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Re: Hurricane again

Reply #25 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3497
Ree;

When you go to your dealer, please have them call us and we can make sure that they look at everything they need to look at. We can also guide them if they have any questions. Where are you located?

Craig

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #26 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3498
Walt;

The bleeder valve on the furnace circulation system (not the fuel bleeder, it is necessary and remains in place) has proven to be redundant and can cause leaks. The technical reason is as follows. There are two circulation loops in the XL, one is the water heater loop, which restricts fluid circulation to the inside of the XL box- we call this the summer loop, the other is the heating loop- called the winter loop- which allows circulation inside the coach and provides the space heat. These loops are controlled by a solenoid valve. There are two circulation pumps in the system, one inside the XL box and one external, under the front cap. When the system is running, both pumps run to ensure sufficient flow in the system. The solenoid valve is controlled by the thermosats inside the coach. When they "call" for heat, the solenoid switches and there is flow. When the thermostat is "satisfied", the solenoid closes and flow is inside the XL box. The problem occurs when the bleeder valve allows air to enter the system, due to being overpowered by the external circulation pump, causing fluid to flow out of the expansion tank and into the overflow tank, filling the overflow tank and spilling fluid.
Removing the valve is simple. It is threaded into a brass tee the has a 1/4" female thread. Unscrew the bleeder and screw in a 1/4" brass pipe plug into the tee. Use a good teflon thread sealant. If this is not clear, let me know and i will arrange to have drawings and schematics sent.

Craig

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #27 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3499
Hi Craig,

Thanks for the info. I worked on mine by changing out the tubing and putting more hose clamps, but frankly I noticed that sometimes fluid comes out of the top of the overflow tank. Will getting rid of the bleeder, help? I will definitely do that, but I am also concerned with the tubing. Perhaps plastic is not the correct type, maybe fuel line? If so what would be the correct ID?

Thanks,
Joe

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #28 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3500
Craig, I've already removed the bleeder and still have a leak. I think Joseph was the one asking the question.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #29 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3502
Craig

Have you had a chance to talk to the "smart" guys yet? Also, I am losing coolant, too. It just seems to disappear. It does not appear to be leaking anywhere, but at least once a week, I have to add approximately 1 quart of coolant.
Tom Royer

2003 Allure 30858

Quote from: craig garrison
Tom

I will check it out and get back to you. I think that there might be an issue with the controller aquastat but I need the smart guys to tell me how to check it out.

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #30 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3506
Are you sure the leak is really at the hurricane? It may be running down the hose to the hurricane from the air purge valve or the air purge valve is allowing air into the system which causes the overflow to fill and thus release coolant onto the ground. The overflow tank may also have a crack in the bottom of it that only shows up when hot coolant is introduced into the tank.
I've had all of these problems at one time or another.

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #31 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3507
Craig,

I am currently in Victoria, Texas. The dealer is Evergreen RV Center in New Braunfels, Texas.

Thanks for your comments.
Ree

Full-Timing in Allure # 30852
Headin' to the Baja on Dec. 24!!

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #32 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3511
The air vent has already been removed at Jim Rixen's recommendation. The leak is coming out the bottom and does not show up in the compartment. It seems to follow the exaust pipe and then drip off where the pipe bends. As of now, Rixen is going to send a new unit to Buddy Greg's in Dallas where I will be the first of next week, and they will replace my unit if they confirm there is an internal leak.

Walt Rothemel
2003Allure30811

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #33 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3518
Craig

While you are checking with the "smart" guys regarding the Hot Water switch, please ask them why my hot water does not stay "HOT". It starts out hot, for approximately 15 seconds, then it goes cold for approximately 15 seconds, then it gets hot again.

It stays hot for approximately 30 seconds, then it goes cold again and stays cold. All this time, the Hurricane is fired off and, evidently it is heating something, but not the hot water.

This happens vertually everytime we use the Hurricane hot water. It is becoming an irritant, especially when we are taking a shower. We never know what the temperature of the water is going to be. I think this is inconvenient, to say the least, and dangerous.

Thanks for your continued assistance with our Hurricane problems.

Tom Royer

2003 Allure/Cascade #30858

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #34 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3521
Tom, We have found that for the best consistent flow of water (hot or cold) in the shower we need to be connected to city water.
Our on board water pump just cannot provide the same pressure and consistent stream of water.
Are your problems occurring all the time or just when running the on board pump?

David and Karen,
2000 Intrigue 11062

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #35 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3525
Interesting! We get better water pressure from our on board pump. And with the "old " water heater we have yet to run out of hot water.
I'm sure that the Hurricane system will, one day, be a better system... but for now we are.... to coin a phrase.... happy campers!

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438, towing a
2014 Jeep Gr Cherokee ecoDiesel

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #36 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3526
David

It occurs with city water and pump. It is consistent with either source. That is why I am stumped with the temperature of the water.
Tom Royer

2003 Allure 30858

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #37 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3552
Hello to the group.

Sorry, I have been away for a while. To Joe and Patti, yes, remove the bleeder, the hose is OK for this use. The ID of the hose is 1/4".
To Tom and Sherry, I am a little unsure of what is going on and need some more info. If flame is present in the furnace, there should be some hot water present, even if you are heating the coach with all the fans on high because the hot water heat is the first priority in the coach. Let me outline a procedure for all Allure/XL owners. Look on the top of the unit. There is an elongated hole in the top of the box, near the fuel bleeder valve. Look down into that hole and see if there is a number visible. The number should be 4. If there is any other, smaller, number visible, your need to adjust the temp valve. Best way is with a flat blade screwdriver and the knob needs to be pushed to the right. The number 4 should show in the slot. If you want to take the top of the box off to get direct access to the valve, that's ok too. If anyone wants a complete explanation of the procedure, calll Jim at 800-925-6260 and he will walk you through. I am on the road this week.
C

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #38 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3558
A note of caution re bleeder valves-----remove it but don't throw it away. I just came from Dallas where my Hurricane was replaced due to multiple problems. Everything was OK until the first night when I heard a roaring surf noise in my coach. I got up twice to see if the washing machine was on.
It turned out to be air in the coolant lines for the Hurricane which couldn't get out since I had removed the bleeder. They asked if I had it and I told them I threw it away per Jim Rixen's instructions. I don't know how they finally got rid of the air, but the unit is now working well and is quiet.
Just a suggestion in case you ever have to drain and refill your coolant.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #39 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3562
Thanks,

I haven't taken mine out yet, but have the 1/4" plug as per Craig's instructions. Did you take yours out? Was it hard to do? Thanks,

Joe and Patti

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Reply #40 –
Yahoo Message Number: 3569
I don't know if this question is addressed to me, but I'll answer it anyway.
Yes, I took it out, and no it isn't hard to do. I did put a little mylar tapeon the joint.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

Hurricane again

Reply #42 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7669
This hurricane discussion is so depressing! Like Walt, I an now on my second Hurricane. I had the original hurricane replaced in March, 2003. I have had 7 codes, 2 codes, and continual loss of coolant.
When is Country Coach going to get on board and get these things fixed so we can enjoy our coaches?

I am going to have a new board installed on Saturday. This is supposed to solve the continuous 2 Code problem. I will let you know.
I have had the coolant system pressured checked at the factory to see if there is there was a leak in the system, but after 2 hours with 15 pounds of pressure on the system (the pressure cap is 7 pounds) no leaks were found. No solution, just a continuous loss of coolant.

Isn't it time to get rid of the Hurricane and install the HydroHot?

I wish this Hurricane problem would go away!!

Tom Royer

2003 Allure #30858

Re: Hurricane again (and again)

Reply #43 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7670
Hi Tom,

I know what you are saying, the Hurricane can put a real damper on things, no heat or hot water, period, if it goes out.
Many of us seem to have had problems of one sort or another with it. Just adds to the frustration when the dealers either don't know, or don't care how to trouble-shoot and fix these common problems.

Bill Harris

03 Allure 1st Ave 30912
Datastorm

Re: Hurricane again (and again)

Reply #44 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7671
We are considering the purchase of a 1998 Allure. What type of heat/ hot water would this coach have?

Thanks

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #45 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7672
I guess I'm more tolerant than some about these Hurricane problems because mine seemd to be working just fine for many months ( the entire unit was replaced some time ago). I just finished attempting the fix Mike gave us in his latest e-mail, but my board isn't configured the same as his. The middle screw in the dual 7-pin connector strip is red, not brown, and there is a green/gray striped wire connected to the bottom middle screw. Also, ther are no labels i.e.(p+ or sw) on the strip. My board is identified as "ITR Board modification #1 V2001
1522

This board was replaced I'm guessing early 2003.
Happily, I've now gone through three nights operating the furnace with no loss of coolant. Maybe my theory of replacing coolant which disappeared over the summer months is accurate.

Walt Rothermel
03Allure30811

Re: Hurricane again (and again)

Reply #46 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7673
I believe the 98 Allure has a combination lp gas/ electric water heater and a separate lp gas furnace. That was the common usage prior to installing the Hurricane furnace ( still with seperate water heater) in 2000 models. This is based on my previous ownership of '97 and 2000 Intrigues, and I believe the Allures had the same system. At any rate it will be superior the the Hurricane combo units we now have that are causing all the problems.

Walt Rothermel
03Allure30811

Re: Hurricane again (and again)

Reply #47 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7677
From: "spiker1029" Spiker1029@...>
Quote
I believe the 98 Allure has a combination lp gas/ electric water > heater and a separate lp gas furnace. (snip)
As does our '98 Intrigue. I do love the concept of the Hurricane; however, the apparent better dependability of the "old faithful" LP furnace is reassuring.

Dick (& Geri) Campagna
'98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97

Re: Hurricane again (and again)

Reply #48 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7679
My late 98 had forced air with a Surburban propane heater, noisy, but it never failed to work. Just close the bed room door and let her rip. Tom 98 Allure 30255, 2004 Intrigue 11731, hydro hot
 

Re: Hurricane again

Reply #49 –
Yahoo Message Number: 7680
I guess I shouldn't complain about my Webasto furnace after reading pages and pages about the Huricane. The Webasto works ok but is losing coolant somewhere. It seems to vary, sometimes less sometimes more. I can't find a leak anywhere. CC suggested that maybe the air vent was installed backwards and let out coolant instead of air. I looked at it I can't tell if it is or not. It looks like it might have leaked at some time in the past but not recently. The overflow hose on the pressure cap is sealed tight. I installed another hose and stuck it in a bottle. Nothing. jerry confused in NM, '00 Magna Indulgence.