Yahoo Message Number: 102878 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102878)
Don't know if anyone has seen the attached in the Country Coach Friends Newsletter:
http://www.countrycoachfriendsincorporated.com/editor_upload/File/Newsletter/CCFI%20September%20Newsletter%202015-3.pdf (http://www.countrycoachfriendsincorporated.com/editor_upload/File/Newsletter/CCFI%20September%20Newsletter%202015-3.pdf)
Basically, any of us with a Moto Sat dish that still works (mine works fine) is screwed. As are a number of others. Dish apparently changed something in the way the satellites are communicated with and the Moto Sat controller will no longer be able to pick them up. Dish made the move, but it also affects DirecTV subscribers. Cal Thorn told me on the phone that Dish could care less, since about .001% of their business is mobile.
The RF Mogul upgrade kit for the MotoSat dish is $1,300 and a new RF Mogul dish is $2,200! Neat, huh?
Dave Glen
'06 Magna 6591
Yahoo Message Number: 102882 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102882)
Yes, I also found out about this. Looking at a Winegard solution. Also, thinking about chucking the whole thing and going to a over the air solution. I will post my pain as I go.
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 102886 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102886)
PLAN B. Get a Satellite Oasis Directv HD Satellite Dish RV Tripod Kit. Amazon has it for $145 w/free shipping. Go to: Amazon.com: Satellite Oasis Directv Hd Satellite Dish Rv Tripod Kit: Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005110PXA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1PT4SRCKEK7TC&coliid=INJ0UPAP6JI0F)
Some may need the Satellite Oasis model DTVSWMSKIT model instead,
Lee (leozbrowski@... (leozbrowski@...)) President, CCI
2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13
Yahoo Message Number: 102903 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102903)
Wally
I went with the RF Mogul last year and it has performed well. I did not go with the Winegard because I was told that it would have to be returned to the factory for any repairs.
Dan 2006 Allure 31348
Yahoo Message Number: 102904 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102904)
Wally
I would research RF Mogul. New development is that Mogul software/hardware (not sure which) is crashing. The company is offering the fix at a cost of $1200, which my friends have been told is at company cost. Sounds a little like MotoSat all over again--at least there seems to be a fix.
Larry Cannon
2008 Intrigue 12270
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:48 AM, "Daniel Fahrion dfahrion1@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
Wally
I went with the RF Mogul last year and it has performed well. I did not go with the Winegard because I was told that it would have to be returned to the factory for any repairs.
Dan 2006 Allure 31348
Yahoo Message Number: 102905 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102905)
I have researched the issue: A Satellite was removed and the Moto Sat can't find it and winds up peaking to nothing. Thats a very short answer. Number of issues with RF Mogul, Royal Lamb has left and he seemed to know what was going on. Will need to find someone willing to install the RF mogul upgrade. Seems like everyone does Winegard and it has been said here, you have to send parts back to factory to be fixed.
Yesterday, I researched HD TV Antennas and DVR's for them and I think it can be done. If I suspend DirectTV for 6 months I would save $800 less the programs I would have to pay for on Apple TV.
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 102906 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102906)
If you need assistance with RV satellite stuff and are anywhere near Houston TX, you should call Dave at Sats2Go He has worked on our TracStar SV360 3 times and all 3 times fixed it and added DirecTV to our bedroom for a fraction of the cost that LazyDays in Tampa wanted. He is the RV satellite "guru" in our opinion and if he can't fix it or install it, nobody can.
We still have the old analog TV in our bedroom and get over air channels via a converter box using our original omni direction antenna that came on the coach. We did research for a better antenna for over air channels and found that the King Digital HDTV Antenna got the best reviews. We decided we would live with what we have.
www.sats2go.com (http://www.sats2go.com)
Lonny & Diane Livingston
'04 Allure #31065
Yahoo Message Number: 102910 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102910)
This is not RF Mogul/Motosat's doing. Satellites used by Direct and DTV changed their identifier frequency and the old systems cannot deal with the change. The newer Eagle versions will have no problem picking up the satellite.
Coriwelsh
12314 Intrigue
Switched to Eagle 2 and all is well with DTV!
Yahoo Message Number: 102912 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102912)
Crazy timing. I just bought a used motosat unit last week for parts. My current motosat worked today but its a SD2 controller. The one I bought was a 2/3 which I think is obsolete based on this news so is likely headed for the recycle bin. I would have thought more people would have been effected.
Rod
Yahoo Message Number: 102914 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102914)
My Moto Sat went out in May and I replaced it with the new (small) Dome King. Can be mounted on the roof but I elected to use it portable. Works great and only cost $499. Plugs into the cable outlet.
