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> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the electrical > system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated

driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel with > grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are

of the same modifications out there.
Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit

off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory

the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and

that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV

down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the TV > circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine wave > unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave units.
My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem. I

> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the electrical > system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated

driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel with > grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are thousands > of the same modifications out there.
Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit

off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory

the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and found > that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV

down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the TV > circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine wave > unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave units.
My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem. I

We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv

the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid the

lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow? >

Kary

05 Inspire 36'
#51499

[quote author=jjakenancy"

>

> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the

system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated > while

> driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel

grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are > thousands

> of the same modifications out there.
> Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit > shuts

> off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory > check

> the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and > found

> that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV > shuts

> down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the

circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine

unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave

My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem.

have

> changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory and

We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv

the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid the

lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow? >

Kary

05 Inspire 36'
#51499

[quote author=jjakenancy"

>

> I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the

system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated > while

> driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel

grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are > thousands

> of the same modifications out there.
> Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32" unit > shuts

> off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts down > > varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory > check

> the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and > found

> that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the TV > shuts

> down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the

circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine

unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave

My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem.

have

> changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory and

r />]
jjakenancy?

I met a fellow at the class reunion that had the same problem. He had disabled his front TV by cutting or disconnecting the 12vdc lead into the lock out box and it worked fine for about 3-4 hours. Sounds like that's you!!! Hi. I thought you had figured that the 120V through the lock out relay was the problem and that you got it fixed. What happened?

Your class reunion neighbor

Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

What do you do for seat belts in the rear??

Quote from: kary993"

>

> We have the large tv up front also and have kids. They watch tv > in

> the bedroom while traveling. Maybe your modification to avoid

the

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tv

> lock out while driving has changed the circuitry somehow? > >

> Kary

> 05 Inspire 36'
> #51499
>
>
>

[quote author=jjakenancy"
>]
> >

> > I have 2006 Inspire that we are having problems with the > electrical

> > system. I have modified the front TV so that it can be operated > > while

> > driving. Now I know this is against the law, but if you travel > with

> > grandkids and they need to be amused on those long days, you > > > understand the importance of this mod. I am sure there are > > thousands

> > of the same modifications out there.
> > Anyway back to the problem. My front TV, a Panasonic HD 32"

unit

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shuts

> > off after a period of time while driving. The time it shuts

down

Quote

> varies, but it usually takes about 1-3 hours. I had the factory > > check

> > the output of the inverter, after many calls and pleading, and > > found

> > that the inverter voltage spikes to 128 volts, thats when the

TV

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shuts

> > down. Seems that there is a built in voltage protector for the > TV

> > circuit. This is all due to the inverter being a modified sine > wave

> > unit. All other models of Country Coach use Pure Sine wave > units.

> > My question to all is has anyone else experienced this problem.
I

> have

> > changed the inverter out to a brand new one from the factory

and

That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we finally

Hi Jake,

Consider two approaches.

1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter.
2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the more > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use

extensively. Click on these links: > >http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm > >http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm >

They may be your best bet.
Fred Kovol

Quote from: Jake"[/quote

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>]
>

> That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we

finally

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found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They agreed

that

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it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer,

couldn't

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put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got it > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts.

Thanks

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for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
>

A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that

trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage conditions.
Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.

You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units on > our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will tolerate > short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if you > want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I

ship to you to try (you pay shipping).

This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing of > the inverter mfg before adding anything however.

Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ? >

John and Terry
2005 Affinity

[quote author=fredkovol"

>

> Hi Jake,

> Consider two approaches.

> 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter.
> 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the

expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use > them

> extensively. Click on these links: > >

>http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm > >

>http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm > >

> They may be your best bet.
> Fred Kovol
>
>
>

[quote author=Jake"

>]
> >

> > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > finally

> found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They agreed > that

> it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > couldn't

> put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got

installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts.
Thanks

> for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
> >

> Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just paid > a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach and I > feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the only > coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and states > it will not honor any warranty due to this situation.
I am looking for other owners who have experience this situation or > would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed,

traveling.

[quote author=John"

>

> A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, > > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what > > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that > will

> trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage

Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.
>

> You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units

our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a > > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty > > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will

short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if

want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I > could

> ship to you to try (you pay shipping).
>

> This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current > > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing

the inverter mfg before adding anything however.
>

> Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ? > >

> John and Terry
> 2005 Affinity
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[quote author=fredkovol"
>]
> >

> > Hi Jake,

> > Consider two approaches.

