Yahoo Message Number: 109970 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109970)
Greetings,
I currently live in Arizona where it is not only expensive to register my coach but is difficult to pass the emission testing.
My question, is does anyone have experience with forming a Montana LLC for the purpose of registering their coach and what are the pros and cons? Also any recommendation on which company to use would be helpful.
Thank you in advance.
George Magee
06 Inspire
51639
Yahoo Message Number: 109971 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109971)
Action Services 800 481 0013, works great, very easy, super people there.
From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:03 AM To: Country Coach Yahoo Group Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC
Greetings,
I currently live in Arizona where it is not only expensive to register my coach but is difficult to pass the emission testing.
My question, is does anyone have experience with forming a Montana LLC for the purpose of registering their coach and what are the pros and cons? Also any recommendation on which company to use would be helpful.
Thank you in advance.
George Magee
06 Inspire
51639
Yahoo Message Number: 109972 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109972)
Hi
Contact Bennett Law Office, PC in Missoula, MT They are very experienced and are extremely friendly and will walk you thru the whole process.
Google them. They have a good web site.
Ed
08 Intrigue 530
#12360
Yahoo Message Number: 109974 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109974)
i use Deer Creek set up n llc for RV rental then when you drive the MH print out a rental agreement that way they can't ask why you have a Az drivers license and Mt plates
Yahoo Message Number: 109975 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109975)
One make sure and research your state laws. Here in CA if it is garaged here must be registered here and they are going after owners without of state registrations. They also offer a reward for tattling on your neighbor of something like 10% of what the state collects.
Ray
They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser
Yahoo Message Number: 109977 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109977)
Colorado also encourages snitches. Colorado values @ 100% MSRP when new so owning an expensive RV is costly! Colorado also allows registration in another state if it is out of Colorado a specific number of days per year. Front Range folks caught with OOS registrations were fined for tax evasion and back taxes.
Coriwelsh
12314 Intrigue happily registered as a MT LLC and out of Colorado most of the time.
Yahoo Message Number: 109978 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109978)
I am in CA. Thought about it, but then after reading the interwebs, decided to register it here since it's life will be in CA. If you are full timing it would be a good solution.
2005 Intrigue Suite Sensation #11890 Cummins 400 ISL
Yahoo Message Number: 109979 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109979)
One case that made news here in the south was a guy that had his coach registered out of state for 3 years, registration plus penalties and fine was over $10K and if not paid in 30 days vehicle would be impounded.
When they catch someone they have no mercy. Since a major source of our road funds come from reg fees kind of needs to be this way. Not to be confused with I am happy about the fees or the way they compute them.
Ray
They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser
Yahoo Message Number: 109980 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109980)
Here those issues all the time over the last 25 years... I personally had a customer who did the Oregon deal while living in Washington, once he got caught by a neighbor that turned him in. He ended up not able to ever bring the coach back into Washington, or pay all the fee's & fines going back to date of purchase. He ended up buying a piece of property in Oregon and storing the coach there.... Worked for him but I just couldn't drive 150 miles every time I want to use the coach.
I'm surprised hearing that it's too expensive to register in Arizona...
Jim
From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:51 PM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC
One case that made news here in the south was a guy that had his coach registered out of state for 3 years, registration plus penalties and fine was over $10K and if not paid in 30 days vehicle would be impounded.
When they catch someone they have no mercy. Since a major source of our road funds come from reg fees kind of needs to be this way. Not to be confused with I am happy about the fees or the way they compute them.
Ray
They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser
On 2/17/2017 2:08:21 PM, "Todd Meyer toddrmeyer@... (toddrmeyer@...) [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Yahoo Message Number: 109981 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109981)
If you cannot afford the registration sell the coach. Quit trying to cheat. We have enough of them in Wash DC.
Craig Spiess
2007 Inspire #51959
Redlands. CA
Yahoo Message Number: 109982 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109982)
When I purchased my motor home in 2005 we were living in CA. We were going full time. We had family in Oregon and changed our residents to Oregon and then licensed coach in Oregon. Oregon has very good registration fee. In 2006 I paid $418.00 out the door for 2 years. Renewal for additional 2 years was $368.00. There rates are based on the length of the coach not price. This worked for us as we full timed for almost 10 years.
Jock Vargo
Former 2005 Inspire owner
Yahoo Message Number: 109983 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109983)
Hey Craig,
Lighten up, I never said I couldn't afford the registration, I was simply looking for information. My motivation for asking actually had little to do with the cost of registration and more to do with the hassle of emission testing since I will be far from home when my registration is due. I was looking for alternatives.
Thankfully most on this forum are willing to give polite, honest and helpful feedback not judgmental comments.
