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Hurricane Behavior

Yahoo Message Number: 98806
I posted this to Roger Berke's Hydronic Heating board too. My sense is that there are more Hurricane owners among Country Coach owners than other coach brands, however.
 Prior to getting the coach fully winterized we had a cold snap. I enabled the Hurricane (model C045DRF s/n 0401-2621) and set the thermostat to "furnace" and 40 degrees for both Hurricane zones in the coach. I put remote thermometers in the coach and in the wet bay to monitor temperatures.
 Everything worked as advertised. The coach living area stayed close to 41-42 degrees. The wet bay fluctuated more at 65 degrees, plus or minus 5 degrees even though the wet bay thermostat was set to about 50. That adjustment is very coarse and I did not want to risk setting it at a point that would allow the temperature in the wet bay to go below freezing.
 Having just returned from a trip, I had not yet topped off the diesel tank and the dashboard gauge said it was a little over half full. I checked the fuel gauge periodically over the course of 2 days and according to the gauge, the level of diesel went down to slightly less than half full. Based on that observed rate of consumption and all else being equal, I figured the Hurricane would keep the coach at the selected temperatures for many days.
 After another day or so I saw the coach and wet bay temperatures start to fall. Fortunately the weather was warming so they did not get near freezing.
 The Hurricane had stopped working. The fuel gauge still showed what should have been ample fuel at about 7/16 full. The Hurricane fuel filter looked to be about 2/3 full of diesel. When the thermostat called for heat the blower would spool up but I did not feel any pulsing of the bleed valve which is supposed to indicate an operating fuel pump. The "Power On" and "Water Pump On" LED's were lit but the remote LED in the bedroom panel was not lit.
 At the time I attributed all of the above to the possibility that the fuel gauge was stuck, what with the coach sitting still and the Hurricane sipping small amounts of fuel. The probability that the level of diesel had gone below the 1/4 tank level that the Hurricane fuel pickup tube was theoretically set at seemed to be the best guess.
 I soon finished the winterizing and took the coach out for an exercise spin and a fuel top-off before putting it in storage. Moving the coach did not cause the fuel gauge to move and filling up confirmed that the gauge was close to the mark since it only took slightly more than half of the stated capacity to top it off.
 As soon as I got the coach parked I tried the Hurricane and it instantly lit off and started heating/circulating coolant. I could feel the fuel pump pulsing on the bleed valve.
 I know the first thing that will be suggested is a routine scheduled service and it is in the queue, but is there anything else I should be looking for?
 Is it possible that the fuel pickup tube is only 9/16 into the tank? Or is it possible that the fuel pump/fuel filter are weakening the lifting abilities to the extent that it needs nearly 1/2 tank of diesel to be able to deliver fuel to the unit?

Thanks for any ideas.

Dave M. 2002 Affinity #6103
Dave & Cathy M, 2002 Affinity #6103, 2018 GMC Acadia, Linux Mint 19.2

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #1
Yahoo Message Number: 98810
Dave,

How many hours on your furnace? How long has it been since being serviced? Have any of the "consumable" parts (ignitor, photodiode, nozzle, etc) been replaced?

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438, towing a
2014 Jeep Gr Cherokee ecoDiesel

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #2
Yahoo Message Number: 98812
Dick,

About 575 hours on the Hurricane. We're the second owners but according to the maintenance records, the Hurricane has been "serviced" at least once. The folks at Premier RV in Junction City where we bought the coach, said that it was running fine. We have used it on the few trips taken since getting the coach back in April. As mentioned in the original post, the Hurricane is scheduled to be serviced, probably in January.
 I've been busy getting everything else up to snuff - engine valve lash, radiator fan constantly running, Allison switched over to Transynd, swapping electric cook top for propane, retrofitting remote keyless door lock, etc, etc, etc.
 Since the Hurricane had been running flawlessly up until it stopped, it got moved toward the end of today's to-do list. Now it seems to be working. That said we'll service it before or during the upcoming trip to Arizona.

Thanks,

Dave M. 2002 Affinity #6103
Dave & Cathy M, 2002 Affinity #6103, 2018 GMC Acadia, Linux Mint 19.2

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #3
Yahoo Message Number: 98813
Dave,

You mentioned the length of the pick up tube. This is a good avenue to  check out. Since it ran good, then not so good. You added fuel and it got  happy...
 If you can get to it, remove it and do the measurements and adjust as  necessary. If you cannot get to it just remember below 1/2 it is  marginal...

