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303 aerospace protectant

Yahoo Message Number: 9123
About a month ago, I posted that I would have the 303 analyzed.
Well the results are in. 303 is a silicone fluid, etc. etc.
For those members of the group that can't find it in the stores, you can substitute Vinylex or Nu Vinyl. These are a 99%+ match for the 303 Aerospace Protectant.

I did a little test on the coach tires and nose mask. All three products were equal in performance( appearance, repelling water, dirt pick-up)

Steve

Magna 5220

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 9124

Steve,

I'm new here, so didn't see your previous post. Are these products better to use on tires than Amor All?

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 9128
Has anybody tried furniture polish on your tires such as Pledge? I was told its great on tires and used it a couple of times! Seems to work fine!

Mickey

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 9131
Glen;

Several coach owner are/were using 303 Aerospace Protectant for the roofs. Prior to 2002/2003, the roofs were not painted. Several of us have peeling coating along the roof edges. Roof material is a polyester gel coat. 303 is used to protect the roof, tires, interior surfaces, nose mask, etc. One step up from a wax for coatings.
As for Armor All, I didn't do a analysis of it. It could be very similar to the 303.
The idea is to protect the rubber in the tires from ozone and UV radiation. As the tires age, they crack, loose flexibility. Sealing the surface slows the process. Not to mention, it makes the tires look like new. So, I would expect Armor All to be beneficial. Is it as good as the others, Don't know.
Several of the post were in Oct/Nov. 2003 and in Feb 2004

Steve

Magna 5220

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 9132
Mickey;

Pledge contains hydrocarbon solvent and silicone. I don't know which silicone, but I don't like the idea of use hydrocarbon solvent on rubber. the solvent will soften the surface of the tire, even dissolve some of it, if exposed to the solvent to long.
Steve

Magna 5220

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 9137
Silicate : is a compound characterized by the presence of the elements, silicon, oxygen, and one or more metals with or without hydrogen. Good example is TALC

silicon : the basic structure of silicones consists of silicon-oxygen linkages. Absent is the metals. Very stable compounds do to this linkage.

silicates, could be found in rubbing compounds.
Steve, Sr. Chemist, product development group for a coatings company.
Magna 5220

Quote from: C\. Marshall
> Doesn't Country Coach say no silicates on finish? TWI 11731 >

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 9150
While attending the FMCA Rally in Albuquerque last month the Fantastic Vent representative recommended using 303 on the vents. He said to throughly cleaning everything, then coat the fan, supports, inside of the dome cover and the screen with 303. Let it dry before use. He claimed this allows dry 'dusting' for about six months, compared to wet cleaning with 409/Fantastic, etc. more frequently.

Sawbuck

2002 Magna #6159

Quote from: burdicks
About a month ago, I posted that I would have the 303 analyzed.
Well the results are in. 303 is a silicone fluid, etc. etc.
For those members of the group that can't find it in the stores,

you

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can substitute Vinylex or Nu Vinyl. These are a 99%+ match for the > 303 Aerospace Protectant.

I did a little test on the coach tires and nose mask. All three > products were equal in performance( appearance, repelling water,

dirt

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29730
Wow, now we know. Thanks!

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Swenson Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:30 AM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: 303 aerospace protectant

ok this is where it came from

Quote from: burdicks
About a month ago, I posted that I would have the 303 analyzed.
Well the results are in. 303 is a silicone fluid, etc. etc.
For those members of the group that can't find it in the stores, you > can substitute Vinylex or Nu Vinyl. These are a 99%+ match for the > 303 Aerospace Protectant.

I did a little test on the coach tires and nose mask. All three > products were equal in performance( appearance, repelling water, dirt > pick-up)

Steve

Magna 5220

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29731
For those that read my email from the past. The 303 is a fluid, I didn't say it was a silicone oil. A BIG difference. If you go to the EPA registry, you would see a whole lot of compounds that contain silicone (silicone oils, silicone polymers, silicone fluids, etc) Some of the polymers and fluids are water soluble. Some are not. Thus, 303 can say it doesn't contain hydrocarbon solvents, if the silicone fluid is one that is water soluble.
So, companies can make all kinds of claims, "Truth in advertising".
Chemist know chemistry, marketing knows bull sh_t.
303 is a good product, but there are others that are just as good, a couple I mentioned in my ole email.

