Yahoo Message Number: 94053 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94053)
Pardon my ignorance, but I would just like to know. On my '05 Country Coach Inspire, I use the alternator to charge my starter battery. As an alternative charging method, am I supposed to be able to do that with my onboard diesel generator? If so, how do I know it's working, other than taking a measurement on the battery? Of course, if the coach starts, that's a clue. With shore power, used to charge my house batteries, I can see the charging on my monitor panel. There's no similar panel for the chassis battery.
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94055 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94055)
You have an echo charger located in the chassis battery compartment. Its a small box and is connected to you inverter/charger ..When the inverter is on the echo charger is on also . There are lights on the echo and I think when working correctly the green light in on steady.
Rod
Yahoo Message Number: 94056 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94056)
Gary
You should have a Xantrex Echo Charger Xantrex Echo Charge (http://www.bestconverter.com/Xantrex-Echo-Charge_c_123.html) in the battery bay where the chassis battery is, the large 8D. It should be up on the right hand side and there are 2 inline fuses you need to check plus there is a small light on it if it is working. Mine quit so I installed the Magnum Combiner Magnum Smart Battery Combiner ME-SBC (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnum-Smart-Battery-Combiner-ME-SBC-/221291588160?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item338601aa40&vxp=mtr) works great.
I also have one of these in a power port so I can see the voltage when it is just setting, got it a Ace Hardware Amazon.com: INNOVA 3721 Battery and Charging System Monitor: Automotive (http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3721-Battery-Charging-Monitor/dp/B000EVWDU0/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1393403884&sr=8-5&keywords=12+volt+meter) My voltage runs 13.6 most the time. When I got my coach it only took 2 weeks and my new 8D was down and would not start the motor. Your gen-set should charge you house batteries then charge your chassis batteries, same on shore power.
Floyd 2006 Inspire 51744
Yahoo Message Number: 94061 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94061)
Each rig is different.
Use a voltmeter to see if shore power or generator power is received at the starting battery. Should be about 13.6 dcv if it is.
If not, you can install a Trik-L-Start thingy which costs about $50 to accomplish the deed. Three wires attached to your batteries gets it done.
Yahoo Message Number: 94074 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94074)
I had to replace the fuse to my echo charger which is above and to the right of the starter battery.
Leon
2005 Inspire
#51486
Yahoo Message Number: 94086 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94086)
Hmmm. Nice idea on the TRIK-L-START charger. Connection diagram shows hookups to both house and starter batteries. My starter battery and house batteries are on opposite sides of my coach. Instructions explain that the connections can also be made at the "battery isolator relay" or "selector switch" in lieu of direct connection to the battery terminals. So now I have to figure out where this relay or switch is, if it exists on my coach. Definitely need some kind of external charging device.
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94088 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94088)
What were the observed symptoms prior to replacing the fuse? Was the echo charger not working at all (no green light, no charging)?. I see at least two fused lines connected to my echo charger, maybe three (am not at the coach right now). What do these lines connect to? Are they inputs or outputs?
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94089 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94089)
Thanks for the very helpful suggestion. Appreciate your response. So let's say I'm measuring 13.6 VDC on my chassis battery with shore power. What does that tell me about the charging system for this battery? It is charged, but how did it get that way? Let's say I unplug the shore power connection and start my generator? I read 13.6 VDC on the battery with my voltmeter. Where does the input for the Xantrex Echo Charger in the battery bay come from? Generator? Shore power? Alternator?
The green light on the Xantrex Echo Charger only comes on with the alternator, and not the generator or shore power. Does that tell me that the charging system is or is not working as designed?
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94090 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94090)
Hi Floyd,
Great information. Thanks much. I did some checking with my voltmeter. RV wouldn't start this morning with shore power hooked up (30 amps). Measured 11.78 VDC on the starter battery (not enough voltage). Xantrex Echo Charger light was off. Note: Coach started last Sunday on pad, has not been driven since. Obviously shore power has nothing to do with the charging system for the chassis battery (it ran down).
