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Title: Leaking Slides
Post by: Donald Seager_01 on April 11, 2005, 02:49:03 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16151 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16151)
Hi,

I have had an ongoing problem with leaking slides on the driver's side of my 2004 Allure. The leak is somewhere in the roof of the slide and not at the membranes. It runs in and drops onto the floor off the lower corner of the wood trim on each side of the bed. The leak moves in with slide and appears to leak even with the slide all the way in. The living room slide leaked just once. This happened just before I had a scheduled appointment at Lazydays for some warrantee work. Oddly one of the things to be done was to do the recall that called to have a stainless steel shield install to prevent leaks. I was stunned to find that it was for the galley side on the rider's side and had nothing to do with my problem. Lazydays worked on both slides and we thought that the problem was solved. The living room slide no longer leaks but the bedroom still leaks. Has anyone had any similar problems with the triple slide 2004 Allure?

Don & Mary Seager

40ft 2004 Allure 31046
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: Paulkthomas on April 11, 2005, 06:29:35 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16157 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16157)
Hi,

If the source of your leak was like the one on our '03 Magna LR slide, water enters the slide room crosswall, flows down the inside of the wall and then drips onto the floor beneath the crosswall. Typically water would collect in this wall from a heavy rainstorm while the room was extended. Evidence of the leak was most evident after pulling into a new campground and extending the wall. I would find a small puddle of water on the floor space that is covered by the inboard end of the crosswall when the room is retracted. The source of the leak turned out to be a poor seal between the SR roof and exterior crosswall panels. Heavy rain pools water on top of the SR roof panel.
That's expected, but it can make its way to the end of the roof panel, through the break in the seal and down into the crosswall.
I suggest looking for signs of moisture on the crosswall -- fabric or wall covering stains or blisters. We were at Lazy Days for about a week for moisture damage repairs and were very pleased with their repair work and for taking our side with CC Warranty on replacement issues. Note: CC techs looked at this problem several months before LD, but they advised us to "bump" the SR in when retracting it to avoid wiping water from the roof/awning into the coach.

Paul Thomas
'03 Magna #6239

Quote from: donald_seager
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: Donald Seager_01 on April 12, 2005, 09:00:39 am
Yahoo Message Number: 16168 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16168)
Hi,

Our problem does sounda a lot like your Magna. In our case there is no sign of staining or water damage anywhere at least that I can see. It starts to leak a short time after it starts to rain and stops a period after it stops. We do not get the leak any other time and if it is a light rain it may not leak. When it initialy started months ago I climbed up and checked the slide. There was a puddle on the slide roof under the awning and I dyed it with red food coloring and sure enough the drip turned red so I know it is coming from that puddle and is seeping in through the joint between the outer wall and the roof. The problem is how do you stop it. Lazydays spent a lot of time making sure all of the screws were sealed etc. but they failed. You mantioned repairing the damage but didn't say how they stopped the leak. Burping the slide is to get as much of the water off the awning over the slide to help prevent that waterfall down the side just as the slide closes.

Thanks very much for your reply.

Don and Mary Seager
2004 Allure 31046

Quote from: paulkthomas
Hi,

If the source of your leak was like the one on our '03 Magna LR

slide,

Quote
water enters the slide room crosswall, flows down the inside of the > wall and then drips onto the floor beneath the crosswall.

Typically

Quote
water would collect in this wall from a heavy rainstorm while the

room

Quote
was extended. Evidence of the leak was most evident after pulling > into a new campground and extending the wall. I would find a small > puddle of water on the floor space that is covered by the inboard

end

Quote
of the crosswall when the room is retracted. The source of the

leak

Quote
turned out to be a poor seal between the SR roof and exterior > crosswall panels. Heavy rain pools water on top of the SR roof

panel.

Quote
That's expected, but it can make its way to the end of the roof > panel, through the break in the seal and down into the crosswall.

I suggest looking for signs of moisture on the crosswall -- fabric

or

Quote
wall covering stains or blisters. We were at Lazy Days for about

a

Quote
week for moisture damage repairs and were very pleased with their > repair work and for taking our side with CC Warranty on replacement > issues. Note: CC techs looked at this problem several months

before

Quote
LD, but they advised us to "bump" the SR in when retracting it to > avoid wiping water from the roof/awning into the coach.

Paul Thomas
'03 Magna #6239

[quote author=donald_seager"

>
> Hi,
>

> I have had an ongoing problem with leaking slides on the
driver's side

Quote
of my 2004 Allure. The leak is somewhere in the roof of the

slide and

Quote
not at the membranes. It runs in and drops onto the floor off

the lower

Quote
corner of the wood trim on each side of the bed. The leak moves

in with

Quote
slide and appears to leak even with the slide all the way in.

