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Title: 2003 Allure
Post by: Walt Rothermel_02 on March 24, 2002, 02:59:46 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 1357 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/1357)
At the Ft. Benning pre-rally I traded my 2000 Intrigue for a 2003 Allure. I was hesitant because I hated to "trade down" but this new Allure is more coach than either my 1997 or 2000 Intrigue. I told Don Foltz he is going to have a hard time selling Intrigues if the customers look hard at the Allure. There's about $40,000 price difference in the two products, and I just couldn't find it. My 40' with two slides and a tag axle is a beautiful coach. After driving it about 700 miles I am very impressed with the handling and the 370hp ISL Cummins. I do want to look at the front shocks to see if they are set as firm as they will go, as I experienced some bottoming out. Any of you who drive thru Jackson, Ms.on I-20 Know this is possible. One other thing I find weird is an identical problem I had with the 2000 Intrigue. When connected with shore water I'm getting back flow to the fresh water tank causing the overflow valve to drain water. The previous fix after changing out the transfer valve twice was to replace the

pump. After that I had no problems. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
Also, the jury is still out on the Hurricane system which eliminated the hot water tank. Two techs worded on mine for hours at Perry and, after findig a short,

thought they had solved the problems, but I still don't have hot water from electricity--only deisel. Hopefully, someone at Buddy Gregg's in Dallas will have an answer.

All in all, I think CC has come up with a gem in the 2003 Allure.

Walt Rothermel
Allure30811
Title: 2003 Allure
Post by: Royerte on August 21, 2002, 09:27:48 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2504 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2504)
I just wanted to let all of you know that Sherry and I have picked up our Allure (#30858) from the factory. What a thrill to see your new coach sitting there all polished up and looking really good.
I want to thank Damon Rapozo for all the great work. He is truly a professional, selling you what you need and not what he wants. It was a great experience and I will refer Damon every chance I get.
The ride home to Colorado Springs was flawless. The coach drove like a dream. The 370 ISL had no problems in the mountains, and in fact, there were no problems at all. The folks at Country Coach are really the best and they treat you like family. It was great! Walt, if you are out there, thanks for the suggestion on the mirror over the sink. I look forward to being a contributing member of this board, but I'm afraid I will have many questions before I can offer any advice.

Thanks for all the great posts on this board. It helped me dicide that we should be CC owners, too!

Tom and Sherry Royer
2003 Allure Cascade
with a tag
#30858
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Jim Hughes on August 22, 2002, 05:58:49 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2505 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2505)
Tom & Sherry

CONGRATULATIONS! on your new coach. I know you will truly enjoy it.
You are correct in the fine folks at Country Coach. My wife and I recently purchased a used 2000 Allure and I had many questions I had asked of Country Coach. They have always been responsive and helpful. I would not have expected that kind of treatment for a second owner. They act as if I had just purchased the coach new.

Jim & Barbara Hughes
Jacksonville, FL
2000 Allure #30511
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Kathy Marsh_01 on August 22, 2002, 11:25:15 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2506 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2506)
Congratulations on your new "Home" - Whether it is your "only home" or your "other home" - You will lenjoy it.
We have a 2000 Allure #30536 and live in ours full time. We love it. We just finished a 7 week trip to Nova Scotia and really enjoyed having our home to return to each evening.
The folks at Country Coach have always been helpful. You can always count on them.

Happy and safe travels.

Kathy Marsh
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: David & Karen on August 22, 2002, 11:42:32 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2507 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2507)
What suggestion? Should it be on my wish list? Please share.

David and Karen,
2000 Intrigue 11062
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on August 22, 2002, 12:08:29 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2508 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2508)
I am definitely "out here," and just finished installing new full- mirrored doors over my sink. It makes a big difference. I commented on the poor design and CC sent me some new doors. I wouldn't be surprised if they change the design on future Allures. Best of luck on your new coach. If you attend the Kansas rally in Oct. let's compare notes. I still think the 2003 Allure is higher quality than either of my Intrigues--'97 and 2000. Only very minor problems so far.