Paul Bodenahamer
2001 Magna #5992
Yahoo Message Number: 102923 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102923)
When 'o when is ANY satellite TV for coaches going to be anything other than a screw job! Can't say enough bad about the entire industry, at least as far as it relates to mobile usage!
I'm going to wait until next Spring to take stock of the situation before I either upgrade my Moto Sat or invest in an RF Mogul. Neither situation is appealing at all! But, then, does anyone think any of them give a rat's a... about what we think?
Dave Glen
'06 Magna 6591
Yahoo Message Number: 102927 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102927)
On 9/14/2015 4:56 PM, David Glen dmglen@... (dmglen@...) [Country-Coach-Owners] wrote:
For my take on this question, I have to say that in far more places than not we have been able to get adequate service "over the air" with our modren antenna, and even in some parks with cable, I have found the over the air service to be better. For instance, I have found that many park cable providers carry Fox but not PBS. Quite often in those locations, we are able to get PBS over the air. I prefer choice, not chance.
Ken Harrison
2004 Allure #31035
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In an age of information, ignorance is a choice.
Yahoo Message Number: 102934 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102934)
As of today, Sept 15, my Nomad 2 and MotoSat dish still work on DirecTV. I'll be using it daily for the next 2 weeks and will report and change.
Lee (leozbrowski@... (leozbrowski@...)) President, CCI
2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13
Yahoo Message Number: 102936 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102936)
Mine is still working too Lee> See you at Watkins Glen. Barrie Boas 94 Concept 5111
Yahoo Message Number: 102937 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102937)
Ken: Have a glass of wine! Barrie Boas 94 Concept 5111
Yahoo Message Number: 102938 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102938)
Looking forward to seeing you both next week . . . Been a while.
Yahoo Message Number: 102939 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102939)
It's the RFM1000 and RFM1100
Elta Mae & Wally
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 102940 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102940)
That has also been my understanding. RF Mogul repairs Motosat systems. One of originators of RFMogul was a Motosat engineer before some kind of falling out.
Dan 2006 Allure 31348
Yahoo Message Number: 102942 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102942)
Im a little confused. It sounds like dish made some changes making the early versions of the motosat obsolete but the newer controllers are still working so they must use some other transponder for there aiming. Is there reason to think they may make another change causing a problem for the Nomad sd2 controllers? Rod
Yahoo Message Number: 102945 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102945)
Rod, I don't know about the others but I'm a DirecTV Customer.
The other variable is the software update version in each receiver. For a period, regular software updates were issued. I have the latest (40.3 I believe). That could be a factor.
In any case I'm good for now, whatever that means time-wise?
Lee (leozbrowski@... (leozbrowski@...)) President, CCI
2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13
Yahoo Message Number: 102946 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102946)
Should not be confused, it's the boxes RFM1000 and the RFM1100. It's a Korean Software issue, the satellite was removed from being used. The RfMogul boxes do no know this and keep on trying, till its peaks on nothing. This happened on 8/21/2015.
Wally Falch
408-666-8566
Wfalch@... (Wfalch@...)
Yahoo Message Number: 102947 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102947)
On 9/15/2015 11:04 AM, 'J. Barrie Boas' jbells_32713@... (jbells_32713@...) [Country-Coach-Owners] wrote:
Yahoo Message Number: 102968 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102968)
Im on direct TV and it worked fine on the last outing. Is this just a dish network thing or are there some direct tv costumers that have been effected.
Rod
Yahoo Message Number: 102978 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102978)
I was wondering the same thing!! I pay Direct for another receiver(6.95) and my service has been good so far. I have also used one of the receivers from our home and it worked as well. There are two problems, which are really not problems. After about 400 miles from home, we lose our local channels and if the receiver in the RV remains dormant for a month or two, we have to call Directs automated system and do a reset. In case we happen to get in a place where there is no cell service, we always reset ours before we leave home. We don't have anything fancy on ours, just a manual rooftop Weingard dish.
On Friday, September 18, 2015 12:58 AM, "jrodneyrobbins@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
Im on direct TV and it worked fine on the last outing. Is this just a dish network thing or are there some direct tv costumers that have been effected.
Rod
Yahoo Message Number: 102979 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102979)
Local channels are spot beamed and you will lose them when you leave the spot beam area.
Yes, the receivers become deactivated if they do not talk to Direct for a period of time. The easiest way is to call direct TV and tell the automated attendant "721" that will cause Direct to reactivate all receivers on the account. Just be sure the received and sat system are operating when you do this.