The

Quote
living room slide leaked just once. This happened just before I

had a

Quote
scheduled appointment at Lazydays for some warrantee work. Oddly

one of

Quote
the things to be done was to do the recall that called to have a > > stainless steel shield install to prevent leaks. I was stunned

to find

Quote
that it was for the galley side on the rider's side and had

nothing to

Quote
do with my problem. Lazydays worked on both slides and we

thought that

Quote
the problem was solved. The living room slide no longer leaks

but the

Quote
bedroom still leaks. Has anyone had any similar problems with

the
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: GLS9775@aol Com on April 12, 2005, 10:25:09 am
Yahoo Message Number: 16172 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16172)
John and Mary - We had the same problem on our 2002 Intrigue. It was fixed under warranty by repairing the "Sika-flex" caulk joint where the slide roof meets the inside of the slide wall. In our case there was about an 18" crack in the sealant. This repair requires the slide awning to be unwound and placed on top of the roof in order to access the work area. I hope your problem is as easy to repair as ours was.

Gary Stanton
Coach 11467
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: John_Bicknas on April 12, 2005, 11:24:36 am
Yahoo Message Number: 16176 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16176)
I had a leak in my great slide that I dealt with for two years. It would only leak when the slide was extented. I finally took the coach to a local RV repair shop that advertised and uses a system called "SealTec". They found exactly where the slide leaked and fixed it the first time. We were at Moultrie and Perry and had no problems with leaks. You may want to ensure, whoever you take it to has a method for determining exactly where the leak is coming from.

John Bicknas
97 Magna 5416
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: Paulkthomas on April 12, 2005, 03:26:38 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16177 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16177)
Don,

The leak at our LR Slide crosswall was fixed by resealing the joint between the SR roof panel and the forward crosswall's exterior panel.
It took two service visits to get it done successfully. The techs said access to the innermost end of the joint is very limited, even after the awning is removed, and its easy to NOT get a good seal there.

Paul Thomas

Quote from: donald_seager
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: Donald Seager_01 on April 12, 2005, 04:29:06 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16178 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16178)
Hi Paul and all who responded to my question,
I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one that has suffered from a leaking slide. I chose Paul to address this reply because I need some clarifacation of terms for me to get the whole picture.
By 'crosswall' do you mean the outside wall of the slide that runs parallel to the length of the coach or the two outside walls that run perpendicular to the couch. Unsure of which wall you meant, I couldn't quite picture where the innner most end of the joint was and why it would be difficult to reach.

Because I am pretty sure that any repair will need to have the awning removed, I think that I will take it an RV dealer. I don't like messing around with those awning springs myself. We are curently at the Alligator River National Wildlife refuge about 20 miles west of Nags Head on the Outer Banks. There is a shop about 85 miles away in Washington NC that is willing to try but he doen't do much with large motor homes. Therefore I am very grateful for all of your inputs as the more ideas I come to him with the better it will go. He has 12ft bay doors so we need to wait for warmer weather and no rain if that ever happens around here this year. Gentle rain here this afternoon and 45 degrees. No leaks yet but it seems to take a heavy rain with some wind involved.

Thanks again all and I will lets you know how things go.

Don & Mary Seager
Allure 2004 31046

Quote from: paulkthomas
Don,
> The leak at our LR Slide crosswall was fixed by resealing the joint > between the SR roof panel and the forward crosswall's exterior

panel.

Quote
It took two service visits to get it done successfully. The

techs

Quote
said access to the innermost end of the joint is very limited, even > after the awning is removed, and its easy to NOT get a good seal

there.

Quote
Paul Thomas

[quote author=donald_seager"

>
> Hi,
>

> Our problem does sounda a lot like your Magna. In our case there

is

Quote
no sign of staining or water damage anywhere at least that I can > > see. It starts to leak a short time after it starts to rain and > > stops a period after it stops. We do not get the leak any other

time

Quote
and if it is a light rain it may not leak. When it initialy

started

Quote
months ago I climbed up and checked the slide. There was a

puddle on

Quote
the slide roof under the awning and I dyed it with red food

coloring

Quote
and sure enough the drip turned red so I know it is coming from

that

Quote
puddle and is seeping in through the joint between the outer

wall

Quote
and the roof. The problem is how do you stop it. Lazydays spent

a

Quote
lot of time making sure all of the screws were sealed etc. but

they

Quote
failed. You mantioned repairing the damage but didn't say how

they

Quote
stopped the leak. Burping the slide is to get as much of the

water

Quote
off the awning over the slide to help prevent that waterfall

down

Quote
the side just as the slide closes.
>

> Thanks very much for your reply.
>

> Don and Mary Seager
> 2004 Allure 31046
>
>

[quote author=paulkthomas"
>]
> >
> > Hi,
> >

> > If the source of your leak was like the one on our '03 Magna

LR

Quote
slide,

> > water enters the slide room crosswall, flows down the inside

of the

Quote
> wall and then drips onto the floor beneath the crosswall.
> Typically

> > water would collect in this wall from a heavy rainstorm while

the

Quote
room

> > was extended. Evidence of the leak was most evident after

pulling

Quote
> into a new campground and extending the wall. I would find a

small

Quote
> puddle of water on the floor space that is covered by the

inboard

Quote
end

> > of the crosswall when the room is retracted. The source of

the

Quote
leak

> > turned out to be a poor seal between the SR roof and exterior > > > crosswall panels. Heavy rain pools water on top of the SR

roof

Quote
panel.

> > That's expected, but it can make its way to the end of the

roof

Quote
> panel, through the break in the seal and down into the

crosswall.

Quote
>

> > I suggest looking for signs of moisture on the crosswall --

fabric

Quote
or

> > wall covering stains or blisters. We were at Lazy Days for

about

Quote
a

> > week for moisture damage repairs and were very pleased with

their

Quote
> repair work and for taking our side with CC Warranty on

replacement

Quote
> issues. Note: CC techs looked at this problem several months > > before

> > LD, but they advised us to "bump" the SR in when retracting it

to

Quote
> avoid wiping water from the roof/awning into the coach.
> >

> > Paul Thomas
> > '03 Magna #6239
> >
> >

[quote author=donald_seager"
> >]
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >

> > > I have had an ongoing problem with leaking slides on the > > driver's side

> > > of my 2004 Allure. The leak is somewhere in the roof of the > > slide and

> > > not at the membranes. It runs in and drops onto the floor

off

Quote
the lower

> > > corner of the wood trim on each side of the bed. The leak

moves

Quote
in with

> > > slide and appears to leak even with the slide all the way

in.

Quote
The

> > > living room slide leaked just once. This happened just

before I

Quote
had a

> > > scheduled appointment at Lazydays for some warrantee work.

Oddly

Quote
one of

> > > the things to be done was to do the recall that called to

have a

Quote
> > stainless steel shield install to prevent leaks. I was

stunned

Quote
to find

> > > that it was for the galley side on the rider's side and had > > nothing to

> > > do with my problem. Lazydays worked on both slides and we > > thought that

> > > the problem was solved. The living room slide no longer

leaks

Quote
but the

> > > bedroom still leaks. Has anyone had any similar problems

with
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: Paulkthomas on April 13, 2005, 12:03:42 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16203 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16203)
Hi Don,

By "crosswall", I was trying to identify the short ~18" SR wall that is perpendicular to the SR wall that runs parallel to the length of the coach.

Viewing our extended driver's side (LR) slideroom from a point just outside the driver's side window, the exterior joint that was resealed is at the top of the forward end of the room, where this crosswall meets the SR roof panel. A piece of corner trim covers this ~18" long joint. The sealant must be pushed/oozed/fingered (whatever) to close any spaces for water entry between the metal surfaces of the corner trim and the surfaces of the roof and side panels.

With the SR fully extended, this exterior joint is not fully exposed, but extends into the coach some, and (if I remember correctly) the inboard end of it is partially covered by the rubber seals. Anyway, I guess it takes skill and small dexterous hands and fingers to successfully reseal the inboard end of this joint.

Hope this helps,

Paul Thomas
'03 Magna #6239

Quote from: donald_seager
>

Hi Paul and all who responded to my question, >

I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one that has suffered from

a

Quote
leaking slide. I chose Paul to address this reply because I need > some clarifacation of terms for me to get the whole picture.
By 'crosswall' do you mean the outside wall of the slide that runs > parallel to the length of the coach or the two outside walls that > run perpendicular to the couch. Unsure of which wall you meant, I > couldn't quite picture where the innner most end of the joint was > and why it would be difficult to reach.

Because I am pretty sure that any repair will need to have the > awning removed, I think that I will take it an RV dealer. I don't > like messing around with those awning springs myself. We are > curently at the Alligator River National Wildlife refuge about 20 > miles west of Nags Head on the Outer Banks. There is a shop about

85

Quote
miles away in Washington NC that is willing to try but he doen't

do

Quote
much with large motor homes. Therefore I am very grateful for all

of

Quote
your inputs as the more ideas I come to him with the better it

will

Quote
go. He has 12ft bay doors so we need to wait for warmer weather

and

Quote
no rain if that ever happens around here this year. Gentle rain

here

Quote
this afternoon and 45 degrees. No leaks yet but it seems to take a > heavy rain with some wind involved.