Best regards
Walt Rothermel
2003 Allure 30811
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Royerte on August 22, 2002, 06:02:56 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2509 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2509)
Kathy

Sherry and I have leased our home for three years and we move into our coach on Wednesday, Aug 28th. We look forward to trips. We plan on attending the FMCA Rally in Kansas on 1-3 Oct. It will be our first Extravaganza (sp) and can't wait to see all the rigs.
Damon will be there, too!
Tom
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Ree on August 22, 2002, 10:39:02 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2510 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2510)
The wood framed doors are one of the things I dislike, too. I have commented more than once that they were a poor choice. When I go back to the dealer for some little things that need attention, I will mention this.

Ree

Full-Timing in a 2003 Allure
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Royerte on August 23, 2002, 12:00:23 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2512 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2512)
Ree

What is your coach #.

Thanks
Tom Royer

Allure Cascade
#30858
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Ree on August 23, 2002, 11:26:05 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2515 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2515)
Coach #30852 Signed the papers on 8/01/02 Sure have a lot to learn! Yours is "newer" than mine!

Ree

Full Timing in a 2003 Allure # 30852
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Royerte on August 26, 2002, 01:43:06 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2522 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2522)
Ree/Walt plus anyone else that would like to respond----

Since we are the only 2003 Allure Cascades on this board (at least that I know about) I have a question regarding temperature readings.
My radiator and transmission temperature gauges read "hot" in my opinion. The radiator was around 200-205 degress and the trans temperature was around 200-210 degrees.
Now, I do live in Colorado with many hills, and I did drive from JC to Colorado through Oregon, Idado and Utah experiencing all the mountain grades that they could throw at me, but I still think it is a little hot---at least compared to what the book says the temperatures should be (175-195 if I remember correctly)

What temperatures have you experienced in your travels?

Also, I had some hot water problems. I didn't have any! I had to do some wire splicing with the guidance from Jim from "Hurricane". Since I move into to it full-time on Wednesday, I will let you know if the "fix" works.
I hoping that I can get a few things taking care of by Country Coach at the FMCA rally in Kansas in Oct.

Tom
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: David & Karen on August 26, 2002, 05:26:48 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2523 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2523)
OK Now I know what you are talking about. GGG

A 2003 Allure at the rally had the wood framed doors over the sink. When I went to the floor plans seminar I raised this issue with Don and his response was that there had been several negative comments about this and a fix was in the works?

I hope by now the production units leaving the line have the fix in place as the full frame doors are quite ridiculous over the sink IMHO.

We have full mirrored doors over our sink (the coach came that way) but we did get them modified. Originally they had the plastic pulls on the front. They have been removed and a finger pull slots milled into the bottom edge of the doors. Makes for a much cleaner look.

We also had mirrors in the hall way (Gourmet on the Road) that had plastic handles. Great for catching clothes and arms when passing by. Karen has the scars to prove it. Did the same modification. Now no more hang ups or cut arms.


David and Karen,
2000 Intrigue, 11062.
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Rbessinger12 on August 26, 2002, 06:56:43 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2524 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2524)
Tom,

I have an '02 Intrigue and those temperature readings look pretty close to what I'm seeing also. Mine usually runs about 190-200 under normal driving and about 205-210 on hills. From what I've been told, those numbers are normal and shouldn't alarm you.
As far as the Hurricane problem, I've been there and it's no fun. I take it that your only source of hot water is the Hurricane heater.
My unit had to be rewired at the dealer. I believe it incorrectly had a continuous hot wire that would not cycle on and off with the controls. This caused the unit to overheat and thus resulting in a burner that would not fire properly. Not only would you not have hot water, but also no heat (except for the roof units). As for now, it's working pretty good. However, it's still not a 100% reliable hot water solution in my opinion. But when it's functioning properly, you have continuous hot water where as a conventional hot water heater is so limited, and then you really see the benefits of the Hurricane heater.
Rob

'02 Intrigue - #11480
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Herb Strandberg on August 26, 2002, 07:47:30 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2525 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2525)
I can't speak for the 2003 but after the radiator fan was fixed, the engine temp gauge climbed to the 220 range, even with a new gauge (but old sending unit). On the other hand the Silverleaf (and Cummins Insite laptop which reports the same digital data), maxes out at 198 degrees -- which I understand is a very reasonable temp.

