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Re: 50 Amp Shore Service

Reply #25 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14062
Air clearing number 2,

Folks, you have 240vac into your coach on plugin whether the neutral is making contact or not. As I mentioned in a previous response, the voltage on each leg can be different if the neutral is not connected, but plugs are make to prevent this. My biggest gripe with RV post outlets is they are mostly worn out and all contacts are poor leading to voltage drops and heating.
Fred Kovol

Satellite TV

Reply #26 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14332
Hello Everybody-

I've been lurking on the group here for awhile while I try to decide what brand and configuration of motorhome would be best for me to replace my current 5th wheel (which replaced my 1973 Travco). Still haven't made up my mind but I must say the support you give each other on this group is quite impressive and substantially better than the Monaco group.
I went to CES last week and saw something you all might be interested in. It is a low profile satellite TV dish receiver. Before I go any further let me say that I do not work for this company. I own an ISP in California which is why this caught my eye but I have no connection with the dish company whatsoever - nobody I know works there and I didn't even know about them until I wandered by their booth at CES.
You can see it at: http://www.raysat.us/products/speedray.asp They have a couple of pictures at this site.
Physically its profile reminded me of a round rooftop snowboard carrier - actually it more reminded me of the radar radome we had on the AWACS aircraft. They had the model sitting on top of a Ford Explorer and it covered most of the back half of the roof. But it only was about 6 inches high.
Inside was a rotating plate with three active element arrays. The plate (which reminded me of a big pizza pan) was about two feet in diameter - maybe slightly less. The individual arrays were rectangular - maybe 5 inches by slightly less than two feet. The plate could rotate so as to set azimuth and the individual arrays pivoted so as to set elevation.
They also had a smaller unit which has yet a lower profile but they only had the shell for display at CES so I couldn't see the interior workings. It uses the same pizza pan plate to rotate the arrays but the arrays are electronically, not mechanically aimed. Any of you who worked in aerospace well know the concept of electronically directed arrays.
They also advertised an option of a fourth array you could put on the rotating plate which would allow you to transmit to a satellite and thus replace these large motosat antennas some of you use.

In theory these are supposed to be capable of use while in motion.
I don't have any technical information on them - i.e. antenna gain, beamwidth and so forth. I think the larger one is available now but the smaller one they said wouldn't be available until 2006 some time. No - I don't know the pricing.
Nor do I know if they really work. Of course the sales folks at CES said they worked well but that is what I would have expected from them.
IF these things actually do work well, they are perfect for RV roofs. The profile is substantially lower than anything I've seen so far.
If anybody has one, please let us know how it performs. The concept is great but sometimes a great concept don't translate well to application. Time will tell on this one. Look for these things to start showing up on RV's.

Cheers,

Gerry

Re: Satellite TV

Reply #27 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14336
Hi Gerry,

I also saw the Raysat antenna, but in the same hall was Wineguard(sp?) - had a similiar pancake antenna (multiple, phase array, plates).
Also, Delphi was showing a multi antenna for Wifi, cell phome, GPS, and salellite - it's on the Mercedes Benz and soon on the BMW.
Fred Kovol

Re: Satellite TV

Reply #28 –
Yahoo Message Number: 30172

Assuming DirecTV: If you don't have a phone connection they can get snippy because they might lose payment for a PPV movie, etc.
I have been successful in avoiding this two ways. I leave a receiver at home hooked to the phone and/or tell them which receivers/cards are installed permanently in the rig or we take with us. They can send a signal which disables the PPVselection capability to those not attached to a phone. If you want to watch something while on the road call them and you can get it for an additional fee on top of the basic PPV fee or go on line as we do and order it. When you do the latter all your receivers will get the PPV program.

Bob Handren

'05 Country Coach Inspire 51178
'00 JGCL

Re: Satellite TV

Reply #29 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40969
Lee,

Just had a new Motosat HD satellite dish installed on my coach with the 5 LNBs by Dale Morris of DMS Satellite. He did a great job and everything works great. Best part of the whole deal was that his cost was $1995.00 installed plus he gave me a trde-in of $200.00 for my old single head Motostat for a net cost of $1795.00. This was done while I was in Junction City. He was supposed to be a vendor at the rally but his newborn grandson needed open heart surgury. Since we had already set up an appt. for the rally he stopped off at Junction City and did mine. He is highly recommended by many coach owners. Just for fun I checked at the rally and both Advanced satellite and Sound Sensations quoted $2600.00 for the same thing.
Check his website at dmsrvsatellite.com. He told me he would be in the southwest for the winter.

