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Title: Toyo tires ...
Post by: John Keene on May 30, 2005, 04:41:31 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16702 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16702)
My neighbor here in Polk City (Inspire owner) said that CC is no longer using Toyo tires, they are going with Goodyear. I always thought Toyo tire were the cats ... uhhh ... butt.

What's up here ... ??? Should I be snooping for new Goodyear tires while waiting for my next 'service bulletin' ????

John

2005 Affinity #6453
Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Lyle Wetherholt on May 30, 2005, 04:59:23 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16703 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16703)
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John,

Before you get too excited over one tire brand vs. another at the factory you might want to know what the purchase deal was that the factory negotiated. My guess is that GY is out to make a name for itself with the new RV tires and made a deal CC couldn't pass up.
Somehow I just don't think the first and only motive by the CC folks was the best interest of the coach buyer. That's not a slam at CC.
Its just that if there is not an appreciable difference between Toyo and GY then CC will, and should, go with the best deal. Capitalism still rules.

Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740
Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: John Keene on May 30, 2005, 06:11:15 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16704 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16704)
That's pretty much what I was thinking. I have not had any troubs with my Toyos but do not have that many miles on them. Never heard any signifigant whining ...

Just curious if something was cooking that I missed.

Thanks ...
John

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John,

Before you get too excited over one tire brand vs. another at the > factory you might want to know what the purchase deal was that the > factory negotiated. My guess is that GY is out to make a name for > itself with the new RV tires and made a deal CC couldn't pass up.
Somehow I just don't think the first and only motive by the CC folks > was the best interest of the coach buyer. That's not a slam at CC.
Its just that if there is not an appreciable difference between Toyo > and GY then CC will, and should, go with the best deal. Capitalism > still rules.
Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

> My neighbor here in Polk City (Inspire owner) said that CC is no

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using Toyo tires, they are going with Goodyear. I always thought

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> What's up here ... ??? Should I be snooping for new Goodyear

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Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Bob Stephens on May 30, 2005, 08:36:46 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16705 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16705)
We did the factory tour on May 11th and saw some axle assemblies with Toyo tires and some with Goodyear. The guy that gave the tour said it was a supply deal. I agree with Lyle, I think CC got a better deal from Goodyear. I've never heard of a problem with Toyo tires.

Bob

'05 Intrigue LE #11872

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My neighbor here in Polk City (Inspire owner) said that CC is no

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using Toyo tires, they are going with Goodyear. I always thought

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Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Richard Stearns on May 31, 2005, 11:27:45 am
Yahoo Message Number: 16710 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16710)
I asked this question when we were in JC for a maintenance stop in April, John...twice:

Once when we took the factory tour and noticed Goodyear tires on the axels, and a couple

days later when we had Les Schawb rotate our five-year old Toyos.
Their answer was the

same: Toyo hasn't been able to keep up with demand, and Goodyear, seeing a nitch

opportunity, presented an offor CC found hard to refuse.

We were prepared to swap out our Toyos since we thought they were approaching the

replacement cycle, but Les Schawb said they wouldn't recommend replacement sooner

than 7 years unless they were worn due to mileage or showed UVA damage. Ours didn't,

so we're good to go another two years. We'll probably go with Toyos unless things change.
Dick

Allure #30519

Quote from: John Keene
That's pretty much what I was thinking. I have not had any troubs > with my Toyos but do not have that many miles on them. Never heard > any signifigant whining ...

Just curious if something was cooking that I missed.

Thanks ...

John

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> John,

> Before you get too excited over one tire brand vs. another at the > > factory you might want to know what the purchase deal was that the > > factory negotiated. My guess is that GY is out to make a name for > > itself with the new RV tires and made a deal CC couldn't pass up.
> Somehow I just don't think the first and only motive by the CC

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was the best interest of the coach buyer. That's not a slam at

CC.

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Its just that if there is not an appreciable difference between

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and GY then CC will, and should, go with the best deal. Capitalism > > still rules.
> Lyle Wetherholt
> 04 Intrigue 11740

> > My neighbor here in Polk City (Inspire owner) said that CC is

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Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Bill Gabler on May 31, 2005, 01:57:29 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16714 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16714)
It's about time we got rid of the Toyos. Most coach manufacturers got rid of them several years ago. They ride hard and the edge wears out faster then other brands. Several years ago toyo went to a more angled edge but that did helpa little. CCI replaced my front Toyos on our 01 Mag at 10k miles with Michelens and they looked great when we traded at 47,000 miles. Toyo's were made for dump trucks not RVs.
When we purchased our 05 Mag CC wanted $2500 extras for Michelens so we still have Toyo's.

Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425
Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Bjorklund1395 on May 31, 2005, 02:08:16 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16716 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16716)
Same with me - I vote to get rid of the Toyo's. When I purchased my 05 Magna the price was $2500 to "upgrade" to Michilen. When they found that the wheels were already on the chassis, the price jumped to $3700 to swap them out. After PDI I went to Diekman and they recommended that I come back in a "few years" as I would be wasting my money to swap out on an aftermarket basis. So- I still have the Toyo's too. Next set though!

