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My guess is that if CC were to meet with a group of owners a

result would occur. The initial meeting could prove embarrassing

after a couple of years of making improvements, the results would

more than worth it. This forum is an excellent source of

for CC if the right person is monitoring it. Too frequently, > information never reaches high enough within an organization to be > taken seriously. In past consulting assignments, either the > President or Chairman of the Board usually retained us. We had few > problems with resistance to change from managers once it was

who employed us.

Last spring when we purchased our two year old coach we were > surprised at the loss the original owners were taking. It was

40% of their original investment. At this point they had replaced > the batteries, inverter and could barely open the front door as the > latch was not operating properly. They had water leaks on the

of the coach that repairs had been attempted by CC. It still

when we encountered a rain storm. It was not determined the exact > reason for the sale, but the defects probably had something to do > with it. Being an old engineer and shade tree mechanic, the

have been made and the coach is doing well. The 3M gutters

this summer work very well, no rain water was found in the front

stair well for the first time after a rain storm and the sides are

Last September I pulled up the floor in the bedroom step and > attempted to lubricate the Pac Brake. The first problem was

what to lubricate. The picture from the Pac Brake didn't match

was observed. It turns out that the Pac Brake was installed

down. One of our group advised me of having the same problem with

coach number close to mine. CC has agreed to turn it over at no

when we return to Eugene next spring. It is well out of warranty, > but it was an obvious mistake. CC does care and is willing to own

to their mistake.

In Arizona a home builder has operated a program for several

When each subdivision is finished he throws a party for the owners > with all his staff present. He asks for comments for what they

right and what was wrong. What changes would the owners like to

in designs, workmanship, sales personnel, and even down to the

up service when defects have been found. The result has been a > builder that today builds a better home than custom home builders

the defects have been vastly reduced and wonderful design > improvements made in the models. People have been known to sleep > outside sales offices the night before a new subdivision release

to happen. Many of the subdivisions are in the $500,000 to > $1,000,000 range in direct competition with custom builders.

My guess is that if CC were to meet with a group of owners a

result would occur. The initial meeting could prove embarrassing

after a couple of years of making improvements, the results would

more than worth it. This forum is an excellent source of

for CC if the right person is monitoring it. Too frequently, > information never reaches high enough within an organization to be > taken seriously. In past consulting assignments, either the > President or Chairman of the Board usually retained us. We had

problems with resistance to change from managers once it was

who employed us.

Last spring when we purchased our two year old coach we were > surprised at the loss the original owners were taking. It was

40% of their original investment. At this point they had replaced > the batteries, inverter and could barely open the front door as

latch was not operating properly. They had water leaks on the

of the coach that repairs had been attempted by CC. It still

when we encountered a rain storm. It was not determined the exact > reason for the sale, but the defects probably had something to do > with it. Being an old engineer and shade tree mechanic, the

have been made and the coach is doing well. The 3M gutters

this summer work very well, no rain water was found in the front

stair well for the first time after a rain storm and the sides are

Jim

2000 Allure #30511

The gutters were installed because of the air conditioning condensate >running over the coach sides in addition to rain and morning dew.
After ours was built, CC starting installing pans under the A/C units >and drain lines that are concealed running into the wheel wells. The

What are the 3M gutters you speak of and how and why did you

> Jim

> 2000 Allure #30511
>

The gutters were installed because of the air conditioning

running over the coach sides in addition to rain and morning dew.
After ours was built, CC starting installing pans under the A/C

and drain lines that are concealed running into the wheel wells.

water does not do slides any good in addition to the streaking.

gutters are easy to install with 2 people and run the entire

of the coach on each side. Someone previously posted a web site > showing pictures. Campers World sells them but there supplies are > limited as to color and length. Ordered 100' from Essential > Products, Simon and Barbara De Beer, 1-800 560-7147. Cost $175.50 > including tax. They have a web site but can't remember the name.
They charged less than their web site indicated and less than

World.

In addition to the gutters, have added some 1/4 inch copper > extensions (six inches long) that are held in place by modified > wooden cloth pins when parked. The water clears the coach with

installed. I will post some pictures the next time the coach is > visited. I may also install the gutters on the front and rear,

> >The gutters were installed because of the air conditioning

running over the coach sides in addition to rain and morning dew.
>After ours was built, CC starting installing pans under the A/C

and drain lines that are concealed running into the wheel wells.

>

IMHO, this problem could/should be solved by routing this

over the condenser coils thus slightly improving the efficiency by > evaporation.

This is widely done in window AC units improving efficiency by a

Agree that there could be a better way to drain the condensate, but >not sure I would want it spread over the condenser. I remember >years ago working in my dad's refrigeration and AC business the >problems we had servicing some of the AC units. The units had a >condensate pickup ring around the circumference of the condenser fan >blade. That ring would be low in the condensate pan so that it >would pick up the condensate in the pan, along with anything else >floating in it, and throw it through the condenser for additional

Thanks John. Now I remember where I saw the write up about the > gutters. It was in May 04 issue of Motorhome magazine. The web > site is http://rvgutters.com (http://rvgutters.com) . Sound like a great idea. How long > have you had them on your coach? Did you just put it down the > sides? Does the foam tape that is used to install trap dirt and > stuff where there begins to be a buildup black mold and dirt? If > these work well, it would sure make it easier to keep coach clean.
Just affraid it would become a trap for stuff like the gutters on a > home.

Jim

200o Allure #30511

[quote author=countryjrc"

>

> What are the 3M gutters you speak of and how and why did you > install?
> >
> > Jim

> > 2000 Allure #30511
> >

> The gutters were installed because of the air conditioning > condensate

> running over the coach sides in addition to rain and morning

After ours was built, CC starting installing pans under the A/C > units

> and drain lines that are concealed running into the wheel wells.
The

> water does not do slides any good in addition to the streaking.
The

> gutters are easy to install with 2 people and run the entire > length

> of the coach on each side. Someone previously posted a web site > > showing pictures. Campers World sells them but there supplies

limited as to color and length. Ordered 100' from Essential > > Products, Simon and Barbara De Beer, 1-800 560-7147. Cost

including tax. They have a web site but can't remember the

>

So, they are reading--but who knows if they are listening. We just