Started generator. Xantrex Echo Charger light still off. Obviously generator has nothing to do with it.
Jumped the battery and started the coach. Xantrex Echo Charger light now green. Charged up battery to 13.9 VDC using alternator.
Conclusion: The only way to charge the chassis battery with the Echo Charger using the factory installed charging system is by starting the engine. Possible exception: One of the fuses you mentioned may be blown. Will check those tomorrow. Have no idea what circuits these fuses protect.
Any comments?
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94100 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94100)
Gary,
So far I haven't heard anyone mention the fact that the Echo Charger will not charge the chassis battery until the coach (house) batteries attain a preset voltage. When on shore power the coach batteries are charged by the inverter/charger.
I can't remember now the value but it is basically fully charged. So basically the Echo Charger does not charge the chassis battery until the coach batteries are fully charged first.
When the engine is running the chassis battery and coach batteries are connected together in parallel by an oil pressure activated solenoid. When the oil pressure comes up after starting the engine the solenoid closes. It is the same solenoid that is activated manually by the so called 'battery boost' switch. It connects the coach battery to the chassis battery regardless of the voltage condition of either one of them. When running the generator I believe that the battery charging logic works the same as when on shore power in that the chassis battery will be charged by the echo charger once the coach batteries have reached the desired voltage.
The meaning of the green light on/flashing/on-full has always given rise to a lot of confusion. If you are on shore power for an extended period of time and the chassis batteries become discharged then something is wrong with the Echo Charger. Mine always worked correctly but reading other's posts it appears finding out exactly what is wrong can be a challenge. I requires a complete understanding of how it is supposed to work as described in the manual. If you don't have one I bet Google can find one.
If the Echo Charger is working correctly you should not need a trickle charger.
Don Seager
Ex CC owner
Yahoo Message Number: 94102 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94102)
Sounds like the Echo Charge device leads to the chassis and house battery banks might be reversed. The CC factory had a history of mis-wiring these devices over the years. Try swapping the leads; you may be able to do this at the fuse connections.
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Tom Harsch 2002 Allure #30791
Yuma, AZ
Yahoo Message Number: 94110 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94110)
Don,
Thanks for enlightening me on how this system is supposed to work. I have always thought of the chassis and house batteries as separate systems, but now know that's not true. I downloaded the manual and a cursory review reveals that the echo charger is supposed to kick in when a 1/2 volt difference is detected between the house batteries and the chassis battery. That probably isn't happening.
What I did not mention earlier is that I tried to use the battery boost switch in the coach to connect the house and chassis batteries. That didn't work. Prior to doing this, I measured 11.78 VDC at the chassis battery. The coach will start when the charge on the chassis battery reaches 12.6 VDC. It seems to me that connecting the house and chassis batteries through the battery boost switch should have worked.
Though I haven't used the battery boost switch in a long time, I seem to recall sort of a clattering noise when used in the past and I have been able to use it to assist the chassis battery in starting the coach. Now there's nothing when I press it. It seems to have no influence on the chassis battery.
Right now I am going to thoroughly read the manual, and then go out to the pad and see what the chassis battery is doing when connected to shore power. I will measure the voltage on the house and chassis batteries and check the light on the echo charger. My prediction is that the chassis battery is slowly discharging when connected to shore power, possibly due to no echo charge interaction. May I come back to you with my findings?
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94111 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94111)
Tom,
With our coach, many things were not done correctly at the factory so miswiring would not surprise me. A very reliable service technician in this area has the opinion that it all started going down hill when Country Coach was acquired by National in the few years preceding our purchase of a new Country Coach in 2005.
The echo charger seems to work when the engine starts. Would that be true if the wires were hooked up wrong?