Mikee
Yahoo Message Number: 102980 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102980)
Or you can get the direct tv app and reauthorize on your phone or laptop John & Ginger Lord
06 Inspire
51861
FMCA F450216
CCI 8211
Yahoo Message Number: 102985 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102985)
I go online to reset the receivers. Easy.
Now that we full time we added affiliate feeds and get ABC, CBS, NBC etc from NY. If we want "local" news from home we go online.
We still have the original TracStar dome. Had it worked on a couple of times by Dave at Sats2Go in Houston and he said it's still a good one.
Lonny & Diane Livingston
'04 Allure #31065
Yahoo Message Number: 102986 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102986)
Diane and Lonny, thank you so much for mentioning getting our "local" news from the online sites. I have to say that's brilliant. No worries about getting our tv stations while traveling that way. We also have our original TracStar done, and it seems to be going strong so far with no difficulties with DirecTv.
Mary Frederick
06 Inspire 51784
Yahoo Message Number: 102993 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102993)
I have used DirecTV in my motorhome for 8 years. When you arrive at your destination, simply call DirecTV and change your service address (not billing address) to the address of your campground. Then ask them to re authorize your receivers, and - voila - you have the local stations for your current location. Repeat when you return to base and you are good to go.
You can change your service address as often as you like!
Phil Webb, '06 Inspire 51836
Yahoo Message Number: 102999 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/102999)
Phil,
I would sure like to know who you have talked to. I have tried it 2 different times on this trip and has been unsuccessful to get them change anything. I have turned in their required paperwork and it has been approved. when I call them they said that they could not do the change. So right now I'm stuck with west coast feed and I'm in the central time zone. I talked to their "Specialist" and both time they are saying that they can not change my feed to where I'm at.
At least it working for some.
Dave
07 Country Coach Allure 430 #31495
12 Jeep GC Toad
Mountains of So Cal and
Henderson, Nev
Yahoo Message Number: 103000 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103000)
To clarify, there are two ways to go: pay extra for the east or west coast feeds, or, cancel the extra cost feed and make your campground address your service address each time you move. When I get the automated phone attendant and it asks me to describe what I need, I say "change service address" - and am immediately transferred to a rep, who changes the address no problem.
I should mention that I also use the receivers from my stick home when I travel.
I have NEVER had a rep even hesitate to change my service address. Perhaps the west coast feed prevents them from accommodating your request.
Phil Webb, '06 Inspire 51836
Yahoo Message Number: 103002 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103002)
How often do you make the change of service address. I'd have to change it every day or two on some of our trips?
Richard
2001 CC Affinity
Yahoo Message Number: 103004 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103004)
You are correct - I change my DirecTV Service Address as often as every 2 or 3 days when I am traveling.
Phil Webb, '06 Inspire 51836
Yahoo Message Number: 103005 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103005)
The only drawback to changing service address is all of your receivers go to the new zip code. So, if you have a DVR at home set up to record your favorite stuff it will not record anything on your home or usual stations.
Mikee
Yahoo Message Number: 103006 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103006)
Are you trying to change your service address or your remote feeds? They will change service address, but not the east or west feeds.
Mikee
Yahoo Message Number: 103007 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103007)
Mikee,
I was in So Dakota last week and I tried to change my "Service Address" and all I got was that my guide lost channels from the west coast (wasn't getting them anyway) and nothing else changed. My guide had my major channels (west coast) on 2,4.7, and 11. Now my guide starts at channel 70 and those major channels are now in the 390's.
I tried a couple of days ago since we are now in northern Minn. All I got from the "Tech" was we can't do that.
For those that this "Change of Service address" works... what do you get from it. Is it just local channels added? or do you get all the major channels change also?
Right now I'm in a RV Park that has way too many trees and can not get a decent signal for the Sat.
Dave
07 Country Coach Allure 430 #31495
12 Jeep GC Toad
Mountains of So Cal and
Henderson, Nev
Yahoo Message Number: 103008 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103008)
If you have local channels at home in wasa wasa somewhere and you go to teaa somewhere and change your service address you will lose your "home" locals and gain the new address locals. Everything else stays the same.
But remember if you have a DVR at home it will not record local channels because you changed your locals.
Mikee
Yahoo Message Number: 103009 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103009)
I used to have the east and west coast feeds but dropped them when they raised the price a few years ago. Locals are becoming less and less important due their being over 200 channels anyway.
