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Title: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Jjakenancy on October 19, 2005, 06:33:17 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18865 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18865)I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the electrical system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated while driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel with grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are thousands of the same modifications out there. Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit shuts off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory check the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and found that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV shuts down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the TV circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine wave unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave units. My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem. I have changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory and it still has the same problem. Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Kary993 on October 19, 2005, 06:58:39 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18866 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18866)We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv in the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid the tv lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow?
Kary
05 Inspire 36' #51499
Quote from: jjakenancy
> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the electrical > system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated
while
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driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel with > grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are
thousands
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of the same modifications out there. Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit
shuts
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off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory
check
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the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and
found
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that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV
shuts
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down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the TV > circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine wave > unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave units. My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem. I
have
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Fred Kovol_01 on October 19, 2005, 08:18:53 pm
The only way you can tell if your inverter is over voltaging is to use an oscilloscope to observe the waveshape and its magnitude. The peaks run about 160 volts. I have posted a detailed writeup about 2 years ago. Using a normal digital multimeter which is not a true rms meter, the voltage will read about 104 vac. A true rms meter will read somewhere between 117 and 122 vac. New scopes give a true rms digital reading in addition to displaying the waveshape. Fred Kovol
Quote from: jjakenancy
> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the electrical > system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated
while
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driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel with > grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are thousands > of the same modifications out there. Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit
shuts
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off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory
check
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the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and found > that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV
shuts
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down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the TV > circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine wave > unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave units. My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem. I
have
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Jjakenancy on October 19, 2005, 08:29:28 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18868 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18868)I had the CC factory technicians check all of the circuitry and it is working fine. I don't want to have the grandkids in the rear without seat belts, too risky. I have modified this in my past coaches (5) with no difficulty.
Quote from: kary993"
We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv
in
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the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid the
tv
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lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow? >
Kary
05 Inspire 36' #51499
[quote author=jjakenancy"
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> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the
electrical
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system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated > while
> driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel
with
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grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are > thousands
> of the same modifications out there. > Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit > shuts
> off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory > check
> the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and > found
> that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV > shuts
> down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the
TV
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circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine
wave
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unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave
units.
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My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem.
I
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have
> changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory and
it
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Jake on October 19, 2005, 08:31:19 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18869 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18869)The CC factory tech's did that and it was over voltage spikes that are causing the TV to shut down. Any HD type TV is very sensitive to voltage spikes. According to the Panasonic technical unit, this TV is not supposed to be used with a modified sine wave inverter. This appears to be the problem.
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Jjakenancy on October 19, 2005, 08:34:51 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18870 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18870)What do you do for seat belts in the rear??
Quote from: kary993"
We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv
in
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the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid the
tv
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lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow? >
Kary
05 Inspire 36' #51499
[quote author=jjakenancy"
>
> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the
electrical
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system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated > while
> driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel
with
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grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are > thousands
> of the same modifications out there. > Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit > shuts
> off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory > check
> the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and > found
> that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV > shuts
> down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the
TV
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circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine
wave
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unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave
units.
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My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem.
I
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have
> changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory and
it
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Lyle Wetherholt on October 19, 2005, 08:37:31 pm
I met a fellow at the class reunion that had the same problem. He had disabled his front TV by cutting or disconnecting the 12vdc lead into the lock out box and it worked fine for about 3-4 hours. Sounds like that's you!!! Hi. I thought you had figured that the 120V through the lock out relay was the problem and that you got it fixed. What happened?
Your class reunion neighbor
Lyle Wetherholt 04 Intrigue 11740
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Kary993 on October 19, 2005, 08:57:50 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18874 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18874)This is a difficult discussion....should you have the TV on in the front while driving (you never look at the tv while driving right?) or should the kids (or any people) stay in the back without seat belts? None of us actually walk back and make a sandwich or go to bathroom while traveling, right?
I am sure folks will point out many stories about people not buckled in that have had grave consequences, but if that is the issue it seems there are greater issues to deal with other than if someone is buckled or not in these situations given the large size of these beasts.
