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Hi All:

After 50,000 miles of trouble-free driving on our original 12R22.5 > Toyos, we replaced all 6 with 12R22.5 siped Toyos for $2684.12 at > Dickman's Schwab in JCity in Aug.,2005 filled with 120/110 psi.
No discounts were allowed. When not given a warranty contract, > Dickmans informed me they DO NOT warranty large truck / RV tires.
Also, without asking, re-used our 5 year old valve stems, "We're > saving you $24.00 / tire"..."we never have a problem". Approx. 300 > miles later, stopped , turned a corner, and within 50 yards, the > L.Front blew out. The valve cap PLUS the threaded tip of the valve > stem were completely blown off. We arranged for a replacement at > Schwab in Ogden, Ut. When told I would have to pay for the new > tire, I couldn't believe it. Calls were made betw Ogden and JCity > Schwabs. They agreed, there would be no charge. Schwab informed > me "it must have been a rock/ OR??? causing the 1st blowout??? > While the Ogden tech installed the LFront, he noticed both inner > duals were low or flat. He demo'ed the L inner dual leaking with > soap water. Ogden Schwab then replaced valve stems in both rear > inner tires. Before departing Schwab Ogden that next morning, I > checked the LFront new tire pressure, and the air would not stop > leaking out the valve. They replaced the valve stem and valve core > on that LFront. Then, approx. 4-5 days later in Nebraska, I

the tire pres. in LFront, again, the air would not stop coming

A local farm tire co. replaced valve stem and valve, paid by

JCity.

Now spooked, I did not check the pressures for nearly 6 months. We > have not had any tire probs since the valves stems and valve cores > were replaced at other tire dealers.
When I discussed having 5 flats in the tire's 1st 1500 miles with > Mgr. John Edwards, at Dickmans Schwab in JCity, said, "I can only > conclude, you must have done something wrong when checking the > tires". OUCH!!

After 50,000 miles over 4+ years, on the original tires, with > frequent tire pres. checks, etc., without a problem In 50

of driving, I've never experienced such a prob. BTW, I use the

guage bought from Schwab, JCity. He did send me 6 flow-through > valve caps.

To find the below page I followed the " How to Access the NHTSA > website" in the TOYO bulletin I just sent the forum by F. Koval,

In the past, we've always been happy with Schwab.
Don, 2000 Allure, 30580, 2002 CRV.

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Report Date : March 30, 2006 at 04:59 AM > NHTSA Action Number : EA05011

NHTSA Action Number : EA05011 NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : N/A > Make / Models : Model/Build Years: > COUNTRY COACH / ALLURE 1996-2000 >

COUNTRY COACH / INTRIGUE 1995-2000 >

Manufacturer : COUNTRY COACH INC > Component :
TIRES

Date Investigation Opened : July 14, 2005 > Date Investigation Closed : Open > Summary:

COUNTRY COACH HAS IDENTIFIED 21 INCIDENTS OF FRONT TIRE FAILURES > (16 DRIVER'S SIDE AND 5 PASSENGER SIDE) THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN

YEAR 1995-2000 COUNTRY COACH INTRIGUE AND ALLURE VEHICLES AFTER > THESE VEHICLES HAD BEEN MODIFIED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ONE OR MORE > SERVICE PROGRAMS / SAFETY CAMPAIGNS (99V-288, SB00-01, 01V-170, > AND/OR 02V-229) THAT WERE INTENDED TO CORRECT INADEQUATE FRONT

LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY IN THE SUBJECT VEHICLES BY REPLACING FRONT > TIRES, CHANGING THE RECOMMENDED FRONT TIRE PRESSURES, AND/OR > REDUCING OR REDISTRIBUTING THE FRONT AXLE LOADS. ON MAY 6, 2005,

RECEIVED ONE ADDITIONAL OWNER COMPLAINT (VOQ 10124716) ALLEGING

THE DRIVER'S SIDE FRONT TIRE INSTALLED IN A 1997 INTRIGUE VEHICLE > HAD FAILED ON APRIL 12, 2005. THIS VEHICLE'S FRONT TIRES HAD BEEN > REPLACED IN MAY 2001 IN RESPONSE TO COUNTRY COACH CAMPAIGN 01V-

ODI INTENDS TO CONDUCT FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO EVALUATE WHETHER

CAMPAIGNS (LISTED ABOVE), WHICH WERE INTENDED TO CORRECT TIRE > FAILURES, ARE ADEQUATE AND/OR EFFECTIVE.

