Re: Toyo Tires M144
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I have 12R 22.5 on my tags. (BF Goodrich ST230's that I installed on my steers about a year ago when we had two Michelin XZE*'s damaged by Pot Holes. Michelin shortage, so limited availability. The BF Goodrich were covered under the FMCA tire program, as Michelin makes BF Goodrich.)
Before this years trip, we put 6 XZA2 295/80 22.5 on the coach, movie the ST230's to the tag, as I wanted the less jarring ride of the XZA2's.
I called and talked with OMC before doing this, and they confirmed that the Tag was totally independent from the Drive and or Steers. (I had been concerned about leveling, and ride hight, but the leveler's have not impact on the Tag's, they adjust independently. And, the 12R vs 295/80 of these brands, are very close to each other size wise.)
Rickman's are fans of Toyo's. They buy them in bulk, and IMO it's their standard go to tire due to both they'll do the job, and provide the highest profit margins. Tokyo's are good tires, but the are made for the trucking industry, and they have as stiff as ride as the Michelin XZE*'s that I just removed. This according to two coach owners I know that have had both of these tires on their coaches.
I wanted higher energy efficiency, as every bit helps, and a bit less stiff riding tire. The Toyo's were not in my top 3 tires. ( 1) Michelin XZA2's; 2) BF Goodrich ST230's; 3) Continental (Forget the model.). All of these were in the proper load range for my coach.) If the Hankook AH12's were available in the sizes I wanted, I would have considered 6 of these on the Drive/Tag, and let the ST230's age out until replacement. They get many positive votes from owners of coaches similar to mine, and I trust the input from these owners.
I had trouble with Dicman's. Was called a liar in writing to American Express. I do not feel they treated me in either a professional or fair manner. They cost me money. The salesman did not honor my telling him that age of tires is important to RV owners. And that we'd need to 'Agree to disagree.' about this. He actually put a note into the invoice, that 'Age of tire is not guaranteed.'. However, he never sent me that invoice via Email as he said he would. It was not until I disputed the tires for multiple reasons, main being age and not being more energy efficient then the existing Michelin XZE*'s that I was replacing, that they sent a copy to American Express with that comment on the invoice. If I had seen this at time of order, I would have called back and cancelled it at that time. The Manager, who called me a liar in writing to American Express, was also more interested in trying to educate me on 'Tires don't age in the warehouse.' - and just now much more that he and the Salesman knew about tires then RV owners. Ego was evident over the phone.
For these reasons, I personally will never do business or recommend Dickman Tires. Regardless of their reputation and many happy RV owners. Including Country Coach owners. Next time I'm in the region, I will go to Les Schwab Corporate Headquarters in person, and let them know what Dickman did to me. I still may even take them to Small Claim's court, as a matter of principal. But admit that my wife is not as interested in me doing this as I was....
Best to all, and good luck on your tire choice,
Smitty
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