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Toyo,Tire

Yahoo Message Number: 13656
I have had two of the Toyo Blowout, "no fun" the first time i was in fl. and got a tire. this last time was in las vegas, nv. Was not able to fine a 12R. Toyo. After looking at the other tires, two more of the side walls were bad. SO it was new tire time. as these were 5 years old. One trip to A.K. Was not able to get Toyo. On back order from over seas. This from them. So i got M. and it is now going on 3 weeks now and only two of the tires have come in. Is anyone out there in the same boat as i am in????? A happy hoildays to all you on this site and the best in the coming new years. Capt. Dan cci # 30498 20000 Allure

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Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13657
I put 6 tires on about a month ago. Local dealer, TOYO and M, talked with TOYO rep and none were available and one month backorder at best. He had the new M's in stock, services the local fire trucks, so had him put them on. I did check around with other M dealers and all said they would have to order them. Easy decision for me.

Richard

North Myrtle Beach
Intrigue 2001

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Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13659
No matter what the tread depth---five years on motorhome tires is enough. Dry rot seems to be the culprit. So if any of you out there that have 5 years on your tires--better talk to Santa aboaut some new ones. No, I am not a tire salesman--just learned from experiencewith my other coach, tires looked good with plenty of tread depth but they were getting old like some of us and we can't do what we used to could do. Same thing with the tires.

Travel safe during the Holidays,

Egon

'99 Allure #30321 New Michelens all the way around.
'02 Tahoe Z71

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Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13663
Does anyone have know if the tires will go bad equally fast when the coach has mostly been stored inside (in heated garage)? My coach is now more than 4 years old, and has not even 20K on it.
Hoping the tires will last me a couple more Santas.

Henk Bots, 2000 Magna #5824

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Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13665
Hank: Me too. My Toyo's looked new. I had them rotated, always checked inflation, etc. I store my coach in my garage at home. At around 40,000 miles and five years, I had a blowout at freeway speed. Fortunately it was on the inside rear dual, but still required road service, etc.
The tire dealer verified that deterioration will still take place with age, even in the garage. Flat spots occur from prolonged sitting that probably weaken the tire. Who knows. I'm now running new Michelins with Smart Tire added a the installation.

Larry
Intrigue
10762

Tire Life

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13666
Hi Folks,

The subject of a 5 year tire life keeps coming back. There appears to be two issues: ozone and uv causing deteriation. UV can be stopped with tire covers which have 100% light blockage. Ozone can be slowed by frequent use - the wax in the tire rubber 'oozes' with use to protect from ozone. Tires, with proper inflation, should last the tread life. Driving 55mph helps greatly.
Fred Kovol

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Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13671
I beg to differ on the statement "tires, with proper inflation, should last the treat life". When the Ford Explorer tire blowouts were happening many of the tires had been on the Explorers for more than five years and had a lot of tread life left. When I got my Explorer tires replaced, a lady came in with her 8-9 year old Explorer to get her free replacement tires. Her comment was that she wanted tires exactly like what she had because they lasted so long.
Thankfully she only drove in town and very little highway driving at 60 or more.

Because of the value of the coaches we are driving and the lives involved, it would be wise to really think hard about changing tires after about five years no matter how much tread is left on the tires.

I have been down that road with my '87 coach, a lot of tread left but more thatn five years of age and we had three blowouts in a period of about four months. They were all on the the drive axle or the tag. Thankfully they were not on the front and from what I have heard from poeple that have had front blowouts I don't even want to think about it. BTW those tires looked great and had them inspected before our first blowout.

The five year tire life may be hard to swallow for those of you that drive only about 5 or 6 thousand miles a year but safety first.

Drive safe

Egon

'99 allure #30321
'02 Tahoe Z71

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Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13673
I agree with your comments, there are numerous CC owners that will tell you their tires looked great, but had blowouts. My coach was purchased in June of 1999, and I replaced what appeared to be perfectly good tires this summer @ 40K miles. There were no signs of abnormal wear, cracks, etc. and the coach is kept in a garage, but I was not willing to take the chance, and definitely did not want to pay for the damage a blowout can cause. In the overall scheme of things tires are very cheap, and in my opinion it is not worth taking a risk to save a few dollars. My friend also has a 99 Intrigue had a blowout on an inside dual that ripped out much of the channel frame, etc. Not an inexpensive fix!

For people that are new to motor homes, etc. never replace one tire on the duals! If you do, you can be assured a blowout!
Gene

Intrigue 10920

Tire Life

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13674
Some people have difficulty replacing things that are not broke or worn out.
Waste not want not, comes to mind. Childhood training can be difficult to overcome.

Consider annual replacement of 2 tires. Put 2 new front tires in service.
From the 6 or 8 used tires you then have, discard the 2 most worn, or 2 most repaired or 2 oldest tires.