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94112 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94112)
Gary,
The coach would not start without using the battery booster from the house batteries. Your echo charger has one LED that will be green charging), blinking green (maybe a trickle charge), Red (malfunction from the charger) not lit (no power to the charger). Make sure your coach is hooked to power and look at the light. I would do this at night because it is easy to see the LED. There are several fuses, so just unplug your coach from power and ohm or look at the fuse when you remove the fuse from the holder. I'm not at the coach so I can provide wire color or any other info. I hope this helps.
Leon
2005 Inspire
#51486
Yahoo Message Number: 94113 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94113)
One other thing I learned is that at least on my 8kw Onan, it has its own (about 8 amp) charging system wired directly to the house batteries on my coach, independent of the coach charger inverter. Whether this will cause the Echo to charge the chassis batteries, I have never explored. When boondocking, the Echo definitely works off of my solar cells after the house batteries are charged.
Rich 2002 Magna
Yahoo Message Number: 94114 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94114)
The 2 battery banks are separate. The echo charger will charge the other bank when one bank is above xx voltage. Either way chassis charging house or vice versa. That is that is the only ti
The battery boost switch is a big relay that ties the 2 banks together when activated so the stronger bank will charge the weaker bank. Typically used to boost the chassis bank to start the coach. You should hear a clunk when it is activated. You may need to be outside the coach with a helper hitting the switch.
If the chassis battery voltage does not increase when it is activated it may not be working. It will not instantly come to the higher voltage, but work its way up .
Mikee
Yahoo Message Number: 94116 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94116)
I had green light on echo charger and chassis batteries were not charging on shore power. I sent echo charger to Inverter Service Center in White House TN. They checked it out and determined it was bad so I replaced the echo charger. Dave2005 Allure#31284 From:
Yahoo Message Number: 94117 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94117)
Gary,
When the engine is running the echo charger is not part of the equation. Your alternator is charging both banks of batteries by way of a combiner solenoid which is closed by a signal from an oil pressure switch.
George in Birmingham
'03 Magna 6298
Yahoo Message Number: 94118 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94118)
When my Boost switch didn't work I found that the circuit breaker had tripped. It is a red reset button near the house battery on the wall.
Brian O'Day
2006 Inspire #51565
2011 Escape Hybrid Toad
Portland Oregon
Yahoo Message Number: 94121 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94121)
Don,
The voltage this morning on the chassis battery was 12.3 VDC, while the charge on the house battery bank was 13.5 VDC. That's a 1.2 VDC difference. The manual says the echo charger should kick in when the chassis battery is 1/2 to 1 volt below the house battery. It's right on the edge, but the echo charger remains off when connected to shore power. The only indication observed on the echo charger is either a steady green or nothing. There is no blinking green (house batteries below 13.0 VDC) or red (thermal shutdown) indication under any scenario. The manual says to check the fuse connected to the red wire if the light is off, presumably meaning that it never comes on.
My wife watched the echo charger when I pressed the battery boost switch in the coach, and it flashes on and goes off when released so it appears that there is a connection through this switch.
The fact is, given enough time, the chassis battery will discharge on the pad and the echo charger will not alleviate that. The static charge on the chassis battery was 12.3 VDC when measured. After starting the coach it was 13.9 VDC. If it gets to 14.0 VDC the echo charger is supposed to reduce the current. The chassis battery is probably a couple of years old, but I have no reason to believe it is bad.
Right now I have a better understanding of how the system is supposed to work. I don't believe it is working right. Why do so many people on this forum like to use trickle chargers, if their echo chargers are working as designed?
Gary Collins '05 CC Inspire 51491
Yahoo Message Number: 94122 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94122)
Dave,
That's very interesting. We have actually traveled all the way to Whitehouse, TN to get our inverter/charger worked on. The inverter was found to have a weak breaker, which had been tripping, and it was replaced. Some repairmen seem to have little knowledge of how to troubleshoot and repair an installed inverter. The Whitehouse technician put the device on the bench and checked it out.