George Magee
Inspire 51639
Yahoo Message Number: 109984 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109984)
I formed one for this purpose. Found that in addition to the questionable legality of having a MT registered vehicle garaged in my State, the availability of financing was restricted (my bank wouldn't finance it unless my name was on the title, and MT will NOT allow your name to be on the title - just the LLC) and there was a question whether I could use my current auto policy to insure it, which meant the insurance would also be more expensive. In the end, I backed out of the plan, and went ahead and titled/registered it in my State (paying the requisite sales tax). So: check ALL the issues before you waste your time and money doing this.
Don Hutchins
'08 Allure 470, 40' tag w/ Cat C-9 and Cat tranny
Yahoo Message Number: 109986 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109986)
I agree that that was a very disrespectful reply. There can be many reasons for these questions.
On Friday, February 17, 2017 11:31 PM, "George Magee magee.george@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
Hey Craig,
Lighten up, I never said I couldn't afford the registration, I was simply looking for information. My motivation for asking actually had little to do with the cost of registration and more to do with the hassle of emission testing since I will be far from home when my registration is due. I was looking for alternatives.
Thankfully most on this forum are willing to give polite, honest and helpful feedback not judgmental comments.
George Magee
Inspire 51639
Yahoo Message Number: 109987 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109987)
I appreciate the feed back on this subject. After careful consideration I don't think I will be pursuing the Montana LLC option! Thank you everyone!
George Magee
06 Inspire 51639
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:19 AM, "'Don Hutchins' dbhutchins@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
I formed one for this purpose. Found that in addition to the questionable legality of having a MT registered vehicle garaged in my State, the availability of financing was restricted (my bank wouldn't finance it unless my name was on the title, and MT will NOT allow your name to be on the title "" just the LLC) and there was a question whether I could use my current auto policy to insure it, which meant the insurance would also be more expensive. In the end, I backed out of the plan, and went ahead and titled/registered it in my State (paying the requisite sales tax). So: check ALL the issues before you waste your time and money doing this.
Don Hutchins
'08 Allure 470, 40' tag w/ Cat C-9 and Cat tranny
Yahoo Message Number: 109988 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109988)
We can only make informed decisions by gathering data. This forum is a great resource for that.
Good luck, btw how expensive is registration in AZ? Looking at the dmv site it is impossible to get estimate.
Yahoo Message Number: 109989 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109989)
George,
I apologize for the content and tone of my post. I realize there are alternatives available to RV owners and each State's regulations are different and sometimes confusing. Good luck to you in the future.
Craig Spiess
2007 Inspire #51959
Redlands. CA
Yahoo Message Number: 109993 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109993)
I think it's always a healthy exercise to find legal opportunities to pay less in taxes. Montana LLC's can be a legal alternative for many FTers and not just folks that live in MT.
I certainly would have found a way to pay less sales tax if I bought this thing new. $30k in CA sales tax is nuts.
I would potential find a way to pay more in taxes if government was so wasteful. We are not getting back what we pay in.
Yahoo Message Number: 109994 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109994)
Paid $853 last Sept. for 1 year
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:54 AM, "Ray cnrllc@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
We can only make informed decisions by gathering data. This forum is a great resource for that.
Good luck, btw how expensive is registration in AZ? Looking at the dmv site it is impossible to get estimate.
Yahoo Message Number: 109995 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109995)
We have used the Bennett Law firm LLC for our RVs for about 10 years - Full timing for 7 years now [8 Yrs 5th Wheel & 2 Yrs MH]. We are very happy with their service. Understand there may be issues if one is trying to finance purchase. Registration is very reasonable - no emission. Also have not had any major issues with insurance. Use Miller Insurance in Oregon. Just be aware LLCs really for full timers or a person who really does not use RV in state were they may have a house.
Richard
05 Inspire
51265
From: "George Magee magee.george@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" To: Country Coach Yahoo Group Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:02 PM Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC
Greetings,
I currently live in Arizona where it is not only expensive to register my coach but is difficult to pass the emission testing.
My question, is does anyone have experience with forming a Montana LLC for the purpose of registering their coach and what are the pros and cons? Also any recommendation on which company to use would be helpful.
Thank you in advance.
George Magee
06 Inspire
51639
Yahoo Message Number: 109996 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109996)
2007 Allure registered in CA. Tag for 2017 is $659. No emission testing....I could be really snarky but will pass.....
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 109997 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109997)
2006 Allure 470 registered in Florida $87.75 (there is a one time $225 fee first time registering any vehicle in Florida)
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:23 PM, "Walter Falch wfalch@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
2007 Allure registered in CA. Tag for 2017 is $659. No emission testing....I could be really snarky but will pass.....
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 109998 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109998)
Registration: Owned our Inspire since new 2006. Over $3000 the first year, now depreciated to about $700 this year. Yes, absurd. But never considered the Montana route since it is parked fulltime here in AZ. Interesting part is sales tax. If you purchase from a Private Owner, no matter how much, sales tax free. From a dealer, up to 10% depending on the county you reside.