Thanks again all and I will lets you know how things go.

Don & Mary Seager
Allure 2004 31046

[quote author=paulkthomas"

>

> Don,
>

> The leak at our LR Slide crosswall was fixed by resealing the

joint

Quote
between the SR roof panel and the forward crosswall's exterior > panel.

> It took two service visits to get it done successfully. The > techs

> said access to the innermost end of the joint is very limited,

even
Title: Re: Leaking Slides
Post by: Donald Seager_01 on April 13, 2005, 01:16:22 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16204 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16204)
Hi Paul,

Got it now. I don't have any 18in slides on the 2004. The living room is a 32" the galley is a 20" and the leaky beroom is a 24". All of these sldes set well below the ceiling and the portion you spoke of being hard to reach could be reached inside the coach by bringing in the slide. Of course you would have to let the outside reseal set first before moving the slide in. Something must be different with you slides that I am not seeing. Anyway after much playing around with hose generated rain and puddles along with red dye, I am convinced that ours is leaking along the roof joint with the outer wall of the slide that runs parallel to the length of the coach.

We bought two of our coaches at Lazydays and are very happy with them. However it is not in the cards to get down there right now especially since they had two cracks at it in Jan and failed. I'm not upset as I know that leaks can be a pain to locate. It is only the awning removal that is stopping me from tackling it myself.

I would be more concerned but I can find no evidence of any water damage anywhere in that bedroom.

Thanks for all of your help,

Don & Mary Seager
2004 Allure 31046

Quote from: paulkthomas
Hi Don,

By "crosswall", I was trying to identify the short ~18" SR wall

that

Quote
is perpendicular to the SR wall that runs parallel to the length

of

Quote
the coach.

Viewing our extended driver's side (LR) slideroom from a point

just

Quote
outside the driver's side window, the exterior joint that was > resealed is at the top of the forward end of the room, where this > crosswall meets the SR roof panel. A piece of corner trim covers > this ~18" long joint. The sealant must be pushed/oozed/fingered > (whatever) to close any spaces for water entry between the metal > surfaces of the corner trim and the surfaces of the roof and side > panels.

With the SR fully extended, this exterior joint is not fully > exposed, but extends into the coach some, and (if I remember > correctly) the inboard end of it is partially covered by the

rubber

Quote
seals. Anyway, I guess it takes skill and small dexterous hands

and

Quote
fingers to successfully reseal the inboard end of this joint.

Hope this helps,

Paul Thomas
'03 Magna #6239

[quote author=donald_seager"

>

> Hi Paul and all who responded to my question, > >

> I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one that has suffered

from

Quote
a

> leaking slide. I chose Paul to address this reply because I need > > some clarifacation of terms for me to get the whole picture.
> By 'crosswall' do you mean the outside wall of the slide that

runs

Quote
parallel to the length of the coach or the two outside walls

that

Quote
run perpendicular to the couch. Unsure of which wall you meant,

I

Quote
couldn't quite picture where the innner most end of the joint

was

Quote
and why it would be difficult to reach.
>

> Because I am pretty sure that any repair will need to have the > > awning removed, I think that I will take it an RV dealer. I

don't

Quote
like messing around with those awning springs myself. We are > > curently at the Alligator River National Wildlife refuge about

20

Quote
miles west of Nags Head on the Outer Banks. There is a shop

about

Quote
85

> miles away in Washington NC that is willing to try but he doen't > do

> much with large motor homes. Therefore I am very grateful for

all

Quote
of

> your inputs as the more ideas I come to him with the better it > will

> go. He has 12ft bay doors so we need to wait for warmer weather > and

> no rain if that ever happens around here this year. Gentle rain > here

> this afternoon and 45 degrees. No leaks yet but it seems to take

a

Quote
heavy rain with some wind involved.
>

> Thanks again all and I will lets you know how things go.
>

> Don & Mary Seager
> Allure 2004 31046
>
>
>

[quote author=paulkthomas"
>]
> >

> > Don,
> >

> > The leak at our LR Slide crosswall was fixed by resealing the > joint

> > between the SR roof panel and the forward crosswall's exterior > > panel.

> > It took two service visits to get it done successfully. The > > techs

> > said access to the innermost end of the joint is very limited, > even

> > after the awning is removed, and its easy to NOT get a good

seal