Yahoo Message Number: 6046 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6046)
I have a 2000 Allure 36ft. and I have had 3 tire failures in ;the last year, two in the last month. In one case I know the tread seperated. AI am not overweight ( had 4 point weighing by a weigh we go ( they have anew name) so wonder if anyone has had a similar experience. Also Toyo tires are very difficuot to find on the road so now I have 3 new Goodyear tires of the same size. Any info would be of lhelp as I am sure I have a bad set of tires. lI also have smarttire so I know my pressure was OK. Please help . Jim Waterfield
Yahoo Message Number: 6049 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6049)
Hi, Jim,
Be sure the recall bulletins have been followed on your coach. I had a 2000 Intrigue (#10941) which was recalled twice--once to replace the front tires and once to replace them again and re-configure the ride height valves from one-rear and two-front to one-front and two rear. This only applies if your 2000 is an early one before they went to the 12r/22.5 tires. If you already have the larger tires or have completed the recalls, then I'm at a loss. I'm on my second coach with Toyo tires and have had zero problems with them. A local tire dealer tells me he has fewer problems with Toyo than Michellin or Goodyear.
Walt Rothermel
03Allure30811
Yahoo Message Number: 6051 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6051)
Jim,
Have 29,000 miles on current Toyo's and have had no problems!
Steve
Intrigue #10673
Yahoo Message Number: 6052 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6052)
From: "jimwmd2003" jimwmd2003@...>
last year, two in the last month. (snip) Are you the original owner? If not, the original owner may have run 'em underinflated. Or maybe you did before you had it weighed???
Dick (& Geri) Campagna
CC Intrigue/NJ
Yahoo Message Number: 6054 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6054)
Jim, It would be of interest and helpful if you included your coach number.
Also, do you have the large or small tires on your coach and in which position did the failures occur.
We have TOYO R 22.5 tires and so far no problems but have only 19000 miles recorded.
David & Karen CA.
2000 Intrigue 11062
40 ft Single slide. PT
2002 Odyssey TOAD
Yahoo Message Number: 6059 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6059)
Jim,
One thing you may want to check is the age of the tires, most people begin to have tire problems when the tires are 5 years old. Check the date code on your remaining tires, they could be older then your coach. At 5 years I intend to replace all my tires regardless of how they look.
Bill G. 2001 Magna #5998
Yahoo Message Number: 6063 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6063)
Yahoo Message Number: 6064 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6064)
Jim: I wish to communicate with you on this subject at length but will post tomorrow. We have the same concerns. I am in contact with Country Coach at this time over the subject.
Jim Green Intrigue 11021 36 foot Galley's Open
Yahoo Message Number: 6065 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6065)
Hello Jim,
Number 1, after about 30,000 miles I got rid of the Toyo tires and had two Michelens put on the steer axles. Toyo tires were wearing in very weird ways, howver, the ride improved dramaticcaly.
Have you checked with CC about a recall on the Toyo tires. MY coach is a '99 Allure and the tires were on the recall notice.
Egon
we
Yahoo Message Number: 6066 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6066)
Judging from your coach number you have the smaller tires and maybe part of the recall effort by CC.
David & Karen CA.
2000 Intrigue 11062
40 ft Single slide. PT
2002 Odyssey TOAD
Yahoo Message Number: 6069 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6069)
There are several of us Jims out here.
As stated yestarday I would contact you about the tire problem.
Last year I had a left front blowout at 65 mph on a 6 lane interstate at 5 pm on a Sunday night. The tire had been exhibiting some strange wear problems but had been declared not unusual by Les Schwab experts just a few days before it blew. The front tires are now Yakahama only because that is all I could get at the time. Damage included loss of compartment door under driver seat,a side light, ripped off fuel hose, and some paint damage due to the flying steel cords.
Like you I had the FMCA recomended experts weigh the coach. The front was within 50 lbs of each other and well under the axel rating and tire rating. The previous owner had the ride height retrofit relocation done and We received the front axel weight load revised sticker for the coach. The unit did not qualify for bigger tires under that recall.
We have 275/70R22.5.
Weighing showed the rear had quite a different story. A 1500 lb difference heavy on the driver side but still within the rating of axel and tires. Total rear weight was however only 900 lbs under axel rating. Full water, full fuel, and slightly more than normal clothes and junk.
I am , as I said in contact with CC to determine what corrective action may be taken to improve the situation, and waiting.
I do not think the Toyo tire is the problem. Tires had decient tred and still do at 50,000. Tire blew at 40,085.
We all have a lot to learn about our coaches and It will be interesting what comes of this situation.
James M. Green
Yahoo Message Number: 6070 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6070)
DAVID: I thought I was to qualify but they said no. I am curious, did you qualify for larger tires? Shortly after our numbers the were all larger.
Jim Green
Yahoo Message Number: 6071 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/6071)
Jim, My coach came with the larger R 22.5 tires. The change on the Intrigue was in the region of coach serial numbers 11034 - 11039.
To my knowledge there has been no problem with the R 22.5 tire
David & Karen CA.
2000 Intrigue 11062
40 ft Single slide. PT
2002 Odyssey TOAD
Yahoo Message Number: 8153 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/8153)
I found a great source for the Toyo Tires while traveling in the SE this past summer. Action Tires in a surburb of Atlanta. Also got a front end alignment from them and they seemed to really want to do it right. They asked me for the front end alignment specs, I gave them the books provided with the coach and basically what it says is to call CC for specs. They called and CC faxed alignment specs to Action Tire. The toe-in was really out of alignment due to the recall on the front end parts being installed and then Kenworth in Tucson failed to insure that the front end was properly aligned. This caused the front tires to wear on outside on right front tire and on the inside of the drivers side front tire. I highly recommend Action Tire in Atlanta area.
Ray
2000 Intrigue 11040
Yahoo Message Number: 8157 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/8157)
I couldn't find Action Tire on my mapping program. Could you respond with the address in Atlanta and maybe a website? I go through Atlanta frequently on the way to Florida and am approaching the time to replace my Toyos.
"I found a great source for the Toyo Tires while traveling in the SE this past summer. Action Tires in a surburb of Atlanta.
Ray
2000 Intrigue 11040"
Sincerely
George W Becker
gwb36@... (gwb36@...) 1999 Country Coach Intrigue #10700
Yahoo Message Number: 8169 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/8169)
Action has several locations in the Atlanta but the one I used is:
ACTION TIRE
559 LEE INDUSTRIAL BLVD.
AUSTELL, GA 30168 Tel: (770) 732-1108
Truck/Bus Radials
Road Service
Night Service
Jason was the service manager with whom I spoke with. I called him on the phone and told him what I needed and he had the tire waiting for me when I arrived. They did the work very quickly and I felt the price was fair. I think Toyo has a distribution center in the Atlanta area.
If you go to www.toyo.com and use the FIND A DEALER drop down menu then you can search by zip code to find a nearby dealer.
Ray
2000 Intrigue 11040
respond with
frequently
Toyos.
Yahoo Message Number: 8895 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/8895)
What is the Date Code on Them ????? Lee in Portland
Yahoo Message Number: 10541 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10541)
I just replaced my old Michelin 255 80R 22.5 rear tires with Toyo 265 75R 22.5's, to match the fronts that CCI recently put on. The sidewalls of the Toyos seem to run very hot to the touch....and I mean hot enough where you don't want to keep your hand on it. I didn't notice that much heat with the Michelins. Also, they seem wander much more than the Michelins. Pressure are 110 psi on the fronts and 95 psi on the rears. Anyone else having the same experience. I wonder if this is the difference between a $234 tire vs. a $400+ tire?
Mike
'95 Intrigue 10061
Yahoo Message Number: 10542 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10542)
Mike, I just had 6 Toyo tires installed, I had 315/80R/22.5 on front and 12R/22.5 rear. I had 110psi front and 100psi rear. After one hour of driving I felt the side walls and noticed no abnormal temp. Smart tire read in the normal range as well.
I did notice a little wandering but was only waging the tire pressure and the weight at the time.
