sewage in my holding tanks when on the road and thats why the extra pressure is necessary for us. 50 gallons of sewage will weigh 450 pounds. We run at 95 in the rear and that is 10 pounds above what the book says for our weight. We also run 110 in the front and that is 10 pounds over what the book says. Have run this way for 10 years and never had a tire problem except for an air leak from valve extenders which we no longer use.
Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425
Yahoo Message Number: 13009 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/13009)
plus according to the other tire maker you can now run 75 mph. TWI 11731
Yahoo Message Number: 13131 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/13131)
Dave, sorry it has taken a while for me to respond to your thoughts.
I was out motorhoming for the Thanksgiving holiday. I love the South.
I don't disagree with your suggestion entirely (pun intended).
However, tire ratings include a dual spacing spec which is based upon tire characteristics, including bulge. The offset of the wheels must match the dual spacing requirements. The tire manufacturer assumes that you follow that spec so they, in my view, are not doing a CYA.
The CYA is the presentation of the dual spacing spec.
I am not an automotive engineer but I believe there is science behind the differing weight carrying ability of a single wheel and tire each wheel and tire of a dual setup. I suspect that the primary issue is heat.
George in Birmingham, AL
Allure 31038
Yahoo Message Number: 46595 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/46595)
I also bought a tire inflation device from Les Swab in Junction City. It has been advertized in the Destination Magazine. It attaches to the air fitting in the forward bay bin on the left side and stays there. It boost the air pressure to 160psi. It comes with a 25ft coiled hose. It is a very small, compact thing that works very fast. It cost about $400. But it works great. I now think how would you ever live without it.
Lee 07 Intrigue 12099
Yahoo Message Number: 46597 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/46597)
I agree on tire booster, valve stem was my problem and very hard to find. Need tire guy who can submerge whole tire. I used Pete's in Santa Ana.
Sincerely,
Jim Spivey
Yahoo Message Number: 46612 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/46612)
Wow, this is could be confusing -
Lee
07 Intrigue 12099
Lee
07 Intrigue 12153
--
Lee Zaborowski
Intrigue #12153
Yahoo Message Number: 46641 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/46641)
I have the porter -cable compressor 150psi and it works well
Yahoo Message Number: 59124 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/59124)
I have a 45' with tag axle and my question is with 110 psi in rear tires and tag axle tires they build up to 127 psi in only 100 miles. So should I let air out to something less than 110 or put more air in and hope not to have as much build up? This build up is based on 70 degree days and the tires say that the air temp in them is 85. Thanks
Yahoo Message Number: 59125 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/59125)
Roger, well to start, I do not recommend letting air our, adding later, letting air our, adding later, etc.
Those numbers do not make sense. The Gas Laws tell us you will get about +2 psi for every 10 degree hotter. If your tires are at 110 psi at 70 degrees, then at 127 psi, or +17 psi, the temperature should be about 85 degrees higher or 155 degrees.
Maybe your readout is saying your tire temperature CHANGE is 85 degree, not 85 degrees higher?? The air temp in the tires has to be higher than 85.
--
Lee Zaborowski
07 Intrigue 12153
Yahoo Message Number: 74487 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74487)
I have a 2008 CC Intiruge 530 with 315/80/22.5 I run 120 psi in the steering and 110 in duals and 100 in tags because that is what the original owner was running is that right or should I change
Yahoo Message Number: 74488 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74488)
Twotendriver, a name would be nice.
Here is what I do.
My 2007, Intrigue 530 with a Cat engine weighs 43,200 lbs. I have the 315/80/22.5 on the front, 295/80/22.5 on the rear.
The minimum PSI for my coach/weights (tire manufacturer tables) is 95 front, 85 dual/tag. I add 10 PSI for safety . . . so run 105 fronts, 95 rears. No problems, smooth ride.
You should get your coach weighed - 6 point and consult the tire tables for minimum pressure, then add 5-10 PSI for a safety margin.
As others have said . . . the higher pressures are CYA pressures from the decal by the driver's seat.
--
Lee (leozbrowski@... (leozbrowski@...)) 2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13
Yahoo Message Number: 74494 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74494)
I have an 07 Intrigue 530 12162. I have the same tires. C13 Cat and when I bought it and it only had sheets a couple of pillows some toilet paper, toilet chemical and a dump kit in it, it weighed 49060 with a full fuel tank and 1/2 tank of water empty gray and black tanks.
I have since added a few blankets, towels, small tool kit, folding aluminum ladder, 6 aluminum folding chairs, two lightweight folding plastic tables, small ice chest, case of water, case of wine, dishes, glasses, silverware, clothes and some playing cards and now I go through the scale at 50,500 pounds or 55,400 when I am towing.
I read the sticker on the linen cabinet that says GVWR 47,600 and GCWR 57,600 but I don't think completely empty and bone dry I could make 47,600.
The sticker calls for 125 front and 105 all the way around in the rear and according to the michelin chart and the weight on each axle and tire, I could run 120 front and 100 rear but I just run 125 and 105
I wonder why mine is so much heavier than yours Lee and what or GVWR and GCWR is.
Do you have the heated tile floors? I am not sure about model numbers but I thought the 530 meant something close to that in horsepower (525 HP C13).
Is yours 45'
Mark
07 Intrigue 530 12162
C13 Cat Allison
06 Rubicon LJ
Yahoo Message Number: 74496 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74496)
Before CC changed and went to the 16,500 lb front end IFS, the carrying capacity was less than 2300 lbs, but I thought that was with a full tank of water and full of fuel. We had a bitch session at one of the CC rallies and Doug Rutherford was the moderator. When this subject was brought up there was a lot of moaning and groaning. But by the end of the rally we were informed the new front end would be in production soon. Look on the inside of the doors over the bathroom sinks and all the weight and capacity info will be printed on a form. There should also be a sheet with all the serial numbers.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731. 42' Carrying capacity wet, 9600 LBS. Dry my coach weighs 33,250. That's what I pay taxes on in Texas.
Yahoo Message Number: 74497 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74497)
I mentioned weight because that is what determines the PSI needed.
Length is irrelevant to PSI needed, but mine is 40 feet.
Lee
Yahoo Message Number: 74499 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74499)
The third paragraph of mine are the numbers from the sticker in the cabinet. My point was that I was already 3,000 overweight when I bought it and it was empty.
Yahoo Message Number: 74506 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74506)
Hello All
This was actually my coach prior to being purchased by twotendriver. The pressures that I used were based upon actual individual wheel weights (weighed at Buckhorn at the rally two years ago), the Michelin pressure tables and a 5 psi cushion. These pressure requirements could obviously change based upon the new owner's loading of the coach - therefore I would recommend that the unit be re-weighed because of the new owner's loading and then determine the proper pressures using the Michelin tables and a 5 psi cushion if so desired.
Kindest Regards,
Brad Burgess
Now an SOB
Yahoo Message Number: 74508 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74508)
I am sorry I didn't read your post carefully. Your GVWR is the maximum allowed weight with your coach loaded. I would imagine your coach dry should weigh about 43,300 lbs. That's with no water, no fuel, no passengers. Wet weight should be about 44,200. When my coach was new I split weighed the coach one weekend in Oregon as they leave the truck scales on, un attended and set the tire pressures accordingly. When we got home and we loaded the coach completely and I had added my own basement trays from Slim Slider, for our first trip we weighed 2000 lbs more. I tried weighing the coach 3 different places and one set of CAT scales read 3,000 lbs higher than the New Mexico scales, and another set of CAT scales. So, I re-inflated my tires accordingly, had the front shocks adjusted and we were off. I hope your issue is just a poorly calibrated set of scales. Now that I've added the weight of a new copper/brass radiator and sealed batteries, I need to split weigh the coach. Before I was only heavier on the DS by 150 lbs. I guess I need to personally loose weight.
There's are issues we haven't discussed though. Federal and most state highways regulations don't allow anyone axle to exceed 20,000 lbs. I don't know How thats going to effect you as you travel across the country, but I read here that some Federal highways and toll roads have automated scales and that you will charged accordingly, or else relegated to other roads and or ticketed. In Texas if the dry weight of your RV is over 26,000 lbs, you have to have a semi-commercial class B license as do Bus drivers and Firemen. TWI 2004 intrigue 11731
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731
Yahoo Message Number: 74516 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/74516)
According to the CHP I am limited to Interstate Highways because of Length and Weight and I am supposed to have a permit to actually drive it into town and park it at storage. They also said that I am supposed to have a NonCommercial Class A license. (I had to make an appointment with the CHP and have them inspect the vehicle and VIN before I could register it in California).
I have been to 3 different DMV's offices here in California to get a Non Commercial Class A license. 2 Offices told me I didn't need it for a motorhome and didn't know what test to give me (after about 3 hours in the office while they were arguing and discussing it internally, I left). The other office insisted that I needed to take a driving test with a regular truck and trailer. I had to be able to back the trailer in 3 different ways, drop the trailer, do the pre inspection and a bunch of other things. I don't have a regular truck and trailer.
I am going to move to Vegas soon and it is easy there, you walk in take the written test for Non-Comm A, and a short drive in your coach that has a short run on I-15 and three surface streets and you are done. Some guys I know retired to Vegas and got their's there.
When I went through the scale empty except for fuel and a 1/4 tank of water my drive axle was already 20,760. It is close to 22000 now and been real close to that the last three times.
That is kind of why I was asking some questions about Heated tile and Length trying to figure out why mine is so much heavier. I know that it originally came with 1 Flat Screen TV that raises up out of the cabinet in the main living area but the bedroom had an old style tube type TV that is now a Flat Screen which should have saved some weight. 2 drawers and 4 cabinets in the bedroom are empty. one drawer and one shelf in the bathroom is empty. There is only 1 gallon of toilet chemical and toilet paper in the toilet area. I only have two aluminum pans. I don't have a lot of heavy stuff loaded in it.
Mark
07 Intrigue 530 45'
C13 Cat Allison
06 Rubicon LJ