> > 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter.
> > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the > more

> > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use > > them

> > extensively. Click on these links: > > >

> >http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm > > >

> >http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm > > >

> > They may be your best bet.
> > Fred Kovol
> >
> >
> >

[quote author=Jake"
>
> >]
> > >

> > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > > finally

> > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They

that

> > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > > couldn't

> > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got > it

> > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts.
> Thanks

> > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
> > >

> Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just paid > a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach and I > feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the only > coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and states > it will not honor any warranty due to this situation.
I am looking for other owners who have experience this situation or > would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed,

traveling.

[quote author=John"

>

> A spike filter will only work for very short voltage trancients, > > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon what > > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors that > will

> trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage

Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.
>

> You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola units

our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of a > > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a pretty > > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will

short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if

want some more help here, I might even have one laying around I > could

> ship to you to try (you pay shipping).
>

> This may not be a practical solution depending upon the current > > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the blessing

the inverter mfg before adding anything however.
>

> Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ? > >

> John and Terry
> 2005 Affinity
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[quote author=fredkovol"
>]
> >

> > Hi Jake,

> > Consider two approaches.

> > 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter.
> > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack, the > more

> > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks use > > them

> > extensively. Click on these links: > > >

> >http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm > > >

> >http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm > > >

> > They may be your best bet.
> > Fred Kovol
> >
> >
> >

[quote author=Jake"
>
> >]
> > >

> > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > > finally

> > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They

that

> > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > > couldn't

> > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just got > it

> > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going nuts.
> Thanks

> > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
> > >

] > > I's amazing that CC can keep finding people who will spend around a

million bucks to buy their products and then stand still for having

of the problems they have which in many cases actually render the

unusable. They must sit around in the boardroom laughing their

off ;-)
Ron 98 Allure 30185

kary993 wrote:

> Absolutely feel your pain about spending a lot of money only to

something does not work. I can only add that you need to be > > persistent with CCI if you want resolution.
>

> We got to some resolution on a large towing issue but it took many > > months and many phone calls. We are now in the middle of

issue with the leveling system that is going on three weeks of

time. Our previous down time for the engine and towing issue was

weeks. Add that to our current down time and 2 months of the 6 > > months we have owned this coach has been down time. That is 1/3

the time for those that are not counting....
>

> So while I feel your pain at least you can use your coach. We

missed three trips so far that were planned because we could not

our coach. Not having a TV while driving is annoying, but not > > critical.
>

> Kary

> 05 Inspire 36'
> #51499
>
>

[quote author=jjakenancy"
>]
> >

> > Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have just

> a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country Coach

> feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is the

> coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter. The > > > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and

> it will not honor any warranty due to this situation.
> > I am looking for other owners who have experience this

> would like to be able to use the in-motion system as designed, > > while

> > traveling.
> >

[quote author=John"
> >]
> > >

> > > A spike filter will only work for very short voltage

> > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends upon

> > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage monitors

> will

> > > trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage > > conditions.

> > > Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.
> > >

> > > You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola

on

> > > our machines. They basically store energy in the windings of

> > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a

> > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will > > tolerate

> > > short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email me if > > you

> > > want some more help here, I might even have one laying around

> could

> > > ship to you to try (you pay shipping).
> > >

> > > This may not be a practical solution depending upon the

> > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the

of

> > > the inverter mfg before adding anything however.
> > >

> > > Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ? > > > >

> > > John and Terry
> > > 2005 Affinity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

[quote author=fredkovol"
> > >]
> > > >

> > > > Hi Jake,

> > > > Consider two approaches.
> > > > 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter.
> > > > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio Shack,

> more

> > > > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio folks

> > them

> > > > extensively. Click on these links: > > > > >

> > > >http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm > > > > >

> > > >http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm > > > > >

> > > > They may be your best bet.
> > > > Fred Kovol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

[quote author=Jake"
> > >
> > > >]
> > > > >

> > > > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's and we > > > > finally

> > > > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter. They > > agreed
> > > that

> > > > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my dealer, > > > > couldn't

> > > > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I just

> it

> > > > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am going

> > Thanks

> > > > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
> > > > >

] >

You may not be and that is a good thing, however apparently there

many out there who won't or don't object to problems that border on

ridiculous and it is not just CC although many pay a premium for a > product they believe is superior only to have the same problems

owner of an entry level pusher has.
Smart rv consumers NEVER buy a brand new coach. ;-) > Ron 98 Allure 30185

kary993 wrote:

> What makes you think I am standing still about my issues? > >
>
>

[quote author=Ron Schonscheck
>]
> >

> > I's amazing that CC can keep finding people who will spend

1/4

> > million bucks to buy their products and then stand still for

some

> > of the problems they have which in many cases actually render

units

> > unusable. They must sit around in the boardroom laughing their > > asses
> > off ;-)

> > Ron 98 Allure 30185
> >
> >
> >

> > kary993 wrote:
> >

> > > Absolutely feel your pain about spending a lot of money only

find

> > > something does not work. I can only add that you need to be > > > > persistent with CCI if you want resolution.
> > >

> > > We got to some resolution on a large towing issue but it took

> > months and many phone calls. We are now in the middle of > > battling an

> > > issue with the leveling system that is going on three weeks of > > down

> > > time. Our previous down time for the engine and towing issue

5

> > > weeks. Add that to our current down time and 2 months of the

> > months we have owned this coach has been down time. That is

of

> > > the time for those that are not counting....
> > >

> > > So while I feel your pain at least you can use your coach. We > > have

> > > missed three trips so far that were planned because we could

use

> > > our coach. Not having a TV while driving is annoying, but not > > > > critical.
> > >

> > > Kary

> > > 05 Inspire 36'
> > > #51499
> > >
> > >

[quote author=jjakenancy"
> > >]
> > > >

> > > > Well all of the solutions would probably work, but I have

paid

> > > > a large sum of money for a nes state of the art Country

and I

> > > > feel that this problem should be addressed by CC. This is

only

> > > > coach in the line that uses a modified sinewave inverter.

> > > warranty on the TV is very specific about voltage spikes and > > states

> > > > it will not honor any warranty due to this situation.
> > > > I am looking for other owners who have experience this > > situation or

> > > > would like to be able to use the in-motion system as

> > while
> > > > traveling.
> > > >

Quote from: John"[/quote

Quote

> > >]
> > > > >

> > > > > A spike filter will only work for very short voltage > > trancients,

> > > > > microseconds, like during a lightening strike. Depends

upon

Quote

what

> > > > > your inverter is doing. YOu can also buy voltage

monitors

Quote

that
> > > > will

> > > > > trip and light an LED for overvoltage or undervoltage > > > > conditions.

> > > > > Not real expensive but they don't solve the problem.
> > > > >

> > > > > You might get by with a voltage conditioner. We use Sola > > units
> > > on

> > > > > our machines. They basically store energy in the

windings of

Quote

a

> > > > > transformer and will take 85 to 130 volts in, and give a > > pretty

> > > > > clean, harmonically neutralized 120 volts out. They will > > > > tolerate

> > > > > short interuptions in power also, several cycles. Email

me if

Quote

> > you

> > > > > want some more help here, I might even have one laying

around

Quote

I
> > > > could

> > > > > ship to you to try (you pay shipping).
> > > > >

> > > > > This may not be a practical solution depending upon the > > current

> > > > > required, as large ones get very hot. I would get the > > blessing
> > > of

> > > > > the inverter mfg before adding anything however.
> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe its a heat buildup problem in the TV ? > > > > > >

> > > > > John and Terry
> > > > > 2005 Affinity
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

[quote author=fredkovol"
> > > > >]
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Jake,

> > > > > > Consider two approaches.
> > > > > > 1. Expensive - install a sine wave inverter.
> > > > > > 2. Cheap - install a spike filter. Start with Radio

Shack,

Quote

the
> > > > more

> > > > > > expensive 6 outlet strips have filters, the Ham radio

folks

Quote

use
> > > > > them

> > > > > > extensively. Click on these links: > > > > > > >

> > > > > >http://www.elect-spec.com/wire_inz.htm > > > > > > >

> > > > > >http://www.kalglo.com/s-spiker.htm > > > > > > >

> > > > > > They may be your best bet.
> > > > > > Fred Kovol
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

[quote author=Jake"
> > > > >
> > > > > >]
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That was me, I spent another 6 days with the tech's

and we

Quote

> > > > finally

> > > > > > found the problem. Voltage spikes from the inverter.

They

Quote

> > agreed
> > > > > that

> > > > > > it was the problem, arranged to have one sent to my

dealer,

Quote

> > > > couldn't

> > > > > > put it in at the factory because they were to busy. I

just

Quote

got
> > > > it

> > > > > > installed to day and guess what, same problem. I am

going

Quote

nuts.
> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > for writing and hope to see you at the next rally.
> > > > > > >