I removed 5 year old Toyo of the same size and noticed no wandering prior to change, I think the coach may have been loaded differently as both gray and Black tanks were reaching full. [Had been dry camping] I usually don't drive with these tanks full.
All of that and probably didn't help you a bit.
Larry
'99 Affinity
Yahoo Message Number: 10546 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10546)
Mike,
I replaced my Toyo's on the front after two years of wandering all over the road. Also had very odd wearing pattern. Put Michelens on the front and had the coach alligned by the tire guy that comes to Buddy Gregg and does all of their tire work. In 2003 got 6 Toyos because of the tire recall by CC and switched the Toyos for 4 Michelens and had the guy put them on even switching my older front tires to the back. Wandering-- coach no more --myself, well wondering where I will be going next.
Egon
tire
Yahoo Message Number: 10551 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10551)
-Mike,
I replaced all rear tires in 2002 and both fronts in 2003. In my case the rears would not hold air and the fronts were showing an "underinflated" wear pattern but i kept air pressure at 110psi, which is where they need to be. I used Goodyears all the way around and you won't believe how much more stable and smooth the Goodyears are. My main reason i used Goodyear was i ran a manufacting plant w/medium duty trucks and had best results w/ Goodyear. I had approx.
35000 miles when I repaced the rears.
Larry
1998 intrigue 10559
Yahoo Message Number: 10555 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10555)
Nope, have run the Toyo's for two years vs old michelins for six months. Noticed no difference. Doesn't mean there isn't any, just am not aware of one.
Dean
The
tire
Yahoo Message Number: 10642 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10642)
My 98 Allure required 105lbs in the rear to reduce the wandering. 36' 98 Allure TWI
Yahoo Message Number: 10644 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10644)
I have Continentals in the front, Toyos on the rear. Continentals at 110 psi, Toyos at 100 psi. Sure don't have any wandering, this coach goes right where I point it. Maybe you need to check your load weight and distribution, or possibly alignment.
Dan
Allure #30180
36' 98
Yahoo Message Number: 10646 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10646)
I have Bridgestones all around. The smart tire indicates high (160 degrees) for the inside drivers dual tire. The outside dual runs about 15 degrees cooler as do the front and passenger side duals. Is this normal for this tire to run hotter than the others? I carry 112-115 Lbs. in the front and 110 lbs in the duals. This is on a 40 ft. 2000, Allure.
John
Yahoo Message Number: 10647 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10647)
I would estimate that that is about what my Toyos run. The inner dual was slightly warmer that the others.
Mike
95 Intrigue 10061
Yahoo Message Number: 10648 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10648)
Just had the alignment done a few weeks ago. It was toe in 3/4 inch and was scalping the tires. Much better now. I am pretty sure that the weight is okay. I really don't have anything too heavy under there. I am going to check the tires again. Probably set fronts at 110 and rears at 100, like yours.
Thanks,
Mike
'95 Intrigue 10061
wandering.
Yahoo Message Number: 10661 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10661)
I have worked with Les Schwab in JC on the inside rear tire hig temp readings several times. They tell me the problem is the iside rear tires are mounted on steel rim and are next to the brake drums which results in a heat transfer from the brakes to the steel rims which the SmartTire transmiter is attached to. Therefore we get these high tep readings on the inside rear tires when the tire temperatures may be just fine. I asked Les Schwab if the temperature parameter for the inside rear tires could be changed to eliminate what appears to be false alarms on thos tire temps. Their answer was no in can't be done and if it could be done you probably wouldn't want to do it anyway.
Ed Knodle
Allure 2001
30613
Yahoo Message Number: 10664 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/10664)
From: "jsteverding04" jsteverding04@...>
(160 degrees) for the inside drivers dual tire. The outside dual runs about 15 degrees cooler as do the front and passenger side duals. Is this normal for this tire to run hotter than the others? I carry 112-115 Lbs. in the front and 110 lbs in the duals. This is on a 40 ft. 2000, Allure.
I shoot my coach and toad tires with my Raytek MiniTemp infrared thermometer whenever we stop for fuel, lunch, etc. And the inside duallies are almost always hotter than the outside duallies.
Dick (& Geri) Campagna
'98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97