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Replacing side windows

Yahoo Message Number: 19350
I will soon be replacing all the side windows on the driver side.
First, it appears, the valances and the day/night blinds must be removed. Looking for some "been there, done that" help.

Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19369
Lyle,

Are your windows giving you a problem?? In other words, are they defective or have they been damaged in some way? If there is some defect I would be interested so I can inspect my coach also. Thanks

Kevin

05 Intrigue

Quote from: Lyle Wetherholt

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19370
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Kevin,

No, not a window defect. We were sandblasted in CA. A couple of downbursts on a windy day left the windows in bad shape. So far we have replaced the windshields, had the side and front glass in the toad replaced, re-painted the driver side of the toad and are now waiting for driver side windows for the coach. The coach paint did well. A few specks here and there but not near enough to think about painting it. The problem is how to remove blinds and existing windows in order to install new. I can't figure out how to de-mount the blinds in order to get to the screws that hold the two window halfs together. Same for the valances that cover the blinds.

Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19451
Joe,

Are the cracks from stress? In one of our previous coaches, we kept having the windshields crack. Had it to the factory several times and finally they discovered the front cap was positioned wrong. Once they got it on correctly the dash fit better and no more cracks from stress. Just couldn't re-direct the rocks LOL.

Sue

'05, 42' Allure 31254

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19477
Sue,

Stress!! Front cap not fit properly. Need to remove cap and shim accordingly. Other units (one up) having same problem. When built cap is flat on ground, then window fit, placed on front of coach and forced into place to get proper fit. Results, stress. Cracked windows.

Joe

2005 Intrigue 11876

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19478
Joe, our coach number is only 4 less than yours but so far the window is fine. How many miles before your cracks appeared?

Bob

'05 Intrigue Ovation #11872

Quote from: Joseph Stevener\[br\
] >

Sue,

Stress!! Front cap not fit properly. Need to remove cap and shim
accordingly. Other units (one up) having same problem. When built cap is flat on ground, then window fit, placed on front of coach and forced into place to get proper fit. Results, stress. Cracked windows.

Quote
Joe

2005 Intrigue 11876

Sue wrote:
Joe,

Are the cracks from stress? In one of our previous coaches,

we

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kept having the windshields crack. Had it to the factory several > times and finally they discovered the front cap was positioned > wrong. Once they got it on correctly the dash fit better and no

more

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cracks from stress. Just couldn't re-direct the rocks LOL.
Sue

'05, 42' Allure 31254

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19479
Sorry to hear that! I guess it can happen in any brand. We found out that the cap on the SOB was twisted in the middle to attach it. When looking at the windshield gasket (it had 2 windshield with a gasket down the middle and around the whole opening) it was straight horizontally as well as vertically. But when you went outside and looked at the lower part of the cap it was twisted more to one side than the other. Once they got it all straight, all was ok.
What is CC doing to help you with this?

Sue

'05, 42' Allure 31254

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19484
Bob,

About 10,000. Question! Have you had the Chance to use your heat pumps? All three of mine are freezing up after about three hours of use. That means I have to use the hydro hot system, and now the next door people are starting to complain about the noise to the park owners. When your Hydro hot system cycles dose it sound like a jet ready to take off?

Joe

2005 Intrigue
11876

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19487
Joe,

There is a recall on the hydro hot. I think it is on the burner assembly. I had mine done at Buddy Gregg last month. I think it might have made the diesel burner a little quieter. There is a danger of fire if the recall is not accomplished. I write this here in the forum only because I never received my recall notice, I just heard it word of mouth and called Hydro Hot.

Also, I haven't had any windshield problems in 11400 miles.

Kevin

05 Intrigue 11886

[quote author=Joseph
Stevener

>

> Sue,
>

> Stress!! Front cap not fit properly. Need to > remove cap and shim

accordingly. Other units (one up) having same > problem. When built

cap is flat on ground, then window fit, placed on > front of coach and

forced into place to get proper fit. Results, > stress. Cracked
windows.
>
> Joe

> 2005 Intrigue 11876
>

> Sue wrote:
> Joe,

> Are the cracks from stress? In one of our > previous coaches,
we

> kept having the windshields crack. Had it to the > factory several

> times and finally they discovered the front cap > was positioned

> wrong. Once they got it on correctly the dash fit > better and no
more

> cracks from stress. Just couldn't re-direct the > rocks LOL.
> Sue

> '05, 42' Allure 31254
>
>
>

> [/quote]

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19488
Joe,

What kind of outside temperature are you operating in that is causing the heat pumps to freeze up and what do you have the thermostat set at. Just curious.

Kevin

05 Intrigue
11886

[quote author=Joseph
Stevener

>

> Sue,
>

> Stress!! Front cap not fit properly. Need to > remove cap and shim

accordingly. Other units (one up) having same > problem. When built

cap is flat on ground, then window fit, placed on > front of coach and

forced into place to get proper fit. Results, > stress. Cracked
windows.
>
> Joe

> 2005 Intrigue 11876
>

> Sue wrote:
> Joe,

> Are the cracks from stress? In one of our > previous coaches,
we

> kept having the windshields crack. Had it to the > factory several

> times and finally they discovered the front cap > was positioned

> wrong. Once they got it on correctly the dash fit > better and no
more

> cracks from stress. Just couldn't re-direct the > rocks LOL.
> Sue

> '05, 42' Allure 31254
>
>
>

> [/quote]

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19490
Kevie,

We had Hydro hot take care of that in June. Asked about the noise, told us it was normal. Find that hard to believe, 2005 unable to make a circulatory pump that is not quiet. This one makes about 50% more noise then most that I have checked. Louder then the Generator.

Joe

2005 Intrigue 11876

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19491
Yes, when on diesel. I think the unit we have in our Allure is a bit quieter than on our previous coach. Electric is quiet, but not as efficient.
Be sure to get the recall done on the burner tube. Ours was melted in 1/2 on the sob and when we took delivery of our new ('05) Allure I asked that it be checked out and done if necessary before we left the dealer since we didn't know how new the HH was. Turns out it needed the recall as well.

Sue

'05, 42' Allure 31254

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19492
Yes, we use the heat pumps all the time and they work fine. We use them down to about 50 degrees then they aren't very efficient. The hydro-hot does sound like a jet engine but not really a lot noisier than the coaches with two Suburban furnaces going. We've got 14000 on our coach.
Bob

'05 Intrigue Ovation #11872

Quote from: Joseph Stevener\[br\
] >

Bob,

About 10,000. Question! Have you had the Chance to use your heat
pumps? All three of mine are freezing up after about three hours of use. That means I have to use the hydro hot system, and now the next door people are starting to complain about the noise to the park owners. When your Hydro hot system cycles dose it sound like a jet ready to take off?

Re: Electric Heat

Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19495
We were in Florida last week looking for a place to stay Jan. and Feb, and the first question we were asked is what kind of coach do you have. When we told them a CC they immediately wanted to know if we had electric heat. Apparently the word is out that CC coaches with electric heat under the floor consume massive amounts of electricity. Lot owners are now telling coach owners they have to pay their own utilities.

--- Sue bnsrv@...> wrote:

Quote
Yes, when on diesel. I think the unit we have > in our Allure is

a bit quieter than on our previous coach. Electric > is quiet, but not
as efficient.

Be sure to get the recall done on the burner > tube. Ours was

melted in 1/2 on the sob and when we took delivery > of our new ('05)

Allure I asked that it be checked out and done if > necessary before we

left the dealer since we didn't know how new the HH > was. Turns out

it needed the recall as well.
Sue

'05, 42' Allure 31254

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19500
Joe, under similar conditions I run the floor heat and the elctric element in the Hydrohot. Between the two my coach is comfy down to about 40 degrees. I only run the diesel boiler if it is colder or if I am not plugged in. Have you tried the electric element alone without the diesel? It might work for you as it does for me.

George in Birmingham
'04 Allure 31038

Quote from: Joseph Stevener\[br\
] >

Kevin,

Outside temp 55, stat set at 68.

Joe

2005 Intrigue 11876

Kevin Holmes wrote:
Joe,

What kind of outside temperature are you operating in > that is causing the heat pumps to freeze up and what > do you have the thermostat set at. Just curious.