Herb

Allure 2002 #30690
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: George W Becker on August 26, 2002, 08:33:51 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2526 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2526)
"I have an '02 Intrigue and those temperature readings look pretty close to what I'm seeing also. Mine usually runs about 190-200 under normal driving and about 205-210 on hills. From what I've been told, those numbers are normal and shouldn't alarm you.
I have a 1999 Intrigue with isc350. Coolant temperatures hold at 180-182 degrees. On long 6% grades they may climb to 190 or so but immediately drop to 181 after peak of climb. I have Silver Leaf and transmission temperatures settle at 185 or so. I inadvertently had too much fluid in the transmission for a short time and the temperatures ran at over 200 degrees as much as 220 degrees.

Sincerely

George W Becker

gwb36@... (gwb36@...) 1999 Country Coach Intrigue #10700
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Kathy Marsh_01 on August 26, 2002, 08:55:09 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2527 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2527)
David & Karen - Will you be at the CCI rally in KS? Would like to see how you "modified" the glass door openings. Sounds like a great idea.

Kathy
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Dick May on August 26, 2002, 09:51:12 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2528 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2528)
The standard gauges are not very accurate.... in my opinion. My Silverleaf reports 185-195 except when it's very hop out or climbing hills. I stopped looking at the gauges. The tranny temps also show relatively the same discrepancies.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Member: CCI, FMCA
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Ree on August 26, 2002, 11:18:49 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2529 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2529)
I have only driven my rig about 125 miles--just from the dealer to Victoria, TX. so I cannot answer any questions! I will go to a rally on Thursday, but it is not very far. I really do need to get some miles on it before long.
I will leave the end of Sept. or early Oct. for the west coast and the Baja.
Need to get a better feel for the thing before I take off. I still have lots of questions about "stuff".

Will go back to the dealer before long to get some paint chips touched up and they will install the coach armor. Also, getting the sofa recovered.
It is really pitiful!

When I get my questions figured out, I will start asking!

Ree

Full-Timing in a 2003 Allure
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Dick May on August 27, 2002, 10:01:37 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2531 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2531)
From what I've read in the manual, and from my experience, the Hurricane system (at least in my Intrigue) is not plumbed to be the sole source of hot water. The heated coolant passes by the hot water storage tank through a section of metal pipe welded to the tank. When driving... about three hours according to the manual.... the water should be hot. When using the hydronic system for coach heat, it is only an assist to the production of hot water.
Hurricane provides an option for a true heat exchanger for supplying hot water but it is not used in my Intrigue. I don't think the lack of hot water when using the Hurricane system is not a failure of the system... rather it is doing what it was designed to do.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Member: CCI, FMCA
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Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on August 27, 2002, 10:34:55 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2532 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2532)
Tom, my temp runs just under 200 for both eng and trans. Re the hot water, I had problems too initially and various techs worked on it at Perry and at Buddy Gregg's in Dallas. When I finally realized you cannot get an adequate supply from elec alone and turned on the deisel heater, then I had plenty of hot water. I know they advertise a continuous supply of hw, but they don't tell you you have to use deisel fuel to get it.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on August 27, 2002, 10:50:35 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2533 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2533)
Ree, are you sure you want to install coach armor? If it didn't leave holes in the coach I'd sell you mine cheap. The problem withthese things is they're a pain in the behind when washing the coach or just cleaning the windshield. There is always dirty water running down inside the armor. Also, they're difficult to clean without scratching. I believe one could have the front of a coach painted twice for the cost of the coach armor and not have the aggravation. I would certainly look into the 3M film before installing the coach armor.

Regards

WaltRothermel
2003Allure30811
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on August 27, 2002, 10:55:42 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2534 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2534)
Dick, the 2003 Allure doesn't have a hot water storage tank--just water jackets with electric and deisel heaters. It sounds like a good idea and I suspicion it was designed to save space because of the tag axle. As I said in another message it works just fine if deisel fuel is used and not just electricity.
.

