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Paint ?

Yahoo Message Number: 82272
Hi,

Owing to poor aluminum preparation the paint along the bottom of my slide trim is lifting off, cracking, peeling and blistering. In some spots you could slide a quarter into the pocket between paint and trim. I'm planning on stripping the paint, using Alumiprep 33 Aluminum Cleaner followed by Alodine 1201 Chromate Conversion Coating to properly prepare the aluminum and prevent oxide creep. This will provide a good stable surface for adhesion of the top coat. My next challenge is to unravel the paint codes and "custom" fleet formulations so I can get the paint I need. I have three options:
1) Ask for information here.
2) Try to contact CCC and/or Oregon Motor Coach.
3) Take bay door off and have it scanned.

Thought I'd try here first. Below is the dope on the paint that is on the underside of the manual box lid.

All painted colors have 10% autocryl harderner 1-2-3 by weight.

Grey Brown Metallic - 316B2
Brown Metallic - 315H4

Black Gold Metallic SAT95:73

Sealer: Colorbuild 2.1-2.8
Clear: Autoclear HS + LV

I don't know if these numbers are "house" codes that have translations held only by CC. The paint supply house can't locate anything on them. I'm hoping for a DuPont (or other major paint company) code/formulation. Can anyone here shed some light on this? Or possibly provide a knowledgeable contact. Many thanks in advance for any information that comes forward. Per usual I'll chronicle this repair for others wishing to solve this problem.

Best - Scott

2006 Allure 430 #31349
(Bus-Stead Lemon)

Re: Paint ?

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 82275
The paint codes you have listed are actually page numbers in a CC paint book I had to get my Sikens codes from the Sikens rep Bob 06 intrigue 12047

Re: Paint ?

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 82280
Scott,

I have just had my problems with paint sorted here in the UK! The paints for me and I think all CC's are Sikkens and they knew the codes straight off and my paintshop could also work with solvent paints as per original CC as over here in the UK classic cars and caravans are allowed in solvent piants. They did a stunning match on my bronze and black!

Michael

2008 Allure 31683

Re: Paint ?

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 82291
Mike - Thanks. So I've got the OEM paint supplier now. That being Sikkens. What I need is the toner/tint instructions to provide my paint supplier so he can mix the colors. Would your contact in the UK be willing to provide this information? I'm doing the painting myself which might sour a body shop towards disseminating this information.

At 10:09 AM 9/11/2012, you wrote:

Re: Paint ?

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 82302
Scott,

My paintshop is a Sikkens approved shop, they just key in the codes and thats it I believe. I would suggest you start with Sikkens US and source a supplier from them. Other non Sikkens shops tried to scan the paints on the coach but were getting only 90% matches and I wanted the job done exactly so I went to the shop with the right paint and a booth big enough to handle the coach. Sorry I cannot be much more help.

Regards

Michael

2008 Allure 31683

Re: Paint ?

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 82304
Mike - Thanks for the information. I'm putting the scan options at the end of the list failing all other possibilities. All I need is for someone to mix me the proper colors in 8-16 oz quantities. I need very little paint to complete these repairs. Remaining within the same paint system would make that an easier task I would think. We'll see how this develops.

At 12:46 AM 9/12/2012, you wrote:

Re: Paint ?

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 82311
Scott;

Here's the list of auto refinishing for the sikkens product line. Hopefully the one closes to you can point U in the right direction to a retailer???

I work for Akzo Nobel, but not in the automotive division.
Steve, 95 Magna 5220

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.7300 E. Slauson AveCommerce CA United States of America T +1 323 725 6516

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.434 West Meats Avenue Orange CA 92665United States of America T +1 714 283 7560

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.5555 Spalding Drive Norcross GA 30092United States of America T +1 770 662 8464

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.1845 Maxwell StreetTroy MI 48084United States of America T +1 248 637 0400

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.1550 Progress DriveSpringfield OH 45505United States of America T +1 937 322 2671

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.460 Lapp Road Malvern PA 19355United States of America T +1 610 644 7300

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.3201 NE Loop 820 Fort Worth TX 76137United States of America T +1 817 232 9745

