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Yahoo Message Number: 104980
Toe in is the differential measurement between the front and read of the front tires. Example distance between the front and edge of the tires 96" The distance between the rear of the tires 96 1/8. The difference would be 1/8 toe in.

Some folks have had to go to 1/4 toe in the stop wandering.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 104985
Let's take Mickey's explanation one step further. On the IFS it may be near impossible to measure the suggested 96 inches across the width of the front end due to lots of mechanical apparatus in the way. Further, even if you could do that which tie rod end do you adjust, i.e. all on one side or split the difference. If you make all the adjustment on one side then you can bet on buying new tires soon. So here is my preferred method.
1. Lift the front end of the coach to relieve all load on the tires, 2. center the steering wheel, 3. with a sharp piece of chalk or something similar make a chalk mark on the front and rear of each tire in exactly the same place on the tire and in the horizontal center (right in the middle of the width of the tire works best), 4. now measure from the chalk mark, front and back, to the frame. Adjust the tie rod end to attain about 1/16 to 1/8 difference between the two measurements. Repeat the measurements on the other tire. You now have the proper toe in. A word of caution; make sure the bolts on the tie rod ends are near horizontal after tightening. Otherwise they may rub against a control arm in a full turn. This procedure may not work on all coaches and other folks may have a different approach. Some also may prefer a little more toe in on the curb side tire than on the driver side tire to accommodate road crown. Any non-believers out there?
 Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

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Yahoo Message Number: 104991
Mikee in your example it would be toe out. Front of tire relative to straight ahead pointing out or in.

Ray

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Toe in is the differential measurement between the front and read of the front tires. Example distance between the front and edge of the tires 96" The distance between the rear of the tires 96 1/8. The difference would be 1/8 toe in.

Some folks have had to go to 1/4 toe in the stop wandering.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 104993
And to think, I thought Toe In had to do with a dance.... "You put your left toe in...".

(Of course, it may have been foot not toe... And the DW, my daughter, nieces, nephews, grand nieces and grand nephews, heck - even my dawg - would confirm, that Smitty dances to a different drummer then most:)!)

Good descriptions on Toe In.

I had problems with our small 18K F53 Chassis wandering easily to the side of the road. And had the driver side toe in bumped up as Lyle noted. Helped it track much better most of the time... (Never really noticed it moving to the left on non crown roads, but it probably did some.)

This is one of those things, where more then one visit to the shop maybe required to get it right.

And while talking about Toe In and alignment in general, how often do you guys have yours rechecked?

I'm now on year 6 since my last full alignment, Colton Truck. Yearly chassis inspection, LOF, etc. - and all looked good, so have left it alone. I noted others have theirs done periodically. Any opinions on this...

Getting new tires next month, might be a good time to have everything rechecked/set again.

Best to all,

Smitty
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

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Yahoo Message Number: 104997
I used to race cars and was always doing alignments. To help you visualize toe, imagine a fishing line drawn tight running horizontally, across the outside of front wheel running though the axle (at axle height). A tow bar is used to hold the fishing line tight, running parallel to ground, tight across outside of wheel. Measure from the front of the wheel (the rim) to the fishing line. That gap should be 3/16". You do this for both front wheels, and you adjust the tie rods to achieve this. Just make sure the steering wheel is straight before you start, otherwise the coach will drive perfectly down the road with a crooked steering wheel, and that drives me absolutely NUTS. Many alignment shops don't spend enough attention getting the steering wheel straight before they start, so emphasize that with them, or you will be bringing it back. That usually does it.

Greg Labadie
2006 Magna 6642

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Yahoo Message Number: 105010
Lyle,

The only thing that will happen if you adjust one tie rod end too much is a steering wheel that is off center.

Your method is not going to give an accurate measurement of the total toe in. Too many variables in the frame for a measurement that is 1/16 to 1/54 inch total.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 105012
For toe in the front measurement is the smaller one.

Mikee
 

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Yahoo Message Number: 105015
Just be aware that excessive toe in will scrub the outside edges of the front tires. When we first got our coach it went down the road in a straight line very well. However, the outside edges of the tires wore more than they should have. We had the alignment checked and there was out of specifications too much toe in. They adjusted to spec and it still drove down the road like it was supposed to but no excessive wear.

Caster is very important in going down the road straight. I would guess more than toe in. Make sure your castor is set properly.

And if we are talking about a 32' Country Coach here, that is the only CC that has a short chassis length compared to it's body. I remember sitting with Ron Lee a few years back when he commented that the 32's we "twitchy" compared to the rest of the line.

Bob & Barbara 2002 Affinity 42'