Quote from: jjakenancy
What do you do for seat belts in the rear??
Quote from: kary993"
>
> We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv > in
> the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid
the
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tv
> lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow? > >
> Kary
> 05 Inspire 36' > #51499 > > >
[quote author=jjakenancy" >] > >
> > I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the > electrical
> > system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated > > while
> > driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel > with
> > grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > > > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are > > thousands
> > of the same modifications out there. > > Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32"
unit
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shuts
> > off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts
down
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> varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory > > check
> > the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and > > found
> > that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the
TV
Quote
shuts
> > down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the > TV
> > circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine > wave
> > unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave > units.
> > My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem. I
> have
> > changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory
and
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Jake on October 19, 2005, 10:09:38 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18875 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18875)That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we finally found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They agreed that it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, couldn't put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got it installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts. Thanks for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Fred Kovol_01 on October 20, 2005, 12:27:55 am
Consider two approaches. 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter. 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the more expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use them extensively. Click on these links: http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm (http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm) http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm (http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm) They may be your best bet. Fred Kovol
Quote from: Jake
That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we finally
found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They agreed that it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, couldn't put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got it installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts. Thanks for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: John on October 20, 2005, 07:33:05 am
Yahoo Message Number: 18877 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18877)A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that will trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage conditions. Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.
You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units on our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will tolerate short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if you want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I could ship to you to try (you pay shipping).
This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing of the inverter mfg before adding anything however.
Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ????
John and Terry 2005 Affinity
Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Jake,
Consider two approaches.
1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter. 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the more > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use
them
Quote
extensively. Click on these links: > >http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm (http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm) > >http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm (http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm) >
They may be your best bet. Fred Kovol
Quote from: Jake"[/quote
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>] >
> That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we
finally
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found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They agreed
that
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it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer,
couldn't
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put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got it > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts.
Thanks
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for writing and hope to see you at the next rally. >
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Jjakenancy on October 20, 2005, 11:43:03 am
Yahoo Message Number: 18884 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18884)Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just paid a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach and I feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the only coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and states it will not honor any warranty due to this situation. I am looking for other owners who have experience this situation or would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed, while traveling.
Quote from: John
A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that
will
Quote
trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage conditions. Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.
You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units on > our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will tolerate > short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if you > want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I
could
Quote
ship to you to try (you pay shipping).
This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing of > the inverter mfg before adding anything however.
Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ???? >
John and Terry 2005 Affinity
[quote author=fredkovol"
>
> Hi Jake,
> Consider two approaches.
> 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter. > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the
more
Quote
expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use > them
> > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > finally
> found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They agreed > that
> it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > couldn't
> put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got
it
Quote
installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts. Thanks
> for writing and hope to see you at the next rally. > >
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: John on October 20, 2005, 01:08:44 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18887 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18887)I agree ... all these suggestions (especially mine) are band aids.
Interesting to see how CC handles your problem. My neighbor just dumped his Inspire ... got tired of the fighting with CC.
Good luck.
John and Terry 2005 Affinity
Quote from: jjakenancy
> Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just paid > a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach and I > feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the only > coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and states > it will not honor any warranty due to this situation. I am looking for other owners who have experience this situation or > would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed,
while
Quote
traveling.
[quote author=John"
>
> A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, > > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what > > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that > will
> trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage
conditions.
Quote
Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem. >
> You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units
on
Quote
our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a > > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty > > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will
tolerate
Quote
short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if
you
Quote
want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I > could
> ship to you to try (you pay shipping). >
> This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current > > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing
of
Quote
the inverter mfg before adding anything however. >
> Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ???? > >
> John and Terry > 2005 Affinity > > > > > > >
[quote author=fredkovol" >] > >
> > Hi Jake,
> > Consider two approaches.
> > 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter. > > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the > more
> > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use > > them
> > They may be your best bet. > > Fred Kovol > > > > > >
[quote author=Jake" > > >] > > >
> > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > > finally
> > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They
agreed
Quote
that
> > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > > couldn't
> > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got > it
> > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts. > Thanks
> > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally. > > >
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Kary993 on October 20, 2005, 02:18:29 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18889 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18889)Absolutely feel your pain about spending a lot of money only to find something does not work. I can only add that you need to be persistent with CCI if you want resolution.
We got to some resolution on a large towing issue but it took many months and many phone calls. We are now in the middle of battling an issue with the leveling system that is going on three weeks of down time. Our previous down time for the engine and towing issue was 5 weeks. Add that to our current down time and 2 months of the 6 months we have owned this coach has been down time. That is 1/3 of the time for those that are not counting....
So while I feel your pain at least you can use your coach. We have missed three trips so far that were planned because we could not use our coach. Not having a TV while driving is annoying, but not critical. Kary
05 Inspire 36' #51499
Quote from: jjakenancy
> Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just paid > a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach and I > feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the only > coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and states > it will not honor any warranty due to this situation. I am looking for other owners who have experience this situation or > would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed,
while
Quote
traveling.
[quote author=John"
>
> A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, > > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what > > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that > will
> trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage
conditions.
Quote
Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem. >
> You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units
on
Quote
our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a > > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty > > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will
tolerate
Quote
short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if
you
Quote
want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I > could
> ship to you to try (you pay shipping). >
> This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current > > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing
of
Quote
the inverter mfg before adding anything however. >
> Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ???? > >
> John and Terry > 2005 Affinity > > > > > > >
[quote author=fredkovol" >] > >
> > Hi Jake,
> > Consider two approaches.
> > 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter. > > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the > more
> > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use > > them
> > They may be your best bet. > > Fred Kovol > > > > > >
[quote author=Jake" > > >] > > >
> > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > > finally
> > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They
agreed
Quote
that
> > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > > couldn't
> > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got > it
> > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts. > Thanks
> > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally. > > >
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: George Sanders on October 20, 2005, 02:38:00 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18890 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18890)Jake, does the TV work as it should when the coach is stationary?
George Sanders Allure 31038
Quote from: jjakenancy
Title: Coach troubles
Post by: Sue on October 20, 2005, 03:05:15 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18891 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18891)Unfortunately, this seems to be the norm with any of the brands of RV's. Fight keeping it on the road and fight the manufacturer of the coach as well as the components. The price of the unit does not seem to be in the equation at all. We feel your pain, been there/ done that! Waiting on our new '05 Allure and hoping we don't have the same issues as with our SOB. We'll probably just change one set of problems for others.
It is a wonderful life style, but can be very trying at times.
Sue
1254 Allure in waiting
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Ron Schonscheck on October 20, 2005, 03:25:43 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18892 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18892)I's amazing that CC can keep finding people who will spend around a 1/4 million bucks to buy their products and then stand still for having some of the problems they have which in many cases actually render the units unusable. They must sit around in the boardroom laughing their asses off ;-) Ron 98 Allure 30185
kary993 wrote:
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Kary993 on October 20, 2005, 06:13:42 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18896 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18896)What makes you think I am standing still about my issues?
Quote from: Ron Schonscheck\[br\
] > > I's amazing that CC can keep finding people who will spend around a
1/4
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million bucks to buy their products and then stand still for having
some
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of the problems they have which in many cases actually render the
units
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unusable. They must sit around in the boardroom laughing their
asses
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off ;-) Ron 98 Allure 30185
kary993 wrote:
> Absolutely feel your pain about spending a lot of money only to
find
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something does not work. I can only add that you need to be > > persistent with CCI if you want resolution. >
> We got to some resolution on a large towing issue but it took many > > months and many phone calls. We are now in the middle of
battling an
Quote
issue with the leveling system that is going on three weeks of
down
Quote
time. Our previous down time for the engine and towing issue was
5
Quote
weeks. Add that to our current down time and 2 months of the 6 > > months we have owned this coach has been down time. That is 1/3
of
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the time for those that are not counting.... >
> So while I feel your pain at least you can use your coach. We
have
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missed three trips so far that were planned because we could not
use
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our coach. Not having a TV while driving is annoying, but not > > critical. >
> Kary
> 05 Inspire 36' > #51499 > >
[quote author=jjakenancy" >] > >
> > Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just
paid
Quote
> a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach
and I
Quote
> feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the
only
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> coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The > > > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and
states
Quote
> it will not honor any warranty due to this situation. > > I am looking for other owners who have experience this
situation or
Quote
> would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed, > > while
> > traveling. > >
[quote author=John" > >] > > >
> > > A spike filter will only work for very short voltage
trancients,
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> > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon
what
Quote
> > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors
that
Quote
> will
> > > trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage > > conditions.
> > > Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem. > > >
> > > You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola
units
Quote
on
> > > our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of
a
Quote
> > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a
pretty
Quote
> > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will > > tolerate
> > > short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if > > you
> > > want some more help here, I might even have one laying around
I
Quote
> could
> > > ship to you to try (you pay shipping). > > >
> > > This may not be a practical solution depending upon the
current
Quote
> > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the
blessing
Quote
of
> > > the inverter mfg before adding anything however. > > >
> > > Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ???? > > > >
> > > > They may be your best bet. > > > > Fred Kovol > > > > > > > > > > > >
[quote author=Jake" > > > > > > >] > > > > >
> > > > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > > > > finally
> > > > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They > > agreed > > > that
> > > > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > > > > couldn't
> > > > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just
got
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> > > > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going
nuts.
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> > Thanks
> > > > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally. > > > > >
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Ron Schonscheck on October 20, 2005, 07:25:32 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18900 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18900)You may not be and that is a good thing, however apparently there are many out there who won't or don't object to problems that border on the ridiculous and it is not just CC although many pay a premium for a product they believe is superior only to have the same problems that the owner of an entry level pusher has. Smart rv consumers NEVER buy a brand new coach. ;-) Ron 98 Allure 30185
kary993 wrote:
Title: Re: Coach troubles
Post by: Jeffbec51@aol Com on October 20, 2005, 07:25:44 pm
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Kary993 on October 20, 2005, 07:32:47 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18902 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18902)I like this, very interesting. So if people were smart they would never buy a new coach. Then there would never be any used coaches and furthermore there would never be any companies producing coaches because they would go out of business (or never start up int he first place).
I understand your logic, but used coaches have their own pitfalls to say the least.....
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kary993 wrote:
> What makes you think I am standing still about my issues? > > > >
[quote author=Ron Schonscheck >] > >
> > I's amazing that CC can keep finding people who will spend
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> > million bucks to buy their products and then stand still for
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> > of the problems they have which in many cases actually render
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> > unusable. They must sit around in the boardroom laughing their > > asses > > off ;-)
> > Ron 98 Allure 30185 > > > > > >
> > kary993 wrote: > >
> > > Absolutely feel your pain about spending a lot of money only
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> > > something does not work. I can only add that you need to be > > > > persistent with CCI if you want resolution. > > >
> > > We got to some resolution on a large towing issue but it took
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> > months and many phone calls. We are now in the middle of > > battling an
> > > issue with the leveling system that is going on three weeks of > > down
> > > time. Our previous down time for the engine and towing issue
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> > > weeks. Add that to our current down time and 2 months of the
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> > > the time for those that are not counting.... > > >
> > > So while I feel your pain at least you can use your coach. We > > have
> > > missed three trips so far that were planned because we could
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> > > our coach. Not having a TV while driving is annoying, but not > > > > critical. > > >
> > > Kary
> > > 05 Inspire 36' > > > #51499 > > > > > >
[quote author=jjakenancy" > > >] > > > >
> > > > Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have
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> > > > a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country
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> > > > feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is
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> > > > coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter.
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> > > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and > > states
> > > > it will not honor any warranty due to this situation. > > > > I am looking for other owners who have experience this > > situation or
> > > > would like to be able to use the in-motion system as
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> > while > > > > traveling. > > > >
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> > > > > A spike filter will only work for very short voltage > > trancients,
> > > > > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends
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> > > > > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage
monitors
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> > > > > trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage > > > > conditions.
> > > > > Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem. > > > > >
> > > > > You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola > > units > > > on
> > > > > our machines. They basically store energy in the
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> > > > > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a > > pretty
> > > > > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will > > > > tolerate
> > > > > short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email
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> > you
> > > > > want some more help here, I might even have one laying
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I > > > > could
> > > > > ship to you to try (you pay shipping). > > > > >
> > > > > This may not be a practical solution depending upon the > > current
> > > > > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the > > blessing > > > of
> > > > > the inverter mfg before adding anything however. > > > > >
> > > > > Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ???? > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's
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> > > > finally
> > > > > > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter.
They
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> > agreed > > > > > that
> > > > > > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my
dealer,
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> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I
just
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got > > > > it
> > > > > > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am
going
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nuts. > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally. > > > > > > >
Title: Re: Coach troubles
Post by: Sue on October 20, 2005, 07:51:13 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18903 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18903)Opps, should have explained that... SOB= Some Other Brand. We use that on the forum I'm on for our present coach, which we are trading in for the Allure.
Sue
Allure 1254 in waiting
Title: Re: Coach troubles
Post by: David & Karen on October 20, 2005, 09:52:31 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18906 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18906)Sue, Can't figure out where you got the 1254 number. If it is a new Allure the number should be about 313XX?
David
Title: Re: Coach troubles
Post by: Sue on October 20, 2005, 10:09:58 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18907 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18907)It is new, but an '05 that had not sold, hence the # 31254. Sorry I dropped the 3 and wrote out Allure. The dealer and CC had good incentives to get rid of last years products, so we took them up on the offer. We've toured CC facilities, seen them at shows and on dealers lots, but have not seen this one in person, only in pix so hopefully we made the right decision. We are headed to the dealer Sunday. Had to get back to our winter home to unload the present coach and get it ready to trade in. This will make switching much easier... not so much junk!
Sue
31254 Allure in waiting
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Ron Schonscheck on October 20, 2005, 10:30:16 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18909 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18909)We may be making the assumption that the smart people are the ones who can afford the new coaches and do buy them and if this isn't the case then the manufacturers will also be able to sniff out the market and keep exploiting it, besides maybe there are too many coach manufacturers out there today anyway? Regarding Pitfalls, True but the pitfalls with the used are much easier to sniff out and maybe expectations are not quite the same either? I'm in the process of buying a 2003 CC Lexa 45' triple slide with a suggested list of $707K and a used retail of 532K plus an "opening book of $413K for $300K. I'm buying this not for myself because I cannot afford it but for resale for another dealer. This is a coach with 20,000 miles on it and like new. This kind of a deal tells me something although I'm not sure what?
kary993 wrote:
Title: Re: Coach troubles
Post by: David & Karen on October 21, 2005, 09:15:28 am
Yahoo Message Number: 18916 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18916)Sue, Congratulations. Hope all goes smoothly with your change-over.
David
David & Karen
2000 Intrigue 11062 40 ft Single slide. PT 2002 Odyssey TOAD
Title: New coach
Post by: Sue on October 21, 2005, 09:55:35 am
Yahoo Message Number: 18917 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18917)Thanks! Us too!
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Bill Gabler on October 23, 2005, 07:00:34 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18958 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18958) New coach buyers must have some smarts because their the ones who made the money to keep you used buyers in coaches. I don't think this comment or the fact that new coach buyers are not smart desreves a signature.
Title: Re: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Ron Schonscheck on October 23, 2005, 09:17:53 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18962 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18962)Oh I just thought it was the spelling :-) Ron 98 Allure 30185
gablerwh@... (gablerwh@...) wrote:
Title: inverter problems/tv
Post by: Eric Lee Elliott on October 24, 2005, 02:43:42 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 18981 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/18981)About the front TV that quits while driving If you run genset on road, does front TV still fail after a few hours? If so, inverter is not problem.
My guess is TV makes more heat when powered by inverter. Maker did write TV should not be run on non-sine wave power. A small fan moving air into cabinet around TV might cure problem at minimum expense. TV may be switching off to avoid damage by over heating.
When I bypass the 12 volt front TV kill switch, it will be removed totally, not left to possibly interfere or be dead weight. We do not travel with inverter on for appliances. Onan makes 120 VAC with less diesel fuel than Cat plus much less fuel is used to run the large hydraulic cooling fan. Roof air conditioning units cost less to run. 160 volt spikes are not significant. Normal 120 VAC service ranges from 0 to +169 VDC to 0 to - 169 VDC to 0 sixty times each second. Normal power spikes are exceed 169 volts. Surge suppressors normally clip spikes above 200 volts and never below 180 volts.
The Sola transformer is an effective reliable device with long life span. 2605-0250M Sola is rated 250 watts, 85 % efficiency at full load, 60db transverse electric noise reduction. At 13 pounds weight, it might well cure the problem. Still I question running the inverter on road, rather that the genset. The alternator makes 14 VDC at less than 60% efficiency. The inverter must make 14 VDC into 120 VAC at maybe 85% efficiency. Onan's PMG is far more efficient and the output is sine wave, not stepped square wave ("modified sine wave") so the TV should be satisfied.
Eric & Terry Elliott 5 Inspire 51321
Palacios Texas for 11 more days unless Xena comes here.
Title: New coach
Post by: Sue on October 30, 2005, 02:21:30 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 19110 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/19110)Hi All,
We took delivery of our new '05 Allure 470 (#31254) on Saturday. Wow, what a coach! We have just a few things to take care of Monday after the delivery. Over all we are so pleased with this coach. Lots to learn even tho' it is our 5th diesel. We sure enjoy this group, learning all the time.
Sue
Allure 31254
Title: Re: New coach
Post by: Richtinachriskim on October 30, 2005, 10:27:48 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 19131 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/19131)WeWe also have an 05 Allure 470 # 31199 picked it up Dec 04 at factory, our first coach ever. We chose the propane combination frig and have had a problem that occurred due to installation issues. You may want to have it checked to be sure install was OK to prevent furure problems. Ours was fixed anand works great now. We already have over 16,000 miles on the coach anand love it. M Bain
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Quote from: Sue
Hi All,
We took delivery of our new '05 Allure 470 (#31254) on > Saturday. Wow, what a coach! We have just a few things to take
care
Title: Re: New coach
Post by: Sue on October 30, 2005, 10:46:53 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 19134 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/19134)Thanks for the info. Our Allure has the residential refer and the only propane is to the cook top. Finally....a refer that I don't have to defrost every week!
Wow! This was your first coach ever....that was a lot to learn! We're glad we've had experience with other diesels, Hydro Hot etc. There is still a lot to learn about this one....like what light switch works what! There are a lot of similarities to our previous coach and a lot of differences! Keeps life interesting! We've had this one 2 days and sure like it. We just have to get used to the roof air since the previous coach had quiet basement air. Always trade offs!
Sue
Allure 31254
Title: Re: New coach
Post by: Richtinachriskim on October 30, 2005, 11:01:27 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 19136 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/19136)We dry camp almost exclusively, unless we are staying long term somewhere, so we got the propane frig. I haven't had to defrost, apparently there is an auto defrost in these, so I was told anyway. We love the coach, it is fabulous. I think the coach and lifestyle change are 2 of our better decisions in life. Although I must admit, we were so overwhelmed for the first couple months or so, I thought we would go crazy. I did notice the roof air/heat pumps are noisier than I thought they would be, but otherwise work very well. All in all our we are very content. M Bain
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have to defrost every week! > Wow! This was your first coach ever....that was a lot to
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We're glad we've had experience with other diesels, Hydro Hot
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There is still a lot to learn about this one....like what light > switch works what! There are a lot of similarities to our
previous
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coach and a lot of differences! Keeps life interesting! > We've had this one 2 days and sure like it. We just have to
get
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used to the roof air since the previous coach had quiet basement > air. Always trade offs!
Sue
Allure 31254
Title: Re: New coach Now Heat Pump Noise
Post by: Dean on October 31, 2005, 05:21:54 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 19152 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/19152)We enjoy the Heat Pump Noise while sleeping as "white noise". It filters out the noise of DP pulling out at 6:00 AM and the 1200PM partying while providing moving air.