Country Coach Restoration, Repair & Parts Forums => Country Coach Archive => Topic started by: Nomowk2do on December 03, 2003, 02:52:07 pm
Title: direct tv
Post by: Nomowk2do on December 03, 2003, 02:52:07 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 7432 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/7432)I'm interested in knowing whether any of you are using Direct TV and recieving your home network, ABC, CBS, etc. that is outside of your home "spot-beam" area.
I recently changed from Dish because they would not broadcast my home network stations outside of my "spot-beam" or "footprint"area.
When I spoke with an installer today, he was very sure that Direct TV did not have the capabilities of isolating the signal and that I should be able to recieve my local network in any location, even outside of the "footprint".
The customer service gal had me sign an RV waiver and told me she would authorize my recieving East/West coast feeds rather than my home stations.
Before I change to the above, I'd like to know if any of you are using Direct TV and recieving your home stations. If so, I'll just leave it alone.
I haven't taken the reciever with me this year to find out, but we are going south like the birds in a few weeks and would like to know.
Thanks for your input and Happy Holidays to you all!
Larry
Intrigue 10762
Title: Re: direct tv
Post by: Joseferrer@att Net on December 03, 2003, 04:16:10 pm
You can get local programming from DirectTV if you pay them a $ 5.00 monthly fee. I've had good success for the most part however, it dosen't always sync up as well as it should. In one case I had multiple choices for local channels but only a few actully worked.
Regards
Jose' Ferrer 03' Allure 30863
Title: Re: direct tv
Post by: Ray Grupp on December 03, 2003, 04:40:26 pm
Once your outside the spot beam, your out of luck on both Direct and Dish. I used to be able to tune in the 110 west and get my local anywhere in the country, but those days are over. I know have Direct, hate it and cannot get local outside the beam. Also beware, if you have one receiver, you will have to cancel your local when they give you east/west. If you have two receivers, one at home and one in the Coach, you can't have local at home and east/west in the Coach. Good luck.. Tom
02 Allure 30780
Title: Re: direct tv
Post by: Dspain1@aol Com on December 03, 2003, 08:58:30 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 7447 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/7447)I have had direct tv service since 1999 and until last year I could receive my local orlando stations anywhere I went but in 2002 that changed to spot beam and it is only good for about175 mile range of orlando, after that nothing. dave
Title: Local vs Distant DirecTV/Dish networks
Post by: Herb Strandberg on December 04, 2003, 09:40:17 am
Yahoo Message Number: 7456 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/7456)I can understand the need for spot beams, so they can use the same frequency for other local stations around the USA. Not enough frequencies for them to blanket the country with 500-1000 local stations they are now required to carry.
Why can't we automatically have, or easily get, the local channels, if available, for the area we are visiting with our RV. The home next to the RV park gets them. It would seem that these local channels and their advertisers would like our viewing while in there area. Who wouldn't like it -- must be the LA/NY stations? I don't know why the FCC should object -- except because of lobby dollars. We should fight the FCC or NY/LA distant east/west stations that have the monopoly.
If I can't get my home town channels while across the country, I would prefer to at least have the choice of seeing the local channel for the area (safety, weather, viewing hours and local activities), over the NY or LA stations.
A long time ago, at least I had a choice of three geographic areas on the east and west coasts -- NBC-LA, ABC-SF, CBS-Seattle, but now we are stuck with only LA activities on the west coast side.
True, some local areas overlap (Sacramento and San Francisco Bay Area). I am sure that neither want to give up their viewers to the other local area. But for mobile RV'er, we should be able to force a change. They allow us the choice to view the east/west networks already while still in our local footprint. It may be that DirecTV/Dish does not want the extra paperwork.
Any suggestions on how to proceed? What are the arguments from the FCC, etc, that we need to counter?
Herb
Title: Re: Local vs Distant DirecTV/Dish networks
Post by: Kathy Marsh_01 on December 04, 2003, 10:34:26 am
Very valid points that you bring up - especially the safety issue. We are full time RV'rs and I have often thought I would like to know if there is bad weather heading in our direction. Who would not want to know that thunderstorms, hail, etc. are expected in the next several hours while all the TV info you get is a smiling face from LA telling you it will be in the mid 80's today. Anyone have an idea how to band together and crack this nut or are we just bumping heads with the politicians and TV industry with their deep pockets?