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94125 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94125)
Since we are on the lift system my question is. The manuel system works great, but the auto system not so great. Left rear jack will not go down at all, system tries to level but just can't quite get there.
Tom 2005 Inspire 51177
Yahoo Message Number: 94126 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94126)
I had a device connected to the chassis batteries with a LED that shows green when the voltage Is at or above 13 volts It is visible through the louvers and is always green with the engine running
or connected to shore power It is used by truckers. Bob. 06 intrigue 12047
Yahoo Message Number: 94127 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94127)
Gary,
As I mentioned before I have little practical experience with the Echo Charger and it's manuals simply because mine never failed. All of what I understand comes form reading 10 years of other's posts on the subject. Everything you are telling me brings me to the conclusion that your Echo Charger is not doing it's job for whatever cause. If you have checked all of it's fuses then that brings us to the situation where a number of owners over the years have found that CC had wired the system backward. That would mean that the Echo charger would be set up to charge the coach batteries when the chassis battery was 1/2 volt above the coach batteries. If one believes that the Echo Charger actually has a defined input and output then it would take a while to logically think out what the symptoms would be. In any case it could also take a while for those symptoms to be seen especially for those who are on the go a lot.
One thing that seems to make sense to me is that there must be a relative voltage level set as well as the 1/2 to 1 volt differential between the coach batteries and the chassis battery. I makes no sense to possibly have the coach batteries setting at 10 volts trying to charge a chassis battery setting at 9 volts. At this point my suggestion would be to bring the manufacturer into problem and have the Echo Charger bench tested.
I have no idea of why some owners use a trickle charger to supplement the Echo Charger. I guess we will have to hear from a couple of them. I do know that the trickle charger should be of a fairly good quality so that it has adequate sensing to not overcharge the batteries. Also voltage levels of AGM type batteries are slightly different from lead acid types.
Good luck with finding the solution.
Don Seager
Former CC Owner
Yahoo Message Number: 94128 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94128)
The trickle charger is used as a band aid. Why not fix the problem?
Dan 2006 Allure 31348 C-9
Yahoo Message Number: 94129 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94129)
My battery boost was incorrectly wired from the factory. Didn’t find out until I tried to use it.
Dan 2006 Allure 31348 C-9
Yahoo Message Number: 94135 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94135)
Gary
Did you check the inline fuses. The Red wire goes to the House Batteries and the Striped wire goes to the Starter Battery. Like I said before one of the best things I got was the Volt meter that plugges into the power port, you see the voltage all the time on the start battery.
You may have seen this already
http://www.bestconverter.com/assets/images/Xantrex/echocharge/echochargemanual.pdf (http://www.bestconverter.com/assets/images/Xantrex/echocharge/echochargemanual.pdf)
Floyd 2006 Inspire 51744
Yahoo Message Number: 94141 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94141)
Gary,
Your Echo charger doesn't work or a fuse for EC is blown. I replaced mine with the Magnum Battery Combiner. It's a great product and easy install.
The battery boost switch has nothing to do with the Echo Charger.
The reason your chassis battery voltage increased with the engine running is because the alternator has taken over for the charger.
Very few on this board us a trickle charger. The overwhelming majority have a functioning EC or like.
George in Birmingham
'03 Magna 6298
Yahoo Message Number: 94144 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94144)
George,
Thanks for your information. Now I feel both enlightened and confused about how the system works. By "not part of the equation" do you mean the echo charger is out of the loop when the engine is running?
The echo charger green light comes on under the following conditions: A. The engine is running and B. The engine is not running and the battery boost switch is pressed inside the coach to assist in starting the engine. This green light does not come on when the engine is not running and the coach is connected to either shore power or generator.
You can clear up my confusion. If the echo charger is out of the loop (not part of the equation) when the engine is running, why does the green light come in? What does the presence of the green light mean under this scenario?
Thank you.
Gary C.