Lon
51800
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Yahoo Message Number: 109999 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/109999)
In Texas there are no emission tests and the price of the plates is determined by the dry.weight of the Vehicle. In my case its ABOUT a penny a pound. $316.00 for a 42' Ovation, 32,600 dry weight. . Twi 2004 Intrigue 11731
Yahoo Message Number: 110000 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110000)
I was thinking yearly tags and registration was high in my state, Ga. My tag was $653.00 in 2016 and has been in 600 to 800 dollar range the four years we have owned it.
RoySmith
Bremen, Ga
98 Allure CC#30195
Yahoo Message Number: 110004 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110004)
Purchase our 2005 Inspire in 2015 thru MT LLC Registration was $122.50. In MT after 12Yrs can get permanent plate - so in 2016 paid $415.61 with no further fees. So Will be ahead of game in 4 yrs.
Rich & Jan
2005 Inspire 51265
From: "The Maestro dickprn@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" To: "Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC
2006 Allure 470 registered in Florida $87.75 (there is a one time $225 fee first time registering any vehicle in Florida)
On Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:23 PM, "Walter Falch wfalch@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
2007 Allure registered in CA. Tag for 2017 is $659. No emission testing....I could be really snarky but will pass.....
Wally & Elta Mae
2007Allure 470 #31535
Yahoo Message Number: 110011 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110011)
Rich,
My 2005 Inspire is #51264! Yours must have been right behind mine on the assembly line.
RJ
Yahoo Message Number: 110019 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110019)
Hi Folks,
How good is this.
A senior living in Alaska gets one vehicle free of registration fees. Renewal is a 2 year period for all vehicles.
After you have so many years, that one vehicle gets a permanent tag. This means there is no further re license.
Fred Kovol
2000 Allure 30593
Yahoo Message Number: 110021 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110021)
George,
What emissions testing does Arizona require? I always thought California was the toughest but here diesels are exempt if GVWR is above 14000 lbs.
Steve
2004 Allure
30990
Yahoo Message Number: 110023 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110023)
AZ requires a yearly test.
The problem is during the test upon initial full throttle my Cat C9 emits a puff of black smoke but then runs clean. This puff of smoke causes the machine to reject the vehicle not fail the test. Last year I was fortunate enough to get an inspector that waited to insert the sensor in the exhaust pipe until after the the initial puff of smoke and I had no problem passing. I'm just not sure that all inspectors will be that flexible. I took the coach to a Cat Dealer and was told everything was within specs.
George
06 Inspire 51639
On Monday, February 20, 2017 9:46 AM, "saltytuna1@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:
George,
What emissions testing does Arizona require? I always thought California was the toughest but here diesels are exempt if GVWR is above 14000 lbs.
Steve
2004 Allure
30990
Yahoo Message Number: 110024 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110024)
Old truck driver told me many years ago, put a tennis ball under the pedal and push hard. It's the turbo not spooling up quick enough to burn the fuel. By slowing down the throttle it gives the turbo time to spool up....
Jim
From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:25 AM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] RE: Montana LLC
AZ requires a yearly test.
The problem is during the test upon initial full throttle my Cat C9 emits a puff of black smoke but then runs clean. This puff of smoke causes the machine to reject the vehicle not fail the test. Last year I was fortunate enough to get an inspector that waited to insert the sensor in the exhaust pipe until after the the initial puff of smoke and I had no problem passing. I'm just not sure that all inspectors will be that flexible. I took the coach to a Cat Dealer and was told everything was within specs.
George
06 Inspire 51639
On Monday, February 20, 2017 9:46 AM, "saltytuna1@... [Country-Coach-Owners] (saltytuna1@...%20[Country-Coach-Owners])" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
George,
What emissions testing does Arizona require? I always thought California was the toughest but here diesels are exempt if GVWR is above 14000 lbs.
Steve
2004 Allure
30990
Yahoo Message Number: 110028 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110028)
AZ only requires smog in the Tucson and Phoenix metro areas....... all other parts of the state are exempt. Also, because of their fee design (take 60% of MSRP 1st year, take another 15% off each year there after) older coaches are pretty cheap to register...
Yahoo Message Number: 110036 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/110036)
As far as Arizona is concerned it depends on where you live. In Yuma we have no emissions requirements to license a vehicle...
Steve 2000 Magna #5784