Kathy Marsh
Title: Re: direct tv
Post by: Tammy on December 04, 2003, 10:49:25 am
Yahoo Message Number: 7459 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/7459)When I signed up for Direct TV in September I asked about local stations. The rep said there would have to be a waiver from the local stations before I could get it. DTV put in for the waivers and they were denied. I haven't tried to get the LA or NY stations yet.
How close to cities with networks are yall?
Tammy
Intrigue 10250
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I'm interested in knowing whether any of you are using Direct TV
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recieving your home network, ABC, CBS, etc. that is outside of your > home "spot-beam" area.
I recently changed from Dish because they would not broadcast my > home network stations outside of my "spot-beam" or "footprint"area.
When I spoke with an installer today, he was very sure that Direct > TV did not have the capabilities of isolating the signal and that I > should be able to recieve my local network in any location, even > outside of the "footprint".
The customer service gal had me sign an RV waiver and told me she > would authorize my recieving East/West coast feeds rather than my > home stations.
Before I change to the above, I'd like to know if any of you are > using Direct TV and recieving your home stations. If so, I'll just > leave it alone.
I haven't taken the reciever with me this year to find out, but we > are going south like the birds in a few weeks and would like to
know.
Title: Re: Local vs Distant DirecTV/Dish networks
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on December 04, 2003, 11:09:33 am
Yahoo Message Number: 7460 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/7460)I've found this discussion very interesting but must admit I'm pretty happy with the way things are. I like the east/west coast arrangement as I can watch favorite programs at different times as I choose. I don't miss not seeing the local stations while traveling as I live in a community where the "local" stations are about 70 miles away in a larger city, and they give little attention to my local news. Insofar as getting the local stations where we are camping, the antenna and booster built into my rig do a pretty good job if the RV park doesn't have cable. Most of us buy these expensive rigs to " get away " and I think we may be going overboard in trying to stay in touch with home. That said, I recogniize different strokes for different folks.
Walt Rothermel 03Allure30811
Title: Re: direct tv
Post by: Herb Strandberg on December 04, 2003, 11:54:53 am
Yahoo Message Number: 7462 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/7462)Typed most of the following reply (which I will not erase) before I re-read your comment. If you are saying that you needed local home base waivers to receive local DirecTV in another state, I think I heard the same thing. Does not make sense, because you are out of the footprint of local home base stations from the satellite.
Maybe the issue in my case is where the footprints overlap (San Francisco and Sacramento). So we may need a solution which would block SF if I am in the Sacramento footprint, but allow any local stations with outside of your local home base footprint. Probably not enough channels on the receiver to allow all footprints to be enabled at once.
Maybe we need a way (web and/or phone) which allows us to call and say we would like locals for zip code xxxxx enabled, and all other locals disabled. Obviously, if we are not at that zip code, they don't have a concern that we are watching it from three states away.
Maybe my proposed service should be called "Variable Local Networking for RVers", and maybe require the following affidavit if that would make them happy. If it is useful to you for pleasure or safety, use it, otherwise just do Distant Network (or leave the TV off).
Now my original reply (based upon my first interpretation of your comment, but may be useful for other people):
I live in a networked city.
For my house, before the local stations were on DirecTV, my waivers were denied because I could get adequate over-the-air reception even without a roof antenna. I wanted some network reception on DirecTV, but they would not allow it.
But now they have a special certificate for receivers permanently mounted in an RV, which allows automatic granting of the waiver.
However, you cannot mirror your home to your RV (while distant networks are enabled) and pay just $5 for the extra receiver. So when you are on the road with Distant Networks activated, they need to disconnect or un-mirror your house from your RV -- two separate base $30+ fees if unmirrored. When on the road, out of my local area, I tell them to turn off my home receivers, and give me Distant Network on the remaining receiver in the RV and just pay one $30+ fee without the extra $5.
Following info from
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/Learn/DNS_Vehicles.dsp (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/Learn/DNS_Vehicles.dsp) Distant Network Service (Residential Accounts Only)
We're pleased to offer our mobile customers DNS (distant network service) programming of ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC stations from New York and Los Angeles (eight channels) for $8.00 per month. One national PBS service may also be available, depending upon your location, for an additional $1.50 per month.
Before we can add the DNS networks to your DIRECTV® programming, federal law requires that you send us the following information: (1) Photocopy of your vehicle registration. (2) This Mobile Vehicle Affidavit Declaration of Intent form (please print and complete).
(3) Photocopy of commercial driver's license (if you're requesting service for a commercial vehicle such as a tractor trailer). http://www.directv.com/learn/pdf/DNS_Vehicles_Aff.pdf (http://www.directv.com/learn/pdf/DNS_Vehicles_Aff.pdf) Herb
Quote from: Tammy
When I signed up for Direct TV in September I asked about local > stations. The rep said there would have to be a waiver from the > local stations before I could get it. DTV put in for the waivers
and
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they were denied. I haven't tried to get the LA or NY stations
yet.
Title: Re: direct tv
Post by: Tammy on December 04, 2003, 04:07:35 pm
Thanks for the explanation. I didn't understand what DTV was talking about when they explained, I just knew we were turned down for the local programming.
We are only on the road for a week or so at a time so I guess I will just have to work with the antenna for a while. When we stop working and start traveling more then it would make since.
Tammy
Intrigue 10250
Quote from: Herb & Melitta\[br\
Strandberg"] > Typed most of the following reply (which I will not erase) before I > re-read your comment. If you are saying that you needed local home > base waivers to receive local DirecTV in another state, I think I > heard the same thing. Does not make sense, because you are out of > the footprint of local home base stations from the satellite.
Maybe the issue in my case is where the footprints overlap (San > Francisco and Sacramento). So we may need a solution which would > block SF if I am in the Sacramento footprint, but allow any local > stations with outside of your local home base footprint. Probably > not enough channels on the receiver to allow all footprints to be > enabled at once.
Maybe we need a way (web and/or phone) which allows us to call and > say we would like locals for zip code xxxxx enabled, and all other > locals disabled. Obviously, if we are not at that zip code, they > don't have a concern that we are watching it from three states away.
Maybe my proposed service should be called "Variable Local > Networking for RVers", and maybe require the following affidavit if > that would make them happy. If it is useful to you for pleasure or > safety, use it, otherwise just do Distant Network (or leave the TV > off).
Now my original reply (based upon my first interpretation of your > comment, but may be useful for other people): >
I live in a networked city. > For my house, before the local stations were on DirecTV, my waivers > were denied because I could get adequate over-the-air reception
even
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without a roof antenna. I wanted some network reception on DirecTV, > but they would not allow it.
But now they have a special certificate for receivers permanently > mounted in an RV, which allows automatic granting of the waiver.
However, you cannot mirror your home to your RV (while distant > networks are enabled) and pay just $5 for the extra receiver. So > when you are on the road with Distant Networks activated, they need > to disconnect or un-mirror your house from your RV -- two separate > base $30+ fees if unmirrored. When on the road, out of my local > area, I tell them to turn off my home receivers, and give me
Distant
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Network on the remaining receiver in the RV and just pay one $30+ > fee without the extra $5.
Following info from >http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/Learn/DNS_Vehicles.dsp (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/Learn/DNS_Vehicles.dsp) >
Distant Network Service (Residential Accounts Only) >
We're pleased to offer our mobile customers DNS (distant network > service) programming of ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC stations from New
York
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and Los Angeles (eight channels) for $8.00 per month. One national > PBS service may also be available, depending upon your location,
for
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an additional $1.50 per month.
Before we can add the DNS networks to your DIRECTV® programming, > federal law requires that you send us the following information: > (1) Photocopy of your vehicle registration. (2) This Mobile Vehicle Affidavit Declaration of Intent form