Wqlt Rothemel
2003Allure30811
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Fred Kovol on August 27, 2002, 01:43:15 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2536 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2536)
Hi George,

I would be concerned with that low coolant temperature and the fact it does not vary much. This is usually an indication that the fan controller is in fail safe mode, operating at max speed continiously. Our coach exhibited this problem because the connector to the Danfoss controller disconnected.
Fred Kovol
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: David & Karen on August 27, 2002, 02:51:28 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2537 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2537)
Ree

Walt has written exactly what I was about to write. My coach was a used unit and came with coach armor. I would never ever buy a new coach with it. A good 3m protective sheet is the way to go in my opinion.

David and Karen,
2000 Intrigue 11062
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: David & Karen on August 27, 2002, 03:00:54 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2538 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2538)
We had our fan control checked at the CC rally and discovered that the sensor was non existent. Consequently we were running fan at max speed all the time, the fail safe condition Fred mentioned.

CC technician replaced sensor and re programmed controller to latest 2003 settings, all at no cost to me.

The result is outstanding. The coach is quieter when starting from cold and no more excessive dust storm.

Thanks to someone on this forum who mentioned the cure for the problem we are now happy campers. OOPS, that is a Winnie term, I should have said "happy resorters". GGG

David and Karen,
2000 Intrigue 11062
Title: Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: David & Karen on August 27, 2002, 03:12:56 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2539 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2539)
Unfortunately No. We are located on the left side. Would like to meet other owners from the right side and middle but not possible in the near term.

The plastic handles on the glass doors can be removed by gently warming them with a hair dryer. A finger slot is milled (rabbited ?) along the bottom of the door on the back side so that it is not visible from the front.

If you find someone with a hand held router this could probably be accomplished without removing the doors.

Hope that helps.

David and Karen,
2000 Intrigue 11062
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Robin McCracken on August 27, 2002, 03:46:48 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2540 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2540)
Just a note: Country Coach will NOT apply 3M on new coaches ordered. Problems have been with the adhesive used with this product. It is so strong, that if the freshly applied paint on your coach has not fully cured, the 3M gluing will REMOVE the paint (Have seen this happen). Before installing 3M to a newly ordered motorhome, make sure the paint used is entirely dry (Three/Four weeks at least).

Robin

BuddyGregg Motorhomes.
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: George W Becker on August 27, 2002, 03:52:02 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2541 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2541)
"I would be concerned with that low coolant temperature and the fact it does not vary much. This is usually an indication that the fan controller is in fail safe mode, operating at max speed continiously." -------------

Definitely not in my case. I eliminated the dust storm by removing the orifices in hydraulic line to fan motor a couple of years ago. I think it is just a very efficient cooling system. Thank goodness.

Sincerely

George W Becker

gwb36@... (gwb36@...) 1999 Country Coach Intrigue #10700
Title: Re: Hot Water--2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Royerte on August 27, 2002, 04:47:18 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2542 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2542)

Quote

When I finally realized you cannot get an adequate supply from elec alone and turned on the deisel heater, then I had plenty of hot water.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

Walt

When you say that you "turned on the diesel heater" do you mean that you had to turn on the furnace?
Tom

2003 Allure 30858
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Rbessinger12 on August 27, 2002, 07:43:06 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2544 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2544)
Dick,

My Hurricane heater is the model CO45XL, which does have a true heat exchanger. I believe my Intrigue is one of the few that has this as the only hot water source. I believe the new Allures have this as a standard. I do also have the tag axle, which may in fact be the reason for omitting the typical Atwood hot water heater. The specifications for the 2003's show both the Hurricane and the 10 gallon Atwood as standard. I wish I had both since I have experienced problems with my Hurricane.

Rob

'02 Intrigue - #11480
Title: Re: Hot Water--2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on August 27, 2002, 08:16:48 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2545 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2545)
Tom, you turn on the "central heat control " but not the " interior heat exchangers." When you turn on the water heater switch you automatically get electrically heated water if you are hooked up or have your generator on.
This gives you hot water almost instantly and suffices for hand washing, dishes, etc. but not for showers of any length at all. Prior to showering, we turn on the deisel. Hope this helps---maybe CCI will have a seminar on these systems in Kansas.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Fred Kovol on August 27, 2002, 09:16:49 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2546 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2546)
Hi George,

Could you be a little more specific as to the location of the orfices, how they are removed and how removal increases efficiency.