Mikee

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #4
Yahoo Message Number: 98822
You might be getting air thriugh deteriorating fuel lines.  Mine used to intermittently flame out until I changed out the fuel lines.  Damage from Deteriorating fuel lines were clearly visibly confirmed aroind the tank area where lines are exposed to the elements.

Larry,  03 Allure 30856

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Reply #5
Yahoo Message Number: 98823
We also had problems with the fuel lines. You should replace both the Hurricane and the Onan lines with marine grade lines. This should solve your problems.

BVL

2003 Allure 30900

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Reply #6
Yahoo Message Number: 98824
Very few hours for an '02. Maybe it could have benefited from exercise (like me). If you haven't seem them already, there are some good troubleshooting and maintenance videos on the IRT website (http://itrheat.com/products/hurricane-heating-systems/support/training-videos/).

If you are into DIY those may help until you get to a service location. Good luck.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438, towing a
2014 Jeep Gr Cherokee ecoDiesel

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #7
Yahoo Message Number: 98826
Thanks for the responses. I've seen the videos and talked to ITR. Both very informative and helpful.
 The fuel line thing sounds like it might be something one would want to do proactively.
 Did those of you who experienced fuel line problems see any evidence of the problems apart from the burner flaming out? Like residue or debris in the fuel filter?
 My fuel filter is an in-line, transparent plastic case, paper element type. I can clearly see the element and there is no indication that it is dirty. The filter vessel is not completely full of fuel though and that is what caused me to think that the tank level had simply fallen below the pick-up tube.

Thanks again,

Dave M. 2002 Affinity #6103
Dave & Cathy M, 2002 Affinity #6103, 2018 GMC Acadia, Linux Mint 19.2

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #8
Yahoo Message Number: 98830
When I had problems my fuel filter seemed fine. The hurricane ran great most of the time. Then I had problems with the generator and found that it was the fuel lines. After we had them replaced all our problems went away and both units now run fine.
BVL

2003 Allure First Ave 30900
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Reply #9
Yahoo Message Number: 98843
Bryon,

I also had my Hurricane supply & return hose replace several year ago. Did your shop lower the Fuel Tank to get to the fittings on top of the tank? I have 2003 Allure 1st Ave. #30898 two units before yours.
I now may have the problem of somehow replacing my Generator fuel hoses.

Thanks, Mike 03 Allure 1st Ave. #30898

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Reply #10
Yahoo Message Number: 98844
I can't remember now how they did it. I do remember it was quite expensive as it took all day for them to get it done. The generator trouble shooting was also hard for them as they did not expect it to be the fuel line.

BVL

2003 Allure First Ave 30900

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Reply #11
Yahoo Message Number: 98845
No debris in my fuel filter before I changed the fuel lines.

Larry 03 Allure 30856

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Reply #12
Yahoo Message Number: 98846
I cut 4'X1.5' access panel in front bat to gain access to fuel tank fittings.  It was still a challange,  but can be done W/O dropping the tank.

Larry,  03 Allure 30856

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #13
Yahoo Message Number: 98849
Larry, I've looked at my bay wall facing the Diesel Tank and on the Diesel Tank side there are X Square Tubing supports, plus along the very Top running side to side of coach there is a Square Tubing member.

The Diesel Tank sets higher than the side to side tubing member as a result myself or a mechanic would have to have rubber hands and arms to accomplish getting to the tank fittings.

Question was your 2003 dated prior to the 1st Ave. Allure coming out in late 2002. If so it could have had a different set up than mine or Byron's.

Thanks, Mike 03 Allure 1st Ave. #30898

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #14
Yahoo Message Number: 98850
Mike,  mine was delivered to original owner in July of 02. I have similar square tubing that worked around carefully with electric jig-type hand saw. I had friend with long arms to reach fittings at front of tank to remove old hose. That was the easy part.  Getting back on was much more challenging.  We ended up making a long-reach tool from an old cue stick,  tape and hose clamp and were able to force the new tight-fitting hose over the tank fitting.  I think most of the chassis frames were the same though?

Larry 03 Allure 30856

 

Re: Hurricane Behavior

Reply #15
Yahoo Message Number: 98851
P. S. I used the square tubing structure t screw the panel back onto.

Larry