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It would be interesting to know if Schwab of JC balanced your new
Toyos. They did mine, when I replaced them last year. After it

done, I found out that they used a product called Equal. It is > basically a bag of powder that breaks apart in the first few miles > of driving. The powder is supposed to move opposite the heavy

thus continuously balancing the tire as you move. Last October,

a South West CC rally in Palm Desert, the folks form Nat. Hyw

were examining our Coaches by checking weight and air pressure.

conversation, they mentioned that Equal was messing up their > pressure guages. It seems that the power was sticking in their > instruments. Could it also stick in the valve stem?? So far, I > have had no problem and run the front at 120 and rear at 110.

Back to the original question.

I believe you will also find that the Toyos of today are much

in load rating than back in the 90's. Schwab was the least > expensive of the 5 dealers I checked and the only one with Toyos

Rob/Dan:

Thanks for the comments. Yes, all our new Toyos tires were

installed.

My sense is that our tire failures were also due to faulty valve

not the Toyos themselves.
I believe they do use a powder when you have Smart Tire.
We don't have the Smart Tire, however, did consider installing it

the new tires. I'm not aware of any "balancing" powder being being > included inside the tires.

About a month ago we installed new chrome "Dually" valve stems via > www.borgtiresupply.com http://www.borgtiresupply.com>

made for Country Coach. They eliminate the need for valve

etc. We've also installed the Pressure Pro system which monitors

pressure on all 10 tires of our coach and Toad.
Don, 2000 36'Allure #30580

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> seal, so this may be more common than one might expect. I check > tire pressure before I pull out every time and carry an on-board > 110V air compressor to add air as needed. Dan> >

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> It would be interesting to know if Schwab of JC balanced your new > > Toyos. They did mine, when I replaced them last year. After it

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done, I found out that they used a product called Equal. It is > > basically a bag of powder that breaks apart in the first few

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of driving. The powder is supposed to move opposite the heavy

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thus continuously balancing the tire as you move. Last October,

at

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a South West CC rally in Palm Desert, the folks form Nat. Hyw

Saftey

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were examining our Coaches by checking weight and air pressure.

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conversation, they mentioned that Equal was messing up their > > pressure guages. It seems that the power was sticking in their > > instruments. Could it also stick in the valve stem?? So far, I > > have had no problem and run the front at 120 and rear at 110.
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> Back to the original question.
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> I believe you will also find that the Toyos of today are much

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in load rating than back in the 90's. Schwab was the least > > expensive of the 5 dealers I checked and the only one with Toyos

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That weight rating may be fine at 130psi, but what is the rating

your operating pressure (110/120)? You may find that your ALCOA > rims are rated at 120psi max. Tires should be compared at your > operating pressure of your vehicle.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

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> It would be interesting to know if Schwab of JC balanced your

Toyos. They did mine, when I replaced them last year. After it > was

> done, I found out that they used a product called Equal. It is > > basically a bag of powder that breaks apart in the first few

of driving. The powder is supposed to move opposite the heavy > spot

> thus continuously balancing the tire as you move. Last October, > at

> a South West CC rally in Palm Desert, the folks form Nat. Hyw > Saftey

> were examining our Coaches by checking weight and air pressure.
In

> conversation, they mentioned that Equal was messing up their > > pressure guages. It seems that the power was sticking in their > > instruments. Could it also stick in the valve stem?? So far, I > > have had no problem and run the front at 120 and rear at 110.
>

> Back to the original question.
>

> I believe you will also find that the Toyos of today are much > better

> in load rating than back in the 90's. Schwab was the least > > expensive of the 5 dealers I checked and the only one with Toyos > in

> stock. I ended up driving 500 miles (round trip to the nearest > > Schwab) and still saved almost $900 on a set of 6 **

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Vicky,

We have an 01' Intrigue and plan to replace our front Toyos this fall. How do you like the Bridgestones ride and driving?

Paul and Nancy

01' Intrigue #11309

I talked to a investigator at NHTSA in requards to EA 05011 investigation as

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my RF tire on my 99 Intrigue had blown out in March of last year.

All tires

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on my coach had dot dates of mid to late 99. We discussed the CCI

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placards and the 125 psi. He told me he had seen a letter from

Alcoa raising

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the pressure from 120 to 125 psi on their rims. I do not like to

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that much pressure and when my tire blew, Toyos were on back order

CCI

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recommended Goodyear or Bridgestone and since the Bridgestone was

rated at