Why are they there to begin with?
Fred Kovol
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Dick May on August 27, 2002, 09:39:53 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2548 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2548)
I think that the Hurricane only hot water is a good idea. I just wonder what things are like during really hot weather. I had four years of Atwood only with A/C or LP and now have the Hurricane with the Atwood and am very happy with that setup. I have never been without hot water for the two of us.... as long as we remember to turn on the LP burner when dry camping.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Ree on August 27, 2002, 10:29:31 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2549 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2549)
The salesman had first suggested the film, but because of the rough texture on the bottom section, he did not think that the film could be applied. If it can be, I might could cancel the order. I would prefer the film.

Ree
Title: Coach Armor was RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 2003 Allure (Ree
Post by: Ree on August 27, 2002, 10:37:58 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2550 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2550)
I have never had the armor. My previous coach had the black vinyl bra which I thought was ugly. It was easy enough to remove and put back on, but ended up not doing it most of the time. I saw a couple of rigs with the armor and thought they looked nice. I did not like the way the one on the Monaco looked, but the CC looked nice. I thought that there was a new type of installation that made the cleaning problem easier..
The dealer was going to paint the front because of a few rock chips coming from the factory. There is no way that I could let that cure for 3 weeks before applying the film because I will be heading west the end of Sept. or first week in Oct. If it can be applied, I may see about canceling the order and when I get back in the spring they could paint it and apply then. Of course, there would be more chips in it by then!
Comments about the rough texture at the bottom would be appreciated. If it can be applied over the rough texture, I might get the film applied around the wheel well area as well.

Ree.
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Dennyzarnt_1@aol Com on August 27, 2002, 11:03:03 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2552 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2552)
re coach armor.

I had it on my last coach....while is worked, it was a maintenance hassle. I got the 3M put on by the factory just under two years ago. I am very happy with it. The bugs come quite easily. Fortunately I have not had any very large rocks hit the front. So I can't say what would happen. Some rocks dig leave very tiny "dings" in the 3M armor, but they are not noticeable.
I am not sure that CC like to put the 3M on coaches. It is very labor intensive and you've got to do it just right. One disadvantage is that some of the edges can start to get a bit of dirt under them and it takes a little more effort to wash the dirt out and not pull the 3M off, but that is nothing compared to washing that big sheet of plastic.
So far -- 24,000 miles, I really like it and would install it over the thick bus armor.

hope this info helps.
Den
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Ree on August 27, 2002, 11:11:03 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2553 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2553)
Denny, does your coach have the textured/rough finish on the lower section?

Ree
Title: Re: Coach Armor was RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Ree on August 27, 2002, 11:19:40 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2554 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2554)
Has anyone used the "Diamond Shield" or something like that? It is a film, but wonder what the difference between it and the 3M/

Ree
Title: Re: Coach Armor was RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Dennyzarnt_1@aol Com on August 27, 2002, 11:32:47 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2555 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2555)
Wish I could help you Ree with your questions about the textured finish. But I have an Affinity and the entire front end is a smooth finish. I would recommend that you talk with folks who have done the installation on a textured finish and ask them for customer references.
Again, I'm very happy with my 3M installation, just a few problems with a minor amount of dirt in some of the edges. best of luck

Denny Zarnt

2001 Affinity # 5972
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Fred And Grace Johnson on August 28, 2002, 08:10:20 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2557 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2557)
The film cannot be successfully applied to the textured surface. If a coach is going to have the film applied by Nortech or any other applicator (after manufacture), CC is informed so the texture is not applied during the coach's assembly. The default process is adding the textured surface because the majority of the coaches have the lexan coach armor installed.

Fred Johnson
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: George W Becker on August 28, 2002, 08:27:38 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2558 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2558)
"Hi George,

Could you be a little more specific as to the location of the orfices, how they are removed and how removal increases efficiency.

Why are they there to begin with?" ---------------

My understanding is that later Intrigues use electric controls and maybe electric fan. Mine is a hydraulic motor. I got this kit from CC (which I heard is no longer providing it because it supposedly does not provide enough airflow at idle when running dash air and can result in blown ac seals). It involves removing small hole orficies and replacing with full flow fittings in one of the two hydraulic lines to the fan. There is a thermovalve anyway which calls for more fan speed if the coolant exceeds 185 degrees. So full speed especially at idle is not required. The manual gives a good description of the operation but in my later years my attention span is decreasing. So I can not give a complete, technical description. I did do an admittedly simplified thermodynamic study and convinced myself that the excessive parasitic horsepower drain due to the unnecessarily high fan speed can result in an observed 1/2 to 1 mpg.

Sincerely

George W Becker

gwb36@... (gwb36@...) 1999 Country Coach Intrigue #10700
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Royerte on August 28, 2002, 10:13:48 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2559 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2559)
Ree

I had the 3M installed at the factory on my 2003 Allure. It works great and I am very pleased with how easy it is to clean off the bugs! They didn't seem to have any problems appling the 3M. Acually, it was applied by the 3M vendor. I think his name is Glenn Norris. I think he said that he will be at the FMCA Rally in Kansas from Oct 1-3. (I know, I am thinking a lot!)
Tom
30858
Title: Coach Armor was RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 2003 Allure (Ree
Post by: Royerte on August 28, 2002, 10:36:12 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2561 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2561)
Ree

Give Country Coach a call and ask them for Glenn Norris's phone number. He is the vendor that installs the 3M. He can tell you how he handles the rough section of the front

Tom
Title: Re: Coach Armor was RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Walt Rothermel_01 on August 28, 2002, 10:57:28 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2562 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2562)
Ree, I wouldn't worry about the rough coat at the bottom. Putting protection over that is, in my opinion, overkill.
Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811
Title: Re: Coach Armor was RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 2003 Allure
Post by: Dick May on August 28, 2002, 06:19:02 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2565 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2565)
I have 5 years - 65,000 miles - with the coach armor and I have been very happy with it. I think I made the right decision in putting it on my second coach. Yes, it is a little difficult to clean well... the back side. I have a B&D battery screwdriver with a hex bit that makes removing and replacing the screws a snap.
I just bought the Plexus cleaner that was talked about earlier. I used it on the plastic panel on the screen door and it worked really great! I used it on a LITTLE corner of the coach armor and will let it sit for a few days to make sure.
Even with traditional cleaning I will still have it on my future MHs.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Dick May on August 28, 2002, 06:19:04 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2566 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2566)
Tom....

The last time I did a comparison this is what I recorded:

Dash SilverLeaf

Engine temp 220 192 Tranny temp 209 198

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Royerte on August 29, 2002, 03:32:15 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 2577 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2577)
Thanks, Dick

When I called Country Coach about the temperatures, they said that the standard gauges read about 8% higher than real temperature and the gauges read output temperatures rather than the input temperatures. If that is true, and I have no reason to doubt them, then my temperatures guages are in line with the manual temperatures of 175-190.

I guess my only concern is maybe the manuals should state temperatures that are actually read by the gauges rather than---you get my point.

Tom Royer

2003 Cascade with a tag
Title: Re: 2003 Allure (Ree/Walt)
Post by: Dick May on August 30, 2002, 08:21:47 am
Yahoo Message Number: 2579 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/2579)
Additionally... if CC knows that there is a +8% error built in, why not correct the problem?
Title: 2003 Allure
Post by: Jim Spivey on June 15, 2007, 01:01:45 pm
Yahoo Message Number: 32040 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Country-Coach-Owners/conversations/messages/32040)
For those of you that have e-mailed me, the coach can be seen on the RV Online web site, select 36' and my unit is the second down, an Allure Sunriver. My phone is listed in the add and as most know I own two CC's. I guess that is not a testament to my intelligence but I just could not let the dealer steal the unit. This will be a great buy and well below market. Since I am retired,I will be traveling soon and thus my motivation to sell. Driving two units is very difficult.