Country Coach Restoration, Repair & Parts Forums => Country Coach Archive => Topic started by: Gkirby86 on June 11, 2013, 10:24:45 pm
Title: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Gkirby86 on June 11, 2013, 10:24:45 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 88600 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/88600)Just got 2007 Allure 470. Xantrex inverter died on previous owner and he replaced it with Magnum Energy 2800 psw inverter. However, the AGS feature with the Xantrex inverter/remote was lost.
My options are: 1. install the Magnum AGS-N which will require pulling some wires and tying into the gen start switch wiring.
2. I also have the VSMpc 240 gizmo and have discovered that the coach is also wired for AGS with that system. The Silverleaf tm002 box in wired in the wall in the toilet room. According to folks at Silverleaf, I would need to purchase a module that interfaces their stuff with ME stuff and have software upgrades to both the tm002 box and the VMSpc 240 (send both back to them or take it to a dealer who may be able to upload new software).
Looking for advice from other CC owners on the Silverleaf system. Does the AGS feature work reliably? I've had ME inverter in another coach and their stuff seems really good.
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Olsarge79 on June 12, 2013, 11:39:15 am
Yahoo Message Number: 88610 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/88610)I have the VMS 240 in my coach and it works great, theAGS has worked seamlessly with my inverter. Before you go to the expense of purchasing the new the required hardware make sure that the inverter installed by the previous owner is big enough to handle the loads that you will need.
Terry Ray
08 Affinity 6837
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Fourninerpapa on June 12, 2013, 03:26:03 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 88611 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/88611)You should be able to install the Magnum AGS without pulling any wires. If the old Xantrax had AGS then the wires are already there. They are probably just taped off. I replaced my old Xantrax and it had the AGS. I did not buy the AGS from Magmum. I did not care about AGS so I just taped off the wires from the gen set.
Norm
04 Intrigue 11773
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Rich on June 12, 2013, 05:44:56 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 88613 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/88613)All I can tell you is that my Silverleaf genstart works utterly reliably, but I have a different system than u do.
Rich 2002 Magna
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: JimS on June 12, 2013, 05:50:52 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 88614 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/88614)Rich, does the VMS switch have to be on, SilverLeaf display on, for the auto start feature to start the gen?
Thanks - Jim 07 Allure #31570
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Lyle on June 12, 2013, 08:10:04 pm
That may not be correct. The cable from the Xantrex to the controller may not be compatible with the Magnum. One uses a telephone cable and the other uses a data cable. They look the same, i.e. telephone cable, but in fact they are not. The difference is that the wires are reversed on one as compared to the other. I can't remember which is which but the techs at Magnum are very helpful. If I am correct on this then a simple union connector that is an RJ11 reverse will work. (may not be called RJ11 reverse but an electronic shop may provide the actual nomenclature) I found a three inch pigtail to do this job. Also, a new controller will be required. If so, then a sense wire will be required to tell the controller when the genset is running and when it is not. This one is easy. A jumper from the hour meter to the controller will do the job. The folks at Magnum have excellent instructions which can be downloaded and they are very available by telephone. Lyle Wetherholt 04 Intrigue 11740 > You should be able to install the Magnum AGS without pulling any wires. If the old Xantrax had AGS then the wires are already there. They are probably just taped off. I replaced my old Xantrax and it had the AGS. I did not buy the AGS from Magmum. I did not care about AGS so I just taped off the wires from the gen set.
Norm
04 Intrigue 11773
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Gkirby86 on June 12, 2013, 11:01:17 pm
That may not be correct. The cable from the Xantrex to the controller may not be compatible with the Magnum. One uses a telephone cable and the other uses a data cable. They look the same, i.e. telephone cable, but in fact they are not. The difference is that the wires are reversed on one as compared to the other. I can't remember which is which but the techs at Magnum are very helpful. If I am correct on this then a simple union connector that is an RJ11 reverse will work. (may not be called RJ11 reverse but an electronic shop may provide the actual nomenclature) I found a three inch pigtail to do this job. Also, a new controller will be required. If so, then a sense wire will be required to tell the controller when the genset is running and when it is not. This one is easy. A jumper from the hour meter to the controller will do the job. The folks at Magnum have excellent instructions which can be downloaded and they are very available by telephone. Lyle Wetherholt 04 Intrigue 11740 >
> You should be able to install the Magnum AGS without pulling any wires. > If the old Xantrax had AGS then the wires are already there. They are probably just taped off. > I replaced my old Xantrax and it had the AGS. I did not buy the AGS from Magmum. I did not care about AGS so I just taped off the wires from the gen set. >
> Norm
> 04 Intrigue 11773 >
Thanks for the replies. Actually, I had already purchased the ME AGS-N before I found out I had the Silverleaf capability. At this point, I think I will try to install the ME AGS. It does require a network cable from the AGS module to the inverter and connections to the batteries common to the inverter and the genset. I am able to identify four wires at the Silverleaf module in the toilet room that, according to CC's wiring diagram, run to the genset switch above the entry door. One is labeled 'start', another is labeled 'stop', but the other two are not identified other than the diagram shows them connected to middle lugs on the switch. I understand I need to have a 'run sense' signal but when I test the four wires with my voltmeter, the only wire that shows 13+ volts only when the genset is running is the wire labelled 'start.' According to ME's wiring diagram for the Onan QD, the start wire and the run sense wire would be separate wires. I have no hour meter inside the coach. To get a wire to the hour meter would require running a wire all the way to the genset, not something I really want to do. Any ideas on how to tap into something else that would sense the genset running?
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Rich on June 13, 2013, 10:50:00 am
You are correct about the cable from the Magnum to the remote for the inverter. When I changed my Xantrex inverter out for the Magnum I had to reverse the wires on one end of the existing remote cable. I did it by cutting off the RJ11 connector on one end and crimping on a new one. I think they make union type connectors that will do the same thing. I also had to make a new faceplate for the Magnum remote to fit the hole left when I removed the remote for the Xantrex inverter. I may have misunderstood the original question. I assumed he already had a Magnum inverter installed along with the inverter remote.I further assumed he only wanted to add the AGS feature. It is my understanding the Magnum AGS controller can be installed wherever the old AGS wiring was terminated. In my case that would be next to the inverter. After reconnecting the terminated wiring from the gen set to the AGS-N module then the only requirement is a short run of RJ11 wire from the module to the Magnum inverter.I am sure that cable would come with the AGS-N module. The Magnum inverter remote control should then recognize the AGS module. Now it can be programed as needed.
Norm
04 Intrigue #11773
Title: Re: Auto Gen Start, Silverleaf or Magnum
Post by: Smitty on June 13, 2013, 03:15:14 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 88636 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/88636)I did not have a chance to reply before this, but Norm that is how I read things too. The AGS on our Magnum work over, was also installed back by the inverter using existing cables. With the same cosmetic oversize black trim change as yours. While converter union couplings are available for reversing, I like to eliminate as many as possible 'contact/connection' points as possible. So crimping on a new connector is usually a more long term problem free way to go.
Wish the OP best of luck, and best to all, Smitty
04 Allure 31017 (Now with more Magnum's then Dirty Hairy!)