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Broken Prosine ...

Yahoo Message Number: 18596
My number 2 Prosine inverter is ill. Says "3 tripped AC breaker".
Not sure if that is an error code, or (3) breakers are tripped.
Inverter comes on, but battery charger is stuck on 'standby'. The frig is out when on batteries, so must be this inverter thats out.
Just happened yesterday afternoon after running the generator in the Disney overflow lot.

The other inverter works fine, and appears to be charging both batteries.

Cannot find a tripped breaker anywhere.

Can't find the inverter in the schematics either, but I do have the book. I guess I will climb in the bay and check the inverter itself.

Also, on the main screen of the TCS, there is a little wrench, and the word inverter. I assume this is telling me the inverter needs help.

The good news is, we made it over the 7 mile bridge in the Keys about 4 hours before the big accident. Bridge was closed for about 6-8 hours I guess. Lucky us ... what a mess.

Thanks for any help here ... I am calling CC this morning also and will post what I find out from them.

John and Terry

2005 Affintiy #6453

Re: Broken Prosine ...

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18597
John-

Beside the communication port on the inverter itself, there is a small black switch. Leave your generator running, then slide this switch into bypass mode. BE SURE to check your manual for which way to flip the switch because it is fragile and easy to break it off if you force it the wrong direction.
After about 30 seconds in bypass mode, flip it back the other way. This is a hard reset for the inverter.

Also be sure to check all the ground connections for the batteries and the inverters and make sure they are tight to ground lugs. I've found this to be the problem on more than on occasion.

John Lewellyn

2005 Affinity #6400

Re: Broken Prosine ...

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18598
Thanks John ...

I assume I can accomplish the same thing when plugged to shore power.
We only ran the generator when waiting for our site to be ready, we are plugged in now.

Not sure why it says breaker problem, unless the Silverleaf unit senses no power output from the inverter and assumes a breaker tripped.

John and Terry

Re: Broken Prosine ...

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18603

John,

We are having the same problem with our inverters on our 05 Mag. On several occasions, 3 times with the generator and 5 times under shore power, one of our inverters has shut down. When that happens we lose our frig and microwave plus we have a gfI breaker throw on the PS of the coach. We can usually reset the inverter and bring everything back up. We have had this looked at twice, once in Myrtle Beach, SC and once in Denver, Co and each time they just said the inverter needed reseting. We are going into Lazy Days on Oct 9th to have this problem looked at. We have also been working with Jim Crig at CCI to get this resolved. Contact jim Crig and tell him about this it may help with a solution.
My wife thinks the problem is that the bay where the inverters are is getting to hot. jim does not think she is right, hope to find out next week. We have just finished a 3 month, 7k trip with this problem, so resetting the inverters will work and keep you operational.

Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425

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Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18605
I wondered about heat also. There are vents in the chamber where the inverters are located, but they vent to the bay. Not sure how effective that is with the bay doors closed. You would think there would be some indication of overheating in an error code somewhere.

The book shows different remote panels, but I guess I will see what controls are on the inverter itself.

John and Terry
2005 Affinity

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My wife thinks the problem is that the bay where the inverters are is
getting to hot. jim does not think she is right, hope to find out next week. We have just finished a 3 month, 7k trip with this problem, so resetting the inverters will work and keep you operational.

Re: Broken Prosine ...

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18609
Your comment on the "different panels" is interesting. I had an inverter failure code on my Silverleaf TCS panel and when I called Xantrex customer support I was told that they would not honor an error code reading coming from an indicator panel other than the panel supplied by Xantrex. CC Tech Support thought that there were both panels on my coach - but their research of the production order proved that there was not.

CC provided a replacement inverter - which I installed. The replacement inverter came with the Xantrex control panel included which I installed in the inverter bay as there are two remote control outputs on the inverter itself. Now I have both the Xantrex AND the Silverleaf panels just in case I have to call Xantrex again...

Oh incedentally, both panels read the same on the failed inverter.
I wanted to see if Xantrex really had an argument that others don't read their data the same as they do... "Error code 94 on Silverleaf, read Error code 94 on the Xantrex". A failed internal part -

CS at CC was far more cooperative than CS at Xantrex!

Hal Bjorklund
Magna 6477

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I wondered about heat also. There are vents in the chamber where

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inverters are located, but they vent to the bay. Not sure how > effective that is with the bay doors closed. You would think

there

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would be some indication of overheating in an error code somewhere.

The book shows different remote panels, but I guess I will see

what

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controls are on the inverter itself.

John and Terry
2005 Affinity

> My wife thinks the problem is that the bay where the inverters

are is

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getting to hot. jim does not think she is right, hope to find out

next

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week. We have just finished a 3 month, 7k trip with this problem,

so

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Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18610
When my inverter failed I was just North of Detroit this summer (translated "hot and muggy"). I reported that the temp in the inverter bay was well over 90 degrees. Both Xantrex and CC said that the temp should not inversly effect the Xantrex as long as we are running within their specification which is 120 degrees ambient temperature...

Hal Bjorklund
Magna 6477

Quote from: John
I wondered about heat also. There are vents in the chamber where

the

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inverters are located, but they vent to the bay. Not sure how > effective that is with the bay doors closed. You would think

there

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would be some indication of overheating in an error code somewhere.

The book shows different remote panels, but I guess I will see

what

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controls are on the inverter itself.

John and Terry
2005 Affinity

> My wife thinks the problem is that the bay where the inverters

are is

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getting to hot. jim does not think she is right, hope to find out

next

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week. We have just finished a 3 month, 7k trip with this problem,

so

Re: Broken Prosine ...

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18611
Have not tried it yet. Have the bay door open, stage one (heh, heh).

I noticed in the manual it says some error can only be cleared by disconnecting the DC and AC power. The DC will be tricky since the inverter is hard wired to the house batteries. A 400 amp fuse is in there somewhere also.

I assume the bypass switch reset will work.

We are on shore power here at Fort Wilderness, so things are operational. I will try the reset before we leave.

Thanks ...

John and Terry

Quote from: John/Lynnette Lewellyn

Re: Broken Prosine ...

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18613
Well that fixed it. Thanks everyone.
We have two inverters, and the one I reset was the front one (closest to the opening in bay 2. They are mounted back to back it appears.
The rear one would have been a real treat, although there is a door in bay three that might work.

A ton of wiring in there ... this thing is like a 747 ...

There are two "spare" com wires with RJ15 (phone) connectors on them. One is labeled with a "1". Anyone know what they are for ??? Everytime I see a dangling, terminated connectors I get nervous.

I am going to crawl back in and look around some more.

Concerning temperature in the inverter bay, the temp reading in the bay might not reflect the temp in the inverver enclosure itself, because its closed off.

I did not see any readouts or operator panels in the area, so I guess installing your own might be the hot set up, as posted here. No other way to get meaningfull error messages that I can find.

Thanks again ... back underneath to look around.

John and Terry
2005 Affinity

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Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18615
There are two communication ports and one temperature sensor port on the inverter. The Silverleaf System hooks to one communication port, the second one is left unused, but when Country Coach receives the inverters they come packaged with Xantrax remotes (these remotes don't provide as much information as the Silverleaf does). You could install these in the bay area and have a remote for the bay area. You also need to be sure that the Temp. sensor probes that are glued to the AGM batteries are not hooked to the temp. port on the inverter. If they are, it will cook them and ruin them.

John 6400 Affinity

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Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18617
John,

In your last sentence below, you say, "If they are, it will cook them and ruin them." What gets ruined, the batteries or the inverter? How? Why? I really want to understand this. Thanks for your help.

Brian Davis
Intrigue #11901

Quote from: John/Lynnette\[br\
Lewellyn"] > There are two communication ports and one temperature sensor port

on the

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inverter. The Silverleaf System hooks to one communication port,

the second

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one is left unused, but when Country Coach receives the inverters

they come

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packaged with Xantrax remotes (these remotes don't provide as much > information as the Silverleaf does). You could install these in

the bay

Quote
area and have a remote for the bay area. You also need to be sure

that the

Quote
Temp. sensor probes that are glued to the AGM batteries are not

hooked to

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the temp. port on the inverter. If they are, it will cook them

and ruin
 

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Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 18620

John,

What john is saying about the inverters is just the way I understand the system. Don't know about cooking the batteries but everything else is exactly what we have been experienceing in our 05 Mag.

Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425