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Camprounds Sierra Vista Ariz. ( Country Western Poetry Session )

Yahoo Message Number: 66688
We are attempting to make reservations in Sierra Vista Ariz. for the Country Western Poetry Session, for Feb. 10,11.12.13. Can anyone please recommend a couple RV Parks ? Apache Flats RV is already booked.

Stan Inspire 2005 51406

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Yahoo Message Number: 66719
Sierra Vista has a nice Elk's Lodge, about 10 to 12 spaces, electric and water, dump station close at a service station. Ya need to be an Elk to stay there but it's convenient. They also have good lunches and inexpensive drinks.

Judy n Joe

98 Intrigue 10578

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Yahoo Message Number: 66724
Stan Quail Run RV Resort in Arizona City has plenty of spaces. It is not to far of a ride to Apache Junction, and a nice park. They are on the internet.
Tom 2005 Inspire # 51177

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Yahoo Message Number: 67656
We will be going to a warmer weather. May I add chemical enzyme to the black tank with deordinant solution?? May I add water softner to help dissolve stuff on the walls of the black tank?

Stan 2005 Inspire 51406

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Yahoo Message Number: 67661
The deodorant works against the enzyme. Deodorant works by stopping the breakdown of material, i.e. killing bacteria. Try the enzyme, it stops order by a more efficient break down, i.e. encouraging good bacteria. It is by far the better way to go as some dump stations no longer allow the deodorant type because they stop a septic tank system from working at all, where the enzyme makes the septic system work better.

Yes you can add water softener but beware it may stop up your flush system. Maybe try a good strong dose of the enzyme first to work at cleaning the tank a couple of times before the softener. Another trick is to add ice cubes before a trip. Haven't tried it myself, but some recommend it. If you decide to try the softener, try to be someplace you can take the time to refill the tank and dump a second time until the water is clear. You want all the old stuff out when it is loosened up and not allowed to dry out and stick again. That is what can plug the flush nozzle.

Leonard Kerns 97' Magna 5418

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Yahoo Message Number: 67664
Leonard,

Thank You, do you have a specific enzyme product that seems to work the best ?

Stan Inspire 2005.51406

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Yahoo Message Number: 67672
The easiest to get is probably RidX at Walmart. Walmart has others in there RV section. Some depends on personnel preference. Another thing to note, there are check valves in the coach, one at each sink, that tends to let fumes in the coach when first starting to travel with stuff in the black tank. The solution is to remove them and replace with a screw cap to plug the pipes, if this has not been done. That stops the order coming in.

Leonard 97' Magna 5418

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Yahoo Message Number: 67675
Leonard,

I am anxious to check out the valves you are talking about. Our motorhome is in storage.
Thank You for all the information. I am going down to get some RidX

Stan Inspire 2005

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Yahoo Message Number: 67676
The check valves sometimes referred to as ventless vents are placed at those traps that it is not possible to install through-the-roof vents stacks. Code dictates how far away from the trap a vent must be placed. The vent allows air to enter the pipe but it should not allow air to escape. By letting air into the pipe it breaks the vacuum that forms in the drain pipe when water travels down it on the way to the holding tank. Without this venting action the draining water may pull the water out of the trap now allowing the trap itself to vent odors and gasses from the holding tank into the coach. If they are leaking odors into the coach they need to be replaced. They are not maintenance free.
A temporary alternative to Leonard's suggestion is to place a fairly large plastic baggy of the pipe and while leaving the bag loose secure it to the pipe with an elastic band. Usually there is enough residual air left in the bag to break the vacuum. In my opinion which ever you select it should be a temporary solution and the vent needs to be replaced if it is leaking odors into coach. They are not RV specific and available at Lowe's, Home Depot, hardware stores and plumbing suppliers.

Don Seager

2004 Allure 31046

The easiest to get is probably RidX at Walmart. Walmart has others in there RV section. Some depends on personnel preference. Another thing to note, there are check valves in the coach, one at each sink, that tends to let fumes in the coach when first starting to travel with stuff in the black tank. The solution is to remove them and replace with a screw cap to plug the pipes, if this has not been done. That stops the order coming in.

Leonard 97' Magna 5418

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Yahoo Message Number: 67677
Don,

Mine has roof vents and the other vents. According to a profession plumber, those extra vents are not code, what every that means. Figure a roof vent should be enough, that is all a house has. When we found and capped the second one, our order stopped and everything seems to work the same. So nice not to have the order when starting out. It would disperse after awhile, but still.

Leonard 97' Magna 5418

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Yahoo Message Number: 67680
Leonard,

That is true for a stick house but I believe that they meet the RVIAA code for RVs. I respectfully disagree with you that one is all that a house needs. I have owned 3 houses and built two of them. They all had a roof vent stack within code mandated distance from each installed trap. One vent can server more than one traps if they are all within the prescribed distance. I would be a very unusual house that needed only one roof vent but it is possible as long as all of the traps were within code. My last house had 5 vent stacks. One for each of 3 bathrooms, one for the kitchen sinks and one for the laundry room. Maybe you could run your point of a house needing only one stack by your plumber.
My RV has 3 roof vent stacks. One for the black water tank, one for the gray water tank and one for a vanity sink that just happens to be located in a spot where a roof vent can be installed. The rest of my traps are vented by the ventless vents.
There can be more to than just odor involved. Both tanks can generate gases generically labeled 'sewer gas'. It is noxious and can be very dangerous. In the right concentration is can also be flammable. To prevent traps from emptying a vent must be located close to the trap not just one in the holding tanks.
It may be nice not to have odor starting out but blocking up trap vents is a dangerous recommendation.

Don Seager

2004 Allure 31046

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Yahoo Message Number: 67682
Don, this vent is referred to as a Studor Vent, it is legal is some, states, not sure if all .in residential homes, commonly used in places like island sinks in kitchens where is may be impossible to get a vent stack, most location require at least one three inch vent also, not uncommon to tie some of these vents together in the attic so as not to have too many holes thro the roof.
With this said, I do have a studor vent under the sink in my RV and I was experiencing some smell upon emptying the Black tank, I now make sure that the Gray tank Valve is Closed when emptying the Black tank and have not had the smell any more...
Marvin, 07 Allure 31459

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Yahoo Message Number: 67685
I found the portion of this thread dealing with holding tank vents a very interesting and useful information exchange. However, the "Country Western Poetry Session" reference in the Subject is hardly related to the essence of this thread. It would be helpful when changing the topic to also change the Subject line.

Nate Richards
04 Allure 31043

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Yahoo Message Number: 67686
Marvin,

That is true Marvin but if you had a Studor Vent (thanks for the proper name) in a kitchen island that started to produce odor would you recommend simply capping it off to stop the odor. That is the point that I am trying to make here.

Don Seager

2004 Allure 31046

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Yahoo Message Number: 67687
Nathan,

Sorry, my bad.

I saw that and forgot to do it before sending. Sorry, you are right.

Don Seager

2004 Allure 31046

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Yahoo Message Number: 67690
Don, I think in a stick house vs RV there are quiet some difference, as in a stick house all liquid flows by gravity(meaning that it is open all the time), In an RV you keep the Black tank closed until it needs dumping(at least I do) the Black and Gray Tanks are separate, That is why I recommend closing the Gray Tank when dumping the Black, there is a lot of suction when you let loose the Black Tank(Not sure that the Studor Vent can handle all that suction)If not it will draw all the water out of the P-Traps, therefor Odor..
I have never tried the Bag over the vent, not sure if it would re-capture enough air after each release...I really don't see how it could, but in essence it could work, with a large enough bag.(something I will put on my bucket list).. A Studor Vent can mal-function by sticking, sometime you can tap it or run an object thro the vents and move the ball and it may work again, if not they are usually easy and inexpensive to replace, screws on like an oil filter, kinda...
 

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Yahoo Message Number: 67691
In reading here about this subject, (smelly pluming), I used to purchase all these so called tank treatments, cleaners etc.., Now I do not use anything, have not for a couple of years., If you keep water in your P-traps,(at each sink), I don't think you will be bothered by smells, it may be with limited use that the water evaporates out of the Traps., just pour some water in the traps when you plan to travel after you have been in storage for a while.
I do know that some Toilets may release some odor when flushing, the ball type has nothing to stop the odor when flushing.. I have the Tecma, which flushes kinda like a residential toilet, it keeps the odor out...This works for me, not sure it will work for everyone...I might add that we do eat a lot of Mexican food also...
Marvin 07 Allure, #31459