Hal 05Magna6477
Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Richard Aquino on May 31, 2005, 03:56:09 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16719 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16719)
Just FYI.

I replaced my tires with Michelin only because my dealer could not get me TOYO's in a reasonable time frame but I did get great service out of the TOYO's and would have put them back on.
I went with the 12R22.5 XZE 16PR at about $3k. These are truck tires but I would think any tire this size would be a "truck tire" and our local fire department uses them.

To start I had 110 lbs. put in the rear and 115 lbs. in the front. I had the coach weighted by RvSafty.org when they were in town and after talking with the Michelin Tech. rep. I decided to run 95 in the front and 90 in the rear. He did give me the lecture on why it is just as bad to run too high a pressure as with too low. His recomendation the chart was 5 lbs less in each but I was not comfortable with that low of a pressure.
I did have a problem getting the tires in balance and thus had Equal put in each of them. I may have not given the tires enough time to settle in before adding the Equal, only had about 500 miles on them, but I could tell I was not going to like the way the tires acted so decided to have the Equal put in. I have no interest in or represent Equal; I only wanted tires that are in balance.

I have about 5000 miles on them now and although I at times get a little vibration at 64-65 MPH I am very safisfied with the ride. I think this has more to do with the low pressure than anything else.
From day one I could tell that the TOYO's had more rubber on the road than the Michelin's; I think the TOYO's may have been a wider tire.

Not looking to start a debate on Mfg. vs Mfg. or tire pressure. I just wanted to share with the group what I am experiencing.

Richard Aquino
2001 Intrigue
Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Larry F on May 31, 2005, 04:34:03 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16722 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16722)
Richard

Have you noticed if the lower tire pressure has effected your gas mileage much? I'm running 110 in the front and 100 in the rear with my Toyos and thought about reducing them a little. Thanks.

Larry, Debbie, Tiki and Tomi (Pugs) USAF Retired

2003 Allure #30856

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> Just FYI.

I replaced my tires with Michelin only because my dealer could not > get me TOYO's in a reasonable time frame but I did get great

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out of the TOYO's and would have put them back on.

I went with the 12R22.5 XZE 16PR at about $3k. These are truck

tires

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but I would think any tire this size would be a "truck tire" and

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local fire department uses them.

To start I had 110 lbs. put in the rear and 115 lbs. in the front.

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had the coach weighted by RvSafty.org when they were in town and > after talking with the Michelin Tech. rep. I decided to run 95 in > the front and 90 in the rear. He did give me the lecture on why it > is just as bad to run too high a pressure as with too low. His > recomendation the chart was 5 lbs less in each but I was not > comfortable with that low of a pressure.

I did have a problem getting the tires in balance and thus had

Equal
Title: Re: Toyo tires ...
Post by: Richard Aquino on May 31, 2005, 05:11:23 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 16725 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/16725)
Over the last 5000 miles or so, since the new tires, I think my MPG may be off a bit but I still get about 8.5 which is about what I have always seen and I don't go over 65mph. I think the last fillup was 8.3. We run east of the Mississippi most of the time so our travels are fairly flat or the east coast mountains. BTW, I have the 370 and Silverleaf. I ran my Toyos at 115 and 110 which I thought was a bit high but that was what was recommended. I do check my pressure every day we travel and adjust as required with a compressor I carry with me.

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> Richard

Have you noticed if the lower tire pressure has effected your gas > mileage much? I'm running 110 in the front and 100 in the rear

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my Toyos and thought about reducing them a little. Thanks.

Larry, Debbie, Tiki and Tomi (Pugs) > USAF Retired

2003 Allure #30856

[quote author=Richard Aquino"

> Just FYI.
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> I replaced my tires with Michelin only because my dealer could

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get me TOYO's in a reasonable time frame but I did get great > service

> out of the TOYO's and would have put them back on.
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> I went with the 12R22.5 XZE 16PR at about $3k. These are truck > tires

> but I would think any tire this size would be a "truck tire" and > our

> local fire department uses them.
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> To start I had 110 lbs. put in the rear and 115 lbs. in the

front.

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> had the coach weighted by RvSafty.org when they were in town and > > after talking with the Michelin Tech. rep. I decided to run 95

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the front and 90 in the rear. He did give me the lecture on why

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is just as bad to run too high a pressure as with too low. His > > recomendation the chart was 5 lbs less in each but I was not > > comfortable with that low of a pressure.
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> I did have a problem getting the tires in balance and thus had > Equal

> put in each of them. I may have not given the tires enough time

to

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settle in before adding the Equal, only had about 500 miles on > > them, but I could tell I was not going to like the way the

tires

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acted so decided to have the Equal put in. I have no interest in

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represent Equal; I only wanted tires that are in balance.
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> I have about 5000 miles on them now and although I at times get

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little vibration at 64-65 MPH I am very safisfied with the ride.

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think this has more to do with the low pressure than anything

else.

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From day one I could tell that the TOYO's had more rubber on the > > road than the Michelin's; I think the TOYO's may have been a

wider

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tire.
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> Not looking to start a debate on Mfg. vs Mfg. or tire pressure.

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