Steve

95 Magna 5220

Senior Chemist, also

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29732
Awhile back I reported that our favorite spiffer-upper, Honda Spray Polish & Cleaner, was discontinued pending a reformulation to meet new EPA requirements. It's now back.
Don't know what might have changed. But if you're looking to polish anything textured, look no further. Used by professional detailers. No financial interest in this (although we do have three Hondas).

Bill & Debbie in San Diego

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29733
Wait a minute. Mr. Swensen made the statement that 303 was not a polymer-based product, it was a silicone-based product. I am not a chemist, but I want to know, since the people at 303 say it is a polymer, is it or not? They make the specific statement that the polymer bonds to the surface, and that the unbonded polymer must be wiped up as if they are not they will attract dirt.
I contated 303 on their web site and asked about their product. This is an excerpt from their reply:

"What happens if it's not wiped completely dry? Extra 303 remains on the surface. The dionized water evaporates out leaving the 303 polymer itself, which is a liquid. This excess, unremoved, unbonded polymer will attract dust and soiling, in the rain, run off of the improperly cured."

My reading is that it is a silicone polymer. My understanding (again, I am not a chemist, so this is second-hand knowledge) is that petrolem-based products and silicone oils are bad for tires.

Al Colby

2000 Intrigue 10979

Quote from: stephen burdick\[br\
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For those that read my email from the past. The 303 is a fluid, I
didn't say it was a

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silicone oil. A BIG difference. If you go to the EPA registry,
you would see a whole lot

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of compounds that contain silicone (silicone oils, silicone
polymers, silicone fluids, etc)

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Some of the polymers and fluids are water soluble. Some are not.
Thus, 303 can say it

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doesn't contain hydrocarbon solvents, if the silicone fluid is
one that is water soluble.

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So, companies can make all kinds of claims, "Truth in
advertising".

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Chemist know chemistry, marketing knows bull sh_t.

303 is a good product, but there are others that are just as
good, a couple I mentioned in

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29734
OK

Nit pick could be a poly base of sorts but Silicone for sure you decide if it is even important to get that picky about, but if so check this web site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer#Polymer_science M Swenson

Intrigue 01 11314

Quote from: Allan Colby
Wait a minute. Mr. Swensen made the statement that 303 was not a > polymer-based product, it was a silicone-based product. I am not a > chemist, but I want to know, since the people at 303 say it is a > polymer, is it or not? They make the specific statement that the > polymer bonds to the surface, and that the unbonded polymer must be > wiped up as if they are not they will attract dirt.

I contated 303 on their web site and asked about their product.

This

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is an excerpt from their reply: >

"What happens if it's not wiped completely dry? Extra 303 remains

on

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the surface. The dionized water evaporates out leaving the 303 > polymer itself, which is a liquid. This excess, unremoved,

unbonded

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polymer will attract dust and soiling, in the rain, run off of the > improperly cured."

My reading is that it is a silicone polymer. My understanding > (again, I am not a chemist, so this is second-hand knowledge) is

that

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petrolem-based products and silicone oils are bad for tires.

Al Colby

2000 Intrigue 10979

[quote author=stephen burdick

>

> For those that read my email from the past. The 303 is a fluid, I > didn't say it was a

> silicone oil. A BIG difference. If you go to the EPA registry, > you would see a whole lot

> of compounds that contain silicone (silicone oils, silicone > polymers, silicone fluids, etc)

> Some of the polymers and fluids are water soluble. Some are

not.

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29738
Well, Richard, you gave me a laugh. After all this, I could use one!

Al Colby

2000 intrigue 10979

Quote from: Richard
 

Re: 303 aerospace protectant

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Yahoo Message Number: 29743
I thought we got pretty carried away on the "50 amp" thread, but this has it beat!

Everett

99 Intrigue 10758