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.120 Franklin RoadPontiac MI 48341United States of America T +1 248 334 7010

Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc. Performance Coatings Akzo Nobel Coatings Inc.5300 Oak Brook Parkway, Building 200, Suite 230Norcross GA 30093United States of America T +1 770 279 9893

From: Scott To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:06 PMSubject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: Paint ?
Mike - Thanks for the information. I'm putting the scan options at the end of the list failing all other possibilities. All I need is for someone to mix me the proper colors in 8-16 oz quantities. I need very little paint to complete these repairs. Remaining within the same paint system would make that an easier task I would think. We'll see how this develops. At 12:46 AM 9/12/2012, you wrote: Scott, My paintshop is a Sikkens approved shop, they just key in the codes and thats it I believe. I would suggest you start with Sikkens US and source a supplier from them. Other non Sikkens shops tried to scan the paints on the coach but were getting only 90% matches and I wanted the job done exactly so I went to the shop with the right paint and a booth big enough to handle the coach. Sorry I cannot be much more help. RegardsMichael2008 Allure 31683--- In mailto:Country-Coach-Owners%40yahoogroups.com, Scott wrote:>> Mike - Thanks. So I've got the OEM paint > supplier now. That being Sikkens. What I need > is the toner/tint instructions to provide my > paint supplier so he can mix the colors. Would > your contact in the UK be willing to provide this > information? I'm doing the painting myself which > might sour a body shop towards disseminating this information.> > > At 10:09 AM 9/11/2012, you wrote:> >> >> >Scott,> >> >I have just had my problems with paint sorted > >here in the UK! The paints for me and I think > >all CC's are Sikkens and they knew the codes > >straight off and my paintshop could also work > >with solvent paints as per original CC as over > >here in the UK classic cars and caravans are > >allowed in solvent piants. They did a stunning match on my bronze and black!> >> >Michael> >2008 Allure 31683> >> >--- In > >mailto:Country-Coach-Owners%40yahoogroups.com, > >Scott wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > Owing to poor aluminum preparation the paint along the> > > bottom of my slide trim is lifting off, cracking, peeling and> > > blistering. In some spots you could slide a quarter into the pocket> > > between paint and trim. I'm planning on stripping the paint, using> > > Alumiprep 33 Aluminum Cleaner followed by Alodine 1201 Chromate> > > Conversion Coating to properly prepare the aluminum and prevent oxide> > > creep. This will provide a good stable surface for adhesion of the> > > top coat. My next challenge is to unravel the paint codes and> > > "custom" fleet formulations so I can get the paint I need. I have> > > three options:> > >> > > 1) Ask for information here.> > > 2) Try to contact CCC and/or Oregon Motor Coach.> > > 3) Take bay door off and have it scanned.> > >> > > Thought I'd try here first. Below is the dope on the paint that is> > > on the underside of the manual box lid.> > >> > > All painted colors have 10% autocryl harderner 1-2-3 by weight.> > >> > > Grey Brown Metallic - 316B2> > > Brown Metallic - 315H4> > > Black Gold Metallic SAT95:73> > >> > > Sealer: Colorbuild 2.1-2.8> > > Clear: Autoclear HS + LV> > [quote]
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I don't know if these numbers are "house" codes that have> > > translations held only by CC. The paint supply house can't locate> > > anything on them. I'm hoping for a DuPont (or other major paint> > > company) code/formulation. Can anyone here shed some light on> > > this? Or possibly provide a knowledgeable contact. Many thanks in> > > advance for any information that comes forward. Per usual I'll> > > chronicle this repair for others wishing to solve this problem.> > >> > > Best - Scott> > > 2006 Allure 430 #31349> > > (Bus-Stead Lemon)> > >> >> >> > Best - Scott> 2006 Allure 430 #31349> (Bus-Stead Lemon)> [/quote]
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Best - Scott2006 Allure 430 #31349(Bus-Stead Lemon)
 

Re: Paint ?

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Yahoo Message Number: 82312
Steve - Thanks so much for the contacts. I'll pursue and see what comes forth.

At 10:32 AM 9/12/2012, you wrote: