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Tranny temps

Yahoo Message Number: 23173
Tranny temps Ok, a while back we had a lot of discussion on the tranny temps running warm.
Was there ever a satisfactory answer from either CC or Allison? Our Allure runs at 230 when stuck in traffic. Hasn't given us any trouble, but concerned about the temp rise and possible future damage it might do.
We're bringing up this topic at the CC rally in a week or so, but wondered what anyone found out.

Thanks,
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Sue and Bob too(I just type faster) '05-42' Allure #31254

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23179
Hi Folks,

Please see the file may2006trip.xls.
This detailed file gives location, altitude, transmission temperature, speed, mpg and other information for a May 2006 trip covering almost 2500 miles.

Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23180
Sue,

Our 04 Allure shows the same readings in traffic on the dash gauge, but on the Silverleaf monitor shows around 198 in stop and go traffic. Does your Silverleaf show 230?

Brian
04 Allure

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Ok, a while back we had a lot of discussion on the tranny
temps running

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warm.

Was there ever a satisfactory answer from either CC or
Allison? Our

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Allure runs at 230 when stuck in traffic. Hasn¹t given us any

trouble, but

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concerned about the temp rise and possible future damage it might

do.

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We¹re bringing up this topic at the CC rally in a week or so,

but

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23181
Hi Brian,

Do not have a silverleaf, but now we are getting warmer weather in CA.,our tranny temp gage has been creeping to 230 when we get into stop go traffic in very hilly Sonama country. Changing into nuetral while waiting only reduced temp by a minimal 5 degrees or so. This was during a 15 minute creeping period. Temp dropped below 200 once rolling again.

Also saw 230 when climbing Tehachapi Pass recently I even see increase from 190 to 230 even when reversing my rig into the narrow parking space at side of my house, which typically takes 5-10 minutes. (Depends on my co-drivers directions)!. As I only have 6" clearance one side to allow us to fully open the RV door.
T&P D.

06 Inspire 51554

Quote from: Brian
Sue,

Our 04 Allure shows the same readings in traffic on the dash

gauge,

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but on the Silverleaf monitor shows around 198 in stop and go > traffic. Does your Silverleaf show 230? >

Brian
04 Allure

> Ok, a while back we had a lot of discussion on the tranny > temps running
> warm.

> Was there ever a satisfactory answer from either CC or > Allison? Our

> Allure runs at 230 when stuck in traffic. Hasn¹t given us any > trouble, but

> concerned about the temp rise and possible future damage it

might

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do.

> We¹re bringing up this topic at the CC rally in a week or

so,

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23183

Bob and Sue,

We had the same problem with our 05 Magna. Our temps ran at 245 in heavy traffic on our Silver Leaf so we went back to our original dealer, Lazy Days and had them go to bat for us with Country Coach. With LD help CC installed a large transmission cooler ( they called it an oil to oil cooler) and now our transmission never goes over 165 degrees. We still need to recalibrate the fluid gauging because when we check the transmission oil from the key pad it shows 4 quarts low when the stick shows full but that needs to be handled by Allison at a rally. I've found you can get a lot of help from your dealer on situations like this. It is only happening on certain coaches.

Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23184
I posted a couple of VMSpc charts in the files section for our Inspire 2005 back about 8 months ago. We just got back from a hot temperature run in high 90's heat, hilling driving, and towing a 7000# trailer.
After reviewing the data with the previous data it is clear that the changes they made to the Cat C9 flash, tranny fan speeds, or heater hose recall ( roa ll of the above) have affected the tranny temperatures in a very positive manner.

Here are some examples:
1. Previously, whether the tranny was in neutral or in gear and stopped in traffic or just stopped, the tranny temperature would zoom to 240 without hestitation. This trip, even in high air temps, when stopped in neutral, the tranny temps would fall to 188 and stay steady. This occurred when we stopped along the freeway after colliding with a truck and our passenger side mirror was damaged. The engine stayed running while parked, the temp outside was 94 degrees, and the tranny stayed cool and actually came down from 204 to 188 and stayed steady untile we were underway again. This would have never happened before, would have been up over 240 without a doubt and would not have gone down below 225 for the rest of the trip or until I stopped for a fair amount of time to cool down.

2. When we were in traffic and could not put the tranny in neutral, the temps stayed down in the 200 to 212 range. Before they would have been in the 220 to 240 range. Another great example that did not work before but is working now.

3. We went up the grapevine and the tranny temp stayed right around
214 during the pull up the long grade ( going north on the 5). Before the temps were in the 230's. Going south on the steeper but shorter route the temps stayed below 212 and cooled immediately once we reached the summit.

Over all this trip the tranny temp stayed in the 188 to 215 range which is very respectable given the large hills we pulled and the fact that I was towing a 7000# trailer behind.
I am not sure which change made the difference and no one at Holland said there was an issue with the tranny fan speed but clearly when I compare data to today from the last year something changed. Same temps outside, same routes, same loads, but much better cooling of the tranny. I love having solid data to prove a point, now if I could just get Holland to do the same. CCI is definitely into the data which is great!

I have been providing CCI with my files of the trips and they continue to monitor the data to see if there is something wrong. They have been very helpful and have been impressed with the data and annotations I have provided them. They have asked that I continue providing the data so that can determine if there is in fact an issue with the Inspire's.

For others that do not have Inpire's, your mileage may vary but after long research and lots of phone calls be careful that you do not run your tranny temps too low with an auxilary tranny cooler! They need to be around 200 to work well as was pointed out in an earlier post in another thread back when I brought this up initially.

Kary

05 Inspire 36'
#51499

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23187
Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: Tranny tempsI have to admit...CRS! I asked Bob if he remembers what the Silverleaf showed and he can't remember either. We'll be on the road next week, so can check then. We've been sitting still for the past month. We do know that it was cooler than the gage, but not by a whole lot. At least it wasn't 245 on Silverleaf.
I forgot to say that we have the 400 Cummins ISL engine also.
We were wondering what if any outcome came of our discussions a while back. We 'll pay more attention to it on our way south from Blaine, Wa. to the CC rally and can report more on our findings.
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Sue

'05-42' Allure #31254

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23188
Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: Tranny tempsKary, First, sorry to hear about the mirror. Hope you get fixed up soon.
And 2nd, thanks for the research you have done and it is great to hear that CC is interested.
Being our Silverleaf is cooler than where the sending unit is for the dash gage, we may be ok if the temps need to be around 200 to work efficiently. I'll pay attention on our drive to the rally next Sunday.

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Sue

'05-42' Allure #31254
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Re: Tranny temps

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23192
I just finished a Country Coach Tour and I asked if the Engine and Tranny Temps were an issue and they said no. One CCI employee told me that a new transmission cooler had been added about 2 months ago on the Inspire.

Louis

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23194
Our tranny hit 248 in downtown Bend, OR when I missed the around town cutoff. Waiting to get off of I-17 onto the Carefree Highway we hit 238. In both cases I was shifting into neutral as much as possible.
CC put a tranny cooler on and we now see 165 on the Silverleaf unless we get in traffic and then we get to 175-180. The dash guage shows 200 degrees when Silverleaf is 165. Allison 1000's in Chevy pickups run about 180 all the time. The C13 puts a lot of torque on the transmission in drive or reverse with the brake on.
Nobody I have talked to with an SOB has had the transmission temps that the CC's are showing.
Bob

'05 Intrigue 11872

Re: Tranny temps PS

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23195
Last Friday we got caught in stop and go traffic on I-17 north of Phoenix and the dash outside temp guage registered 114 degrees. The transmission hit 180 for a while. I can't imagine what it would have been like without the tranny cooler.

Bob

Quote from: Bob Stephens
> > Our tranny hit 248 in downtown Bend, OR when I missed the around town > cutoff. Waiting to get off of I-17 onto the Carefree Highway we hit > 238. In both cases I was shifting into neutral as much as possible.
CC put a tranny cooler on and we now see 165 on the > Silverleaf unless we get in traffic and then we get to 175-180. The > dash guage shows 200 degrees when Silverleaf is 165. Allison 1000's > in Chevy pickups run about 180 all the time. The C13 puts a lot of > torque on the transmission in drive or reverse with the brake on.
Nobody I have talked to with an SOB has had the transmission temps > that the CC's are showing.

Bob

'05 Intrigue 11872

Quote from: Sue Conant

>

> Ok, a while back we had a lot of discussion on the tranny temps > running
> warm.

> Was there ever a satisfactory answer from either CC or
Allison? Our

Re: Tranny temps PS

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23196
Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: Tranny temps PSDon't you know you're supposed to get out of the Phoenix area in the summer??? In all seriousness, glad your coach stayed cool. We'll definitely ask about this next week at CC and keep a close watch on the coach going south.
Thanks for the info.
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Sue

'05-42' Allure #31254

Re: Tranny temps

Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23199
You don't happen to know what coach numbers started getting the new cooler, do you? I just took delivery of a 2006 Inspire, number 51905.

John, Linda, and Lollipop ( a very fuzzy person) 06 Inspire, DaVinci (51905)
02 Saturn

Re: Tranny temps PS

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Yahoo Message Number: 23202
We planned to get out of Phoenix in April but we had to stay so Jack's RV could try to fix our dash AC. Waste of time, still no dash AC. Of course, if Beaudry hadn't broke the AC when they installed the tranny cooler and if they had put the lead detection dye in the system like they claimed they did, we might have found the real problem sooner.
Sorry for the whining but we're a little bitter about the inability of anybody to fix these coaches. Even the CC tech at the Rocky Mountain CC rally made light of the warning sign of compressor oil leaking from the dash AC drain tube.
Bob

'05 Intrigue 11872

Re: Tranny temps PS

Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23205
Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: Tranny temps PSNot good! And I thot' only our SOB brand had dash AC problems. Hope you get it fixed soon and can get out of Az. Unfortunately it is always something-get the tranny cooler installed and that problem fixed, but trade it off for no AC. Gees..can't win. Wouldn't it be nice if everything worked at once!

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Sue

'05-42' Allure #31254

Re: Tranny temps PS

Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23225
Bob,

Tell me more about the warning sign of compressor oil leaking from the dash a/c drain tube. What does that mean?

Thanks,

Jon Gullette

2004 Inspire #51008

Quote from: Bob Stephens
We planned to get out of Phoenix in April but we had to stay so

Jack's

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RV could try to fix our dash AC. Waste of time, still no dash

AC. Of

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course, if Beaudry hadn't broke the AC when they installed the

tranny

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cooler and if they had put the lead detection dye in the system

like

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they claimed they did, we might have found the real problem sooner.

Sorry for the whining but we're a little bitter about the

inability of

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anybody to fix these coaches. Even the CC tech at the Rocky

Mountain

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CC rally made light of the warning sign of compressor oil leaking

from

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the dash AC drain tube.

Bob

'05 Intrigue 11872

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Re: Dash A/C problems

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Yahoo Message Number: 23229
Also, on this a bit back in the Dash AC thread several writers spoke of leaking valves causing poor dash a/c performance. Can someone tell me where these valves are located? Have had ours fixed twice, most recent last month. Replaced condenser, air dryer and vac switches for Approx 1 thou. Works good now, but to my knowledge have not encountered either leaking valves or leaking compressor oil from the drain tube. Where to I look for these symptoms??

Thanks

Bob 2002 allure 30760

Quote from: Jon Gullette
>

Bob,

Tell me more about the warning sign of compressor oil leaking from > the dash a/c drain tube. What does that mean? >

Thanks,

Jon Gullette

2004 Inspire #51008

[quote author=Bob Stephens"

>

> We planned to get out of Phoenix in April but we had to stay so > Jack's

> RV could try to fix our dash AC. Waste of time, still no dash > AC. Of

> course, if Beaudry hadn't broke the AC when they installed the > tranny

> cooler and if they had put the lead detection dye in the system > like

> they claimed they did, we might have found the real problem

sooner.

Quote

> Sorry for the whining but we're a little bitter about the > inability of

> anybody to fix these coaches. Even the CC tech at the Rocky > Mountain

> CC rally made light of the warning sign of compressor oil leaking > from

> the dash AC drain tube.
>
> Bob

> '05 Intrigue 11872
>
>
>

[quote author=Sue Conant

> >

> > Don¹t you know you¹re supposed to get out of the Phoenix area

in

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the
> > summer???

> > In all seriousness, glad your coach stayed cool. We¹ll > definitely
> ask about

> > this next week at CC and keep a close watch on the coach going > south.

> > Thanks for the info.
> > --
> > Sue

> > ?05-42¹ Allure #31254
> >
> >
> >

> >

Re: AC Oil Leak and Leaking Valves

Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23232
I can't say for sure that compressor oil is what I am seeing but Jack at Jack's RV in Tucson thinks that might be the case. The engine AC compressor and AC evaporator apparently have oil added to lubricate the compressor. If you get a leak in the AC system, not only can the refrigerant leak but also some of the compressor oil. I won't know for sure until we get to CC after Labor Day and they take the system apart.

The valves that were leaking on our system were the Schrader valves used to test and add refrigerant to the system. Schrader valves the same as tire valves and are located next to the compressor on the engine. There is also an evaporator valve under the dash near the evaporator that controls whether the system is heating or cooling and if its not working correctly can cause the heating system to be on in conjunction with the cooling system thus reducing the cooling capacity. It's like running the heater and AC at the same time.

Bob

'05 Intrigue 11872

Quote from: Jon Gullette

Re: AC Oil Leak and Leaking Valves

Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 23242
Thanks for the info Bob. Will have a look and see if mine are leaking too.
Bob

2002 Allure 30760

[quote author=Jon
Gullette"

>

> Bob,
>

> Tell me more about the warning sign of compressor > oil leaking from

> the dash a/c drain tube. What does that mean? > >

> Thanks,
>

> Jon Gullette

> 2004 Inspire #51008
>
>
>

[quote author=Bob
Stephens"
>]
> >

> > We planned to get out of Phoenix in April but we > had to stay so
> Jack's

> > RV could try to fix our dash AC. Waste of time, > still no dash
> AC. Of

> > course, if Beaudry hadn't broke the AC when they > installed the
> tranny

> > cooler and if they had put the lead detection > dye in the system
> like

> > they claimed they did, we might have found the > real problem sooner.
> >

> > Sorry for the whining but we're a little bitter > about the

> inability of

> > anybody to fix these coaches. Even the CC tech > at the Rocky
> Mountain

> > CC rally made light of the warning sign of > compressor oil leaking
> from

> > the dash AC drain tube.
> >
> > Bob

> > '05 Intrigue 11872
> >
> >
> >

[quote author=Sue
Conant
>]
> > >

> > > Don¹t you know you¹re supposed to get out of > the Phoenix area in
> the

> > > summer???

> > > In all seriousness, glad your coach stayed > cool. We¹ll
> definitely
> > ask about

> > > this next week at CC and keep a close watch on > the coach going
> south.

> > > Thanks for the info.
> > > --
> > > Sue

> > > ?05-42¹ Allure #31254
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >