Yahoo Message Number: 23042 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23042)
I just discovered this web group today! Zounds, what a find! I heard that there was a CC group somewhere - This must be IT! Coincidentally, as an Intrigue owner, I have been pondering replacement of house batts with a 6-volt set to gain the charge retention advantage, etc. I see that a couple of you have already dealt with this! Eureka! I read all the posted info, but was unable to access the associated photo album - "Six T105 Batteries in 200 Intrigue" - and don't know why. Sure would like to see how mr colby did it....
D. Westley
2000 CC Intrigue
Yahoo Message Number: 23059 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23059)
Click on "Photos" on the left. Then scroll down and click on "next".
You will see the album in the second row.
Al Colby
2000 Intrigue 10979
Coincidentally,
batts
album -
Yahoo Message Number: 23062 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23062)
Tried to see the photo album, but it states "Unable to retrieve album." Was able to see the album by kc4fws that had a couple of pix...
Yahoo Message Number: 23063 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23063)
You should have no problem at all putting 6 6volt batteries in your mh. I did that several years ago without any modification to the battery compartment other than installing a bracket to hold the batteries in place. I also added a couple of solar panels to assist in keeping batteries charged up. I don't do a lot of dry camping but thought it would be nice to keep batteries up whenever it is stored.
Ray
2000 Intrigue
on "next".
I heard
house
I see
read all
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pix...
Yahoo Message Number: 23073 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23073)
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Got the pix, Allan. Gracias!!! Don
Yahoo Message Number: 23074 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23074)
Al,
I've just uploaded photos of my installation of 6 T105 Batteries in my 2000 Intrigue. I was able to put the 6 in same space occupied by the 2 8D batteries and then putting a aluminum bar in the front to hold them in place.
Ray
2000 Intrigue 11040
on "next".
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Yahoo Message Number: 23079 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23079)
Different way of skinning the cat!
Your way results in a simplier and balanced wiring setup. The only concern I would have is you no longer have the batteries in the plastic tray. If any acid overflows it could get on the steel supports. That is why I used the battery tray as it currently exists and built a new tray for the sixth battery. But, I must say, your way is more aesthetically pleasing!
in
by
Yahoo Message Number: 23109 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23109)
Out of curiosity, what are the "charge retention advantage, etc." that the lead-acid (i.e. T-105) batteries have over 8D's? I am considering consolidating the house and chassis batteries in my rig (currently 2 x 12V chassis/engine batteries and 4 x 6V Interstate U2200 house batteries) with AGM 8D's (to provide both starting and house power).
I thought the 8D's would provide more power and, by switching to AGM's, require less maintenance.
What am I missing? Why are CC owners switching in the other direction?
Thanks.
- John
2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 43' (CC lurker) 2003 Honda CR-V toad
Yahoo Message Number: 23115 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23115)
Regarding the six T-105 batteries that D. Wesley wrote about ... if your 2000 Intrigue
battery bay is the same as my 2002 36-foot battery bay, you can go beyond 6 batteries. I removed the 2 original large house batteries and left the engine battery
in place, built a raised plywood platform that goes from the back of the battery bay
to just inside the bay door to create a flat level floor where the house batteries were,
built solid legs to conform with the shape of the compartment bottom and battery
tray, covered the new platform with an acryllic sheet to protect the wood, built a
small lip around the edge to hold the batteries in place, re-routed a few cables and
made up a bunch of new custom cables, and installed eight Trojan T-105s on a single level. That's 900 amp-hours based on Trojan's spec of 225 amp-hours per
12-volt pair. There's plenty of room above all the batteries to reach in with an
automatic battery filler to check and fill the batteries. They've been in place for 2
years and work great in conjunction with 500-watts of solar on the roof and of course an e-meter to keep an eye on our status of battery charge and usage.
Steve Bufty
2002 Intrigue
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Yahoo Message Number: 23127 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23127)
How do you vent the compartment? Sounds like an explosion ready to happen if not vented. I replaced my two house batteries with four T- 145's using only the same space as the original battery tray was designed for.
Jim Hughes
2000 Allure #30511
if your
beyond 6
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been in
roof and
and usage.
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Yahoo Message Number: 23113 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23113)
John: There are no "charge retention advantage" to lead-acid batteries. AGMS have the advantage in charge retention. 6-volt batteries, like the T105 from Trojan, have the advantage in amp-hours per dollar. If you want to maximize amp hours for dry camping, wet cell batteries like the Trojan T-105 give the maximum amp hours for the dollars spent. If you do not need a lot of amp hours, AGMs are the best bet.
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From: "bc_mtnaire" bcbounders@... (bcbounders@...) Date: Tue May 30, 2006 7:47pm(PDT) Subject: Re: 6 volt house batt install
Out of curiosity, what are the "charge retention advantage, etc." that the lead-acid (i.e. T-105) batteries have over 8D's? I am considering consolidating the house and chassis batteries in my rig (currently 2 x 12V chassis/engine batteries and 4 x 6V Interstate U2200 house batteries) with AGM 8D's (to provide both starting and house power).
I thought the 8D's would provide more power and, by switching to AGM's, require less maintenance.
What am I missing? Why are CC owners switching in the other direction?
Thanks.
- John
2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 43' (CC lurker) 2003 Honda CR-V toad
Yahoo Message Number: 23120 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23120)
Hi Folks,
Some added comment as this issue gets attention at least every 6 mos: As an example, the Interstate MHD-8D is advertized at 1400 CCA which is about 225 AH (divide by 6 as a rule of thumb, some use 5.8, others
6.2 to get from CCA to AH) and sell for about $175. The T105 sells for
about $90 each so the cost is close. And so are the weights indicating the lead content and therefore stored energy is about the same.
Conclusion - use is preferential. Look at the AGM weight for comparison.
Fred Kovol
...Trojan, have the advantage in amp-hours per dollar. If you want to maximize
give the
amp
that
considering
x
direction?
Yahoo Message Number: 23142 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23142)
Fred,
Let me pitch my $.02 on this one.
In April I decided to replace all 3 of my batteries and talked to Interstate Tech support at length and here is my understanding.
While the Interstate Workaholic 8D-MHD and 8D-XHD make great Starting batteries they are not "Deep Cycle Batteries" and not recommended to be used as house batteries. In their words they will not last long as house batteries if you do a lot of dry camping.
They suggested the SRM-4D to be used for the house batteries due to being true "Deep Cycle" batteries; it has to do with how the batteries are used. They also indicated that if you do not do much dry camping, thus not discharging much/often, then the Workaholic's would work but still suggested SRM-4D for the house batteries.
Although the weights are about the same it has something to do with the design of the lead plates.
I think thier bottom line was make sure your house batteries are true "Deep Cycle" reguardless of how they are used. Made since to me so that is the way I went. BTW, I never dry camp unless it's under a Wall Mart sign.
Richard Aquino
2001 Intrigue
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others
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indicating
Yahoo Message Number: 23119 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23119)
Steve: All I can say is wow! Can you post a photo of this? It sounds like the ultimate for the dedicated boondocker! And you have, by essentially building a new tray, contained the batteries to protect the steel supports in the compartment. Sounds great!
Al Colby
2000 Intrigue 10979
Date: Wed May 31, 2006 1:50 am (PDT) From: "steve_bufty@... (steve_bufty@...)" Steve_Bufty@... (Steve_Bufty@...) Subject: 6 volt house batt install
Regarding the six T-105 batteries that D. Wesley wrote about ... if your 2000 Intrigue battery bay is the same as my 2002 36-foot battery bay, you can go beyond 6 batteries. I removed the 2 original large house batteries and left the engine battery in place, built a raised plywood platform that goes from the back of the battery bay to just inside the bay door to create a flat level floor where the house batteries were, built solid legs to conform with the shape of the compartment bottom and battery tray, covered the new platform with an acryllic sheet to protect the wood, built a small lip around the edge to hold the batteries in place, re-routed a few cables and made up a bunch of new custom cables, and installed eight Trojan T-105s on a single level. That's 900 amp-hours based on Trojan's spec of 225 amp-hours per 12-volt pair. There's plenty of room above all the batteries to reach in with an automatic battery filler to check and fill the batteries. They've been in place for 2 years and work great in conjunction with 500-watts of solar on the roof and of course an e-meter to keep an eye on our status of battery charge and usage.
Steve Bufty
2002 Intrigue
Yahoo Message Number: 23147 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23147)
country-coach-owners@yahoogroups.com (country-coach-owners@yahoogroups.com) Subject: 6-volt battery install
Al ? remind me where and how to post a photo of the 8-battery installation and I will
see what I can do.
Jim Hughes ? The compartment is still well vented. The rear portion of the battery
compartment still is fully open to the mesh screen along the inboard side of the
engine battery, there is a large opening at the aft end of the compartment, plus
there is some air flow around the forward end of the compartment since the modified platform does not butt up against the forward bulkhead.
And to whoever brought up the price issue, I bought the 8 Trojan batteries as a
single purchase from the Battery X-Change just south of Junction City on Route 99
and got a ?fleet price? of $69 each. Of course that was 2 years ago. And in Oregon
there was no sales tax.
Steve Bufty
2006 Intrigue 11382
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Yahoo Message Number: 23149 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/23149)
Steve: First, make sure you know where your photo(s) located in your computer. Then, click on "Photos" on the left. You will be taken to a screen where you should click on "Add to a new album". Give the album a name. Then click "Browse", go to the folder on your computer where the photo is located, and select it. Give the photo a name.
You can select multiple photos, just make sure you stay under the 5MB limit. When done, click "Add Now".
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