Yahoo Message Number: 94145 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94145)
Think that charge monitor will be a big help, especially while I am having a problem with the echo charging system. Did check the fuses today and they were okay.
Gary C.
Yahoo Message Number: 94146 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94146)
George,
Okay, I guess the light on the echo charger means nothing, since it has been replaced by the alternator. Checked the two fuses today and found them good, so the echo charger must be bad, as you suggest.
Have been in touch with Kevin Waite regarding the replacement you recommend. Assume the Xantrex is attached to the frame by screws which must be removed. During installation of the new MCB will I be able to attach it using the same holes left in the frame by the removal of the old Xantrex unit? Presumably, the MCB comes with detailed installation instructions.
Thanks for your advice.
Gary C.
Yahoo Message Number: 94148 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94148)
Gary
When I installed the Magnum Combiner I just marked it out on the other wall on the left looking at the battery about 10" in next to the lugs for the ignition max switch and kind of next to the wiring block set it up and drilled new holes. Got a roll of number 12 wire and made up the new harness with the same wire plugs and made the right one with a strip. Ran the wires through the hangers then plugged into the lines with the fuses and the one for the ground. It works great there because I can open the bay door and see the amber or green light and know it is working. Then I cut out a board painted it black and covered up the hole next to the battery to keep any water out if running in the rain. My old echo charger is still there why do the work to remove it.
My connect voltage is at 13.4 low voltage is at 12.9 and the high voltage is at 14.3 (works great) Hope this help.
Floyd 2006 51744
Yahoo Message Number: 94154 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94154)
Gary,
Yes. The Magnum device comes with complete instructions. The installation could not be easier. There are three wires for the Echo Charger and the same three wires for the Magnum.
One fused wire to house battery
One fused wire to the chassis battery One ground wire
The battery wires don't actually go to the batteries. They go to each side of the combiner(boost) solenoid. Just determine which is house and which is chassis. The ground may go to chassis if you wish but mine went to ground bus bar nearby. Each of the battery wires has an in line fuse. All you need to do is reuse the coach side of the fuse to install the new device. I have seen no installation of any device as simple as this one with the possible exception of the cooling fan controller which you do laying down.
Good luck
George in Birmingham
'03 Magna 6298
Yahoo Message Number: 94156 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94156)
Don,
Thanks so much for your thoughts on this rather knotty problem. Some have recommended replacing the Xantrex charging unit with one that operates on a different theory than recognition of voltage differences between two battery banks. Kevin Waite would probably not mind my quoting him on the factory installed Xantrex Echo Charge unit: "It's a piece of junk!"
We're not doing much traveling these days so our coach remains on the pad for long periods of time connected to shore power. Right now the only way to keep the chassis batteries charged up is to take the coach out on the road. That's probably a good idea, anyway. It's just the idea that things don't work as designed on one of the "world's finest motor coaches" that sticks in my craw.
Gary C.
Yahoo Message Number: 94159 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94159)
Gary,
The echo charger is not echo charging when the engine is running. That is because there is no significant difference in voltage between the house and chassis batteries. The reason there is no difference in voltage between the two batteries is because the alternator is charging them both via the boost(combiner) solenoid.
The green light comes on the Echo Charger when the engine is running because the house battery is above the trigger voltage which is something on the order of 13.2VDC.
I can't explain why EC green light does not come on when 120VAC is present except to say that I think it(the EC) is broken. Or your house battery is not reaching the trigger voltage.
George in Birmingham
'03 Magna 6298
Yahoo Message Number: 94160 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94160)
You don't have to drive it to charge the chassis battery. Create a jumper across the two studs of the boost solenoid.
As far as the EC not working.....stuff breaks. Replace it.
George in Birmingham
'03 Magna 6298
Yahoo Message Number: 94165 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94165)
Hello All
I posted on this issue a couple of years ago re: my 08 Intrigue. The Echo Charger is supplied by the manufacturer with two fused wires, and a ground wire, with slow blow fuses as per a previous post. On my 08 (and this may not apply to the coach in question, but it might) Country Coach added a second, totally unnecessary fuse on the output line of the Echo Charger - mine was near the combiner solenoid in the rear. This fuse from the factory was a 7 amp fuse - the Echo Charger at full output runs at 15 amps! When I accidentally found this blown extra fuse I replaced it with a 20 amp fuse - note that the fuse supplied with the Echo Charger still provided 15 amp protection. No more blown fuses and perfectly charged chassis when plugged in to shore power.
Brad Burgess
Yahoo Message Number: 94170 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94170)
Gary,
I have to express my agreement with Kevin; my experience with Xantrex kit in general over the last 12 years has been pretty dismal. Their inverter/charger units are particularly poorly designed and engineered. When I bought my 2008 Allure 3 years ago the Xantrex charger started playing up within a short while so I dumped it. I could go into a whole list of experiences but they are not relevant to your current problem.
I was pleased to find that CC had not installed the Xantrex Echo combiner, but the Blue Seas one. It is a very sensible simple unit and if indeed your Echo unit is gone south I would seriously suggest you consider the Blues Seas as a replacement.
http://www.bluesea.com/resources/59/Blue_Sea_Systems_CL-Series_BatteryLink_ACR (http://www.bluesea.com/resources/59/Blue_Sea_Systems_CL-Series_BatteryLink_ACR)
It should work with the existing wiring but worth getting a sparks to check that over for you.
Anyway good luck, electrical issues can be a real pita.
Michael
2008 Allure 31683
Yahoo Message Number: 94183 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94183)
Michael,
Thanks for the suggestion and sharing of your experiences. Did you install the Blue Seas yourself?
Not sure what I will do. Our coach is up for sale, but no takers so far. If we keep the coach, I want to replace the Xantrex. Meanwhile, I must get the most bang for my buck on getting the coach ready for viewing. A potential buyer will worry more about cloudy windows and worn valances than the charging system. Repairs could cost a couple of thousand dollars, but it might be worth the expense.
Meanwhile, I think I'll just hook up my external battery charger while its on the pad for months and quit worrying about it.
Gary Collins
Yahoo Message Number: 94191 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94191)
Gary,
As I mentioned in my post the Blue Seas combiner was installed by CC from new and not the Echo Charger. I know not why, but it is a useful piece of kit with adjustable parameters. One thing, you have made a lot of discussion on this board, a potential buyer may be CC savvy and have visited this board and maybe iRV2, and so be specifically advised of your issues... by your own posts. AND without wishing to take the moral high ground, if you just purchased a new coach and found a problem like the one you are describing there would be much reinventing of the wheel to get where you are now. So maybe fixing it would be the right thing to do, it's a failed item, not an aesthetic worn one? Although the windows are a different matter, but at least caveat emptor, they are in your face! But I wish you luck with the sale, things are picking up here in the UK, but I still have not sold my boat after 2.5 years on the market.
Michael
2008 Allure 31683
Yahoo Message Number: 94199 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94199)
Gary - I've seen other coaches for sale, where the owners had priced the replacement item, then provided a credit in the sale price to cover these. For example, price standard wet cells for your coach. Offer that amount as the discount off of your asking price. Explain to the potential Buyer you did not go ahead and replace them, as they may wish to take that credit and use it towards the purchase of a set of Lifeline AGM's, other brands. This way the Buyer can install the batteries they want.
If you plan to use it before selling, that may not work for you...
Best,
Smitty
04 Allure 31017
Yahoo Message Number: 94234 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/94234)
Smitty,
Good suggestion. Thanks. We started asking $93,000 about 6 or 7 months ago, now we're asking $86,900. I usually tell interested parties I've reduced my asking price to compensate for items that may need attention. People don't like items that "may need attention," though. They want a brand new used coach at a wholesale price. It's a nice coach but it has been lived in for nine years. May never sell it.
Gary