Oh, by the way we use Dish Network and are very satisfied. As for the in motion satellite system, if you were at the rally you would have heard about the lady that was killed when the coach she was in blew a tire and she was thrown thru the front window when the bus rolled over. The bus ended up on top of her, killing her instantly.
She was seated in the passenger seat without a seat belt on. My wife now thinks twice about leaving her seat.
John and Merilee Flynn
2005 Allure 31143

Re: Satellite TV

Reply #30 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40970
Some confusion here. I did not do the original inquiry about DISH vs DirecTV but was one of the respondents along the way. I already have a Motosat HD satellite dish installed on my coach with the 5 LNBs and 2 HD receivers. We've used DirectTV for 8 years and are too invested in hardware to consider switching. I've not seen a compelling case for one over the other - guess that's why they're both thriving. IMHO the whole DTV/DISH thing is like Fords or Chevys; Verizon or ATT - a fruitless debate, just go with how you are inclined. But that is one thing that is great about America - free choice!
I do agree that anyone wanting the TV on while driving is asking for trouble.

Lee

Re: Satellite TV

Reply #31 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40996
Hi:

Thank you to all that responded to my Dish Vs. Direct question. I guess each is OK. I do not want moving TV. I will use a MotoSat 500 unless some on gives me something else to think about. Now...the question: Will Direct or Dish service the units (bedroom/front tv) in the coach?

Bob

2007, Allure 470

50 amp shore service

Reply #32 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13988
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However, while 60 amps on one leg and 53 amps on the other leg will produce 7 amps on the neutral, the example would have been better with 50 amps and 43 amps -- because each leg is protected with a 50 amp breaker which would have tripped in your example.
Correct you are. I should not have exampled with currents over circuit capacity. 50 & 43 amps in hot legs is much more possible.

 As I have posted before on this forum: 30A service is ONE 30A 120V circuit (being shared by two legs in the coach using the 50A-30A adapter which splits the one circuit to both legs). 50A service is TWO 50A 120V circuits (one for each leg in the coach). If evenly balanced, 50A provides a total equivalent of 100A, vs the 30A -- there 333% more power with 50A service. This is a good trivia question in camp.

This is more than trivia. We burnt the neutral leg open in 1987. Before we understood why the coach appliances were performing oddly, the dog got shocked. Dog usually jumped to lower step, no problem. When she stepped up, without jumping, her body connected hot coach chassis to ground. Dog was very loud & afraid of coach for a while.

Eric Elliott
5 Inspire 51321

50 Amp Shore Power

Reply #33 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14066
Without checking current electrical code, I am sure a new 50 amp receptacle for whatever purpose is required to have a disconnect switch at receptacle.
A breaker is a switch & possible the least expensive switch. Did your electrician satisfy code?

In two recent cases at my house, having breakers within 20' & within 10 feet did not satisfy code, switches were required with replacement equipment.
The surge suppressor in my CC isolates shore power 2 minutes, so no power on surge is possible. We have occasionally switched to & from genset & shore power without losing any appliance function.

Re: 50 Amp Shore Power

Reply #34 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14068
Home Depot carries RV style weatherproof outlet boxes for either 30 Amp or 50 Amp Receptacles complete with circuit breakers and a 15 Amp, 120 volt duplex outlet. Less than $100. I have one on the power pole next to my driveway and it is very convenient.

Dave

2000 Allure 36'

#30444 Blt. Sept. 99
 

Re: 50 Amp Shore Power

Reply #35 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14073
Eric,

We have a new RV house in florida with a 2200 SF garage with 2 sets of full hook up including two 50 amp outlets. The nearest circuit breaker is in the main panel on the garage wall 30 feet away, but I am going to start turning it off before I plug in. Never thought about that until now. Do it all the time in campgrounds so why not at home.

Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425