Kevin

05 Intrigue
11886

[quote author=Joseph
> Stevener
>]
> >

> > Sue,
> >

> > Stress!! Front cap not fit properly. Need to > > remove cap and shim

> accordingly. Other units (one up) having same > > problem. When built

> cap is flat on ground, then window fit, placed on > > front of coach and

> forced into place to get proper fit. Results, > > stress. Cracked
> windows.
> >
> > Joe

> > 2005 Intrigue 11876
> >

> > Sue wrote:
> > Joe,

> > Are the cracks from stress? In one of our > > previous coaches,
> we

> > kept having the windshields crack. Had it to the > > factory several

> > times and finally they discovered the front cap > > was positioned

> > wrong. Once they got it on correctly the dash fit > > better and no
> more

> > cracks from stress. Just couldn't re-direct the > > rocks LOL.
> > Sue

> > '05, 42' Allure 31254
> >
> >
> >

> >
George in Birmingham
2003 Magna 6298

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19506
Joe

Finally I find someone that agrees with me that the HydroHot sounds like living at the end of an airport runway. We workamp most of the time and I have been close to having to ask people to leave the park because of the noise. Fortunately it was in warmer climates and I was able to explain that the HydroHot is quite effective at producing hot water and limited heat down into the 40 deg on electric. One new Magna owner was told at delivery to just leave it on diesel and forget about it. He had no idea that it would work on electric. Problem was solved but there are times when the outside temps will make using the diesel a must. Another problem with the HydroHot is it is not very efficient and produces what I consider excessive exhaust fumes. If you want to get kicked out of a campground in a hurry just spend a night next to a pop-up or tent in colder climates. If the noise don't get them then the smell will. I have been told by CC, HydroHot and other owners that no one has ever complained before but I don't believe it. Note that the only complaint about the 42 ft Allure in the Feb issue of Motor Home Magazine's review was the noise of the HydroHot.
First about your heat pumps. Are you aware that once the outside temp drops below a certain level (somewhere in the low 40s but I forget the exact number) the heat pumps will go into a defrost cycle every 20 minutes? This is true for the Dometic units but I can only guess that some similar process must happen with the Colemans. The fan shuts down and the unit reverses flow for a few minutes and then starts up again. This could give the illusion that the unit has frozen up and something is wrong. What symptoms are telling you that the units have frozen up?
My HydroHot doesn't sound like a jet any more. If you are interested in what I have done contact me off line via email. Please use the email listed below and not my group address.

Thanks,

Don Seager

2004 Allure 31046

dseager@...

Re: Hydro Hot----- was:Replacing side windows

Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19509
Please change the subject line on this discussion. Interested to hear what is discussed about windows, but not hydro hot.

Thanks

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: Kevin\[br\
Holmes]

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #19 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19511
Bob,

There are some units when the burn circulatory pump, when the radiator circulatory pumps shut down, produces a loud squealing noise. What we have found, when the Hydro-hot unit was positioned into the bay, it was forced up next to the fiberglass protector for the black and/or gray tanks. So when the pump turns on the vibrations are transmitted up throughout the tanks, floor and cabinets, which make for good acoustic transmitters. Unfortunately, Per CC there is no room in-order to relocate the unit. In there defense, they sent me some sound deaden material to install.
We run the floor elemints set at 85, along with the electric element on the Hydro-hot. Only good to about 50.

Pls advise,
Joe

2005 Intrigue 11876

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #21 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19524
I own a 40' Allure. About two years ago my drivers side windshield suddenly developed a "stress?" crack in the upper left near the corner. Country Coach in essence said "tough luck". Crack happened when I drove into a service station that had a noticable incline. Said crack has gotten worse over time. Because this crack was not caused by a rock or some such, I feel I can't really ask my insurance company to pay for a new windshield. My question, is there a history of windshield cracking problems on Country Coaches manufactured at about the same time as mine? And Joe , who paid for your last three windshields, CC or you? Yank 2000 Allure 30547

Re: Replacing side windows

Reply #22 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19528
Right now CC has been paying. If they will continue time will tell.

Joe

2005 Intrigue 11876

Re: Hydro Hot----- was:Replacing side windows

Reply #23 –
Yahoo Message Number: 19556
Joe,

Works great for if you receive through email, but not for reading posts through web site.
Jim

Quote from: Joseph Stevener\[br\
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Jim,

Delete key.

Joe

Jim Hughes wrote:

Please change the subject line on this discussion. Interested to

hear

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what is discussed about windows, but not hydro hot.

Thanks
Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511
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