Mikee
Yahoo Message Number: 103010 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103010)
Dave - We're still new to our DirecTV account in this coach. But the way I understand it, you currently can only get a West Coast or East Coast feed. Some long timers have been grandfathered in where they could obtain either feed, like Mikee used to be.
Also as I understand it, this is an FCC issue, not DirecTV.(?)
But, as pointed out, you can call or do online chat, to have your current Service Address changed. The DNS paper work you filled out, is what is used by the FCC to authorize DirecTV to change the local content providers. The buzz word Spot Beam is used quite a bit, but I kind of look at it as an upside down cone, sitting above the region that you have changed your service contract to. The point of the cone is at the satellite, the open end of the cone is all around you. Stay within the cone, and you can get all of the local content channels. Go outside of the cone, and 771 message when you look at those channels.
Why local content? We like to watch the current news and weather forecasts, and get a fill for the location we're in. Also, sometimes these local channels include ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. - and their content is on the current timezone that your in. While we were in Sioux Falls with Central Time Zone, we could record or watch shows two hours earlier then the West Coast Feed of these channels. It basically gives you more flexibility and options on when to watch or record a specific show. We find that we usually like to shave 15+ mins off of each hour program, and record and then fast forward thru the commercials. So regular shows that we enjoy, we DVR off of the West Coast feed. One other advantage that I've found so far, sports, the local content may show different teams playing then you would get off of the West Coast feed. So you might find a game that you can watch that would not be available to you on only West Cast feed.
Not all areas that you change your Service Address to will have local content. For example we're in the Moran, WY area, as we're splitting the next three weeks between Gros Ventre in the Tetons, and then inside Yellowstone at Madison Campground. Had the Service Address changed to Colter Bay's address, Moran, WY. And we are not getting any local content at all. May try later to change it to Jackson, WY and see what may show up. So far, I have not had any luck on locating a way to find out what local content is available in a region?
Sorry for being so long winded, and remember I'm a rookie on Spot Beams and DirecTV in general, so I may have the wrong conclusions in my perceptions shared above.
Best of luck to you,
Smitty
Yahoo Message Number: 103012 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103012)
The only thing I can add to this, is I use the chat function from within my Direct TV account to change my service address. I also believe that the FCC will only let you have West OR East coast feeds, not both. I think you have this nailed, thanks.
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 103014 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103014)
I solve the DVR problem by taking it with me in the coach. That way I can still record programming as I like.
Yahoo Message Number: 103015 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103015)
When I change my service address, the only thing that changes are my local channels. All other programming remains intact. From what I am seeing on the forum, I am guessing that subscribing to DNS (east or west coast feeds) might cause an issue with obtaining local channels by changing your service address. Might be worth a call to Tech Support (if you can suffer through the voice response system!)
Yahoo Message Number: 103016 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103016)
No problems here changing my Service Address. Use the chat Function instead of calling.much quicker.
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 103018 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103018)
What type of satellite dish do you have? Thanks.
Mike Frederick
06 Inspire 51784
Yahoo Message Number: 103019 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103019)
Dave;
When you encounter one of the usual idiots at the DirecTV call center, just ask to be transferred to the CTG (Customer Retention Group). Just encountered the usual problem this morning when disputing a $135 charge because I had deactivated my coach receiver. I did that because I had been paying them $6.95/month 365/24/7 for a receiver to be active so that I wouldn't lose my FCC waiver for the distant network channels (east and west). Previously, I would simply call them and tell them to activate the DTN channels when I was moving across the country to save the hassle of having to call in to change service address many times during a 7-8 week trip (and usually getting an idiot in the call center who would tell me I couldn't do it. Rules have changed (probably as a result of ATT merger) and FTC waiver is no longer "keepable" and it takes 10-14 days and a lot of hassle to activate it.
Now I have to call in to get locals, or think way ahead to file the FCC waiver. Usual PITA to deal with them, but I never talk to the call center person who answers first...I always get transferred to CRG. I've not heard of your "only west coast" feeds, but , if you have the FCC waiver on file, you can definitely get BOTH east and west (unless someone has promulgated a new "policy" that they can blame on someone else.
Sound like I hate DirecTV...yes indeed! But, not much option other than cable in the park or over the air.
Dave Glen
'06 Magna 6591
Yahoo Message Number: 103021 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103021)
How true! Just one more hiccup by DirecTV!
Dave Glen
'06 magna 6591
Yahoo Message Number: 103029 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/103029)
I have a Winegard Trav'ler. It has 4 outputs which supports the two inputs for my DVR, one for my bedroom TV, with one to spare.
Phil Webb, '06 Inspire 51836