Many truckers do 2 front tire replacements often enough to keep all 8 rear tire positions filled with used front tires. After any front tire injury, the tire is moved from front. Those truckers would rather trust 2 new untried tires instead of front tires that have been tested on deer, nails, potholes, curbs.

Tire manufacturers have rules for acceptable pairing of used tires on drive axles.

I plan to begin replacing pairs of tires @ about 60% of tread life or 4 years.

Eric Elliott
5 Inspire 51321

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Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13675
Eric, Great idea, thank you. It will be easier to replace just two without breaking the bank and more likely to happen in a timely manner.

 BTW Anyone have a recent cost of R12 TOYO tires/mounting and balancing?

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Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13678
Can you advise why you went with Michelins rather than TOYO?

What can we expect in terms of cost for replacement of tires?

Thanks,
Jeff

2002 36 CC Triple Slide

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Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13679
About how much are the Michelins?

My unit is 2002 so some time downstream I'll need to face the music.

Thanks,
Jeff

2002 36 CC Triple Slide

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Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13680
Hi Folks,

It appears that after Googling 'vehicle tire ageing', some interesting topics are provided. No ageing testing has been done but there is a move to get an expiration date stamped on the tire after accelerated testing is done. It is important to read the tire manufacturer date on the tire so you know how old your tires are. Ten years has been mandated in some countries for tire replacement.
Fred Kovol

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Hi Folks,

The subject of a 5 year tire life keeps coming back. There appears [/quote]
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Re: Toyo,Tire

Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13682
When I ordered my coach I wanted to have Michelens put on but CC would not do it. After two years of driving, I was getting uneven wear on my left front and inside right dual. The tire guy could not expalin it either, so we had the coach aligned and I put two Michelins on the front. Back in the late '60's and early '70's I was driving some pretty fast cars and always had Michelins put on them. My local Sears store was selling them at that time and I would always get the tires that were made in Germany and would get four consecutive serial #'s.
The tires did me well and I have always gone back to Michelins. If it works stick with it.

When CC had the tire recall, I received 6 new Toyo tires and made a deal with the tire guy to put four new Michelins on the coach and I would let him have the 6 Toyos. BTW, I asked him if he would be willing to put two of the new tires on the front and he said that he would not do it any other way.

Egon

'99 Allure #30321
'02 Tahoe Z71

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Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13683
From: "fredkovol" fredkovol@...>
(snip) > Ten years has been

mandated in some countries for tire replacement.
Let's not forget, too, that tires harden quite a bit as they age, so therefore lose traction and become more susceptible to impact damage.

Dick (& Geri) Campagna
'98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97

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Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13684
Jeff,

I went with Michelins because there were no Toyos available in my area and the factory rep. could not give an estimated date when there would be some. May be different in other areas of the country.
I was going to go with Toyo but I know these Michelins are used on many large coaches so I had no concerns about going with them. As soon as I get the coach weighted I think I will find I can lower the pressure; that is based on the Michelin charts/tables. For now I had them put 110 in each. $500 each and this dealer was only about $20/each higher that the other dealers I called but he stocks them.
I am not sure but I think the demand for these larger tires has gone up and the manufactures may not have produced enough to meet demand. Unlike cars(smaller tires) they only make a production run a few times a year for these types of tires and we know how forecasts tend to work.

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Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13685
I agree with your suggestions for taking care of your tires. I'll add one more important one...

In addition to age, ozone and UV, I'll add moisture to your list. A new product called "landing strips" is supposed to help reduce moisture absorption, but I think they actually can cause the tire to sit in a puddle of water. The landing strip actually forms a bowl over time and the tires end up sitting in water. Rubber is pourous and the absorbed water causes the steel belts to rust and can cause tire delamination.

I have a better idea... I just use one layer of my yellow leveling blocks under all the tires, and that keeps moisture away from the tires. The blocks have slots cut in them so if it rains, the moisture runs away from the tires.

Regards,

Bob Kumza

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Folks,

The subject of a 5 year tire life keeps coming back. There appears

to

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be two issues: ozone and uv causing deteriation. UV can be stopped > with tire covers which have 100% light blockage. Ozone can be

slowed

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Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13715
Jeff

I recently purchased new Toyos and I believe the price difference for Michelins was roughly $75-80.00 per tire.

--- Jeffbec51@... wrote:

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About how much are the Michelins? >

My unit is 2002 so some time downstream I'll need to > face the music.

Thanks,

Jeff

2002 36 CC Triple Slide

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Gene Clendenin

 

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Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13733
Jeff

I blew a Michelin on Weds. 255/80R22.5 XRV Tire, Tax and Installed was $407.

I had it replaced with a Michelin XZE. Stronger sidewalls, stiffer ride but with the air bags you don't notice it. Weighs about 7 pounds more than the XRV. Also cost about $40 more.
I checked in town this afternoon on a additional XZE and was quoted $344 plus tax.

Steve

95 Magna 5220