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Cegi fogged window trouble

Yahoo Message Number: 30298
Toll window is name of window to left of coach driver. Main part of toll window turned gray in a year, gradually getting worse. Near end of second year of coach, we informed CC of failed window.
Southwest RV : FreedomRoads Southwest RV Centers of Katy, Texas installed a new defective toll window. Small glass section of window was fogged when installed. Coach now has 31 months & replacement of second toll window has just been approved. Failure of toll window may be treated differently due to requirement for driver to have no impairment of visibility.
Cegi window warranty is now reduced to 12 months. New window will have now warranty beyond that of first window. It is likely a new window will fail soon as original window did. I hope the second replacement is better than first replacement.
Thanks to Buddy Gregg, Knoxville TN for getting toll window warranty replacement approval after it was first denied.
Thanks also to Buddy Gregg, for body work & paint done.
No thanks to Southwest RV for installation of defective window & none for sorry installation. Window was not fitted correctly, expanding foam was used & sealant was smeared on outside of coach for 4" beyond window frame. Now the foam is expanding thru the sealant outside coach. 20 little white balls of foam at edge of window frame are not pretty. Inside coach the wall covering is wrinkled due to window fitting.
We expected warranty replacement of window to include labor, not to pay over $200.
Inspect your slides for bubbles in paint. If you have plastic covers on corners of slides, look for concealed paint damage. So far we have damage on 3 of 3 slides due to paint separating from metal caps along edges of slide. Per Buddy Gregg technicians, any paint repairs we have done now will not reduce future paint bubbles.

Eric Lee Elliott

5 Inspire Genoa 51321

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30314
Eric I'm not suprised that buddy greg of knoxville would say that.
They sure ruined my paint job. Bubbles where I never had them do to poor preparation in imho. It looks like they had no clue how to put the texture on the front. After they installed the shield on the front Summit Products spent 3 hours correcting their screw ups. Summit Products didn't even charge me for the time they spent. Now That's a great company. I have lost a lot of respect for the body shop at buddy greg's that's for sure. They also repared a door that is coming apart after 5 months. I'm glad others have had good luck with them but that has not been my experience.
Rich

97 Affinity

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30316
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Toll window is name of window to left of coach driver. Main part of > toll window turned gray in a year, gradually getting worse.
Do you have 3 sections to your window, the large one, the sliding one, and the smaller one left of the sliding one? So your large one failed?

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window has just been approved. Failure of toll window may be > treated differently due to requirement for driver to have no > impairment of visibility.
Which part is considered the toll window - all 3 parts? Mine is just fogged on the smaller area left of the sliding one. I've been denied once already.

I've thought about seeing if a auto glass company could replace just that little window. Does anyone know if that is possible?

Pati Mah

2005 Allure #31287

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30319
Lots of talk about Se-Gi dual pane window failures, with no cure in sight...
Someone suggested drilling holes in the glass to vent the moisture which is responsible for the "graying" or clouding. I'm wondering if a couple holes drilled into the rubber seal around the margin would allow for enough venting to keep the windows clear. Would have to be drilled so water couldn't enter from rain or a good washing though.
If I had a dual pane up front that was going to be a continual problem, I'd consider replacing with a single pane if thickness weren't a showstopper. The thermal and acoustical benefits of dual pane are really marginal, and the entire front cab is usually uninsulated anyway because of the windshield and little bulkhead treatment other than sealing airholes.
Got a defective Se-Gi vent window in storage that I'd be tempted to reseal, but if Se-Gi can't pull it off I don't see how I could.

Just some thoughts...

Bill & Debbie in San Diego

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30320
I have dried out the inside with success.
Need to be in a dry climate when you drill the holes.
1/8" to 3/16" works.. But be VERY careful of not hitting the glass as it is tempered and WILL break if you nick or hit the edge.
The more holes the better as they are easy to seal up after it dries out.
Drill in the butyl sealant around the edge and just wait for the moisture to evaporate.

A couple of things:

You can NOT drill in the glass. Tempered will just shatter.
Letting the panel sit in the hot sun will help.
Pushing very dry compressed air into one of the holes will speed up the process.
I have used a compressor before.

The trick is DRY air so check the ambient humidity,
After you are done you can use a quality butyl sealant to fill the holes.
A good idea is to put a fresh coat all around glass.

BTW This was done in residential door panels not our coach.
No reason why it shouldn't work on SE-GI, too

Russ

05 Intrigue
11883

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30321
The passenger side window of my Southwind was dangerously foggy to warranty an insurance claim of $1200 repair, and three weeks freight from Fleetwoods Factory - had a local glass shop replace it with a single pane in less than three hours for $200.

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30326
You could use 'canned air' to fill window with dry air to speed drying. The tube that comes with it would work very well in a small hole.
--- Russ Glines russg@...> wrote:

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I have dried out the inside with success.

Need to be in a dry climate when you drill the > holes.

1/8" to 3/16" works.. But be VERY careful of not > hitting the glass as it

is tempered and WILL break if you nick or hit the > edge.

The more holes the better as they are easy to seal > up after it dries
out.

Drill in the butyl sealant around the edge and just > wait for the

moisture to evaporate.

A couple of things:

You can NOT drill in the glass. Tempered will just > shatter.

Letting the panel sit in the hot sun will help.

Pushing very dry compressed air into one of the > holes will speed up the
process.

I have used a compressor before.

The trick is DRY air so check the ambient humidity, >

After you are done you can use a quality butyl > sealant to fill the
holes.

A good idea is to put a fresh coat all around glass.

BTW This was done in residential door panels not our > coach.

No reason why it shouldn't work on SE-GI, too >

Russ

05 Intrigue

11883

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ddtuttle

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2000 Allure #30443

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Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30342
Hi:

I had that problem with my 2003, Intrigue, First Avenue. CC replaced it at the factory under warranty. No trouble with my 2007 yet.

Bob

Re: Cegi fogged window trouble

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Yahoo Message Number: 30343
I don't think I would drill any holes in the glass unless the seal is totally compromised. I am not sure how the dual pane windows are fabricated exactly. If they follow the same process as some home type dual pane windows, the space has a vacuum pulled on it and then back filled with argon gas and sealed. This keeps the glass clear.

I have had several SI-GI windows with the so called creeping seals.
I have replaced only one of them because of the moisture getting between the panes of glass. I took the window I removed to a friend of mine who works for a local home window fabricator. He showed me how the window was constructed. The so called creeping seal you see between the pains of glass is actually a spacer that keeps the pains of glass positioned while the glass is being sealed and framed with the alum channel that is around the edges. The signs of a seal failure is mositure or fogging between the glass panes. Until I see that evidence, I am not replacing the windows. Any drilling of the glass before actual seal failure is only asking for the moisture and fogging problems to begin.

I do wish SI-GI would change their design and use a metal spacer/seal combination like many of the home window fabricators use. It may be a cost decision in both material as well as tooling. I think that a local fabricator could build a replacemnt glass unit to replace the failed dual panes. Maybe some day I will pursue that and take the window I removed to a local fabricator and see if it is cost effective to consider.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: Bill Zucker

> Lots of talk about Se-Gi dual pane window failures, with no cure in

sight...

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Someone suggested drilling holes in the glass to vent the moisture
which is responsible for the "graying" or clouding. I'm wondering if a couple holes drilled into the rubber seal around the margin would allow for enough venting to keep the windows clear. Would have to be drilled so water couldn't enter from rain or a good washing though.

Quote
>

If I had a dual pane up front that was going to be a continual
problem, I'd consider replacing with a single pane if thickness weren't a showstopper. The thermal and acoustical benefits of dual pane are really marginal, and the entire front cab is usually uninsulated anyway because of the windshield and little bulkhead treatment other than sealing airholes.

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Got a defective Se-Gi vent window in storage that I'd be tempted to
reseal, but if Se-Gi can't pull it off I don't see how I could.

Quote
>

Just some thoughts...

Bill & Debbie in San Diego