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Deep Cycle Batteries

Yahoo Message Number: 40538
In replacing 4 8D batteries, 2 for the chassis and 2 for the House, My battery supplier tells me that Deep Cycle Batteries are no longer made. (Hard for me to Believe). Everything I have learned in 30 years in the Marina business, and in Motorhoming has taught me that Deep Cycle must be used because of the frequent discharging and charging, of the house batteries. He tells me that regular batteries because they are now built with more and heavier plates and higher amp hour reserve (430) are now being used widely in Motor Coaches.. Would like to have comments from anyone in the forum on this subject. The 8D's that I am replacing had reg batteries for the chassis that lasted 2 1/2 years and 2 8D's Champion Deep Cycle on the House side that are 5 years old. Jbells 94 Concept 5111

Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40543
Sounds like he is trying to get rid of some of his stock and separate you from some money.
Found this link on another RV site, http://www.interstatebatteries.com/content/product_info/marine_f.asp?js=1 it gives the specs of variuous Interstate batteries.
Interstate clearly still makes deep cycle specific batteries and I am pretty sure so do all the other major manufacturers.
Some more info from the same source: "1-8D battery is physically the same size as 3 Group 27 12 volt deep cycle batteries. Having 2-8D's is like having 6 Group 27 12 volt deep cycle batteries. Your reserve capacity is about 1,000 minnutes and the cost for 2-8D batteries is about $600.
Had 6-6Volt deep cycle Golf Cart (GC) batteries been used (2 each in series) you would have a RESERVE CAPACITY 3 TIMES GREATER, OR APROXIMATELY 3,000 MINNUTES reserve capacity."
Last time this topic was discussed I believe the wet cell batteries are still the most cost effective way to power a coach although they do require some attention to water levels. THe much more expensive fiberglass mat batteries are less trouble but that's the only serious advantage.

I am sure other opinions will be forthcoming.
Sam's and WalMart have good prices on wet cell 8D and GC batteries. The last time I looked I think the 8D was about $200 and the GC a bit over $50 but that was before the recent run up in transportation costs.

Bob Handren

'05 Country Coach Inspire 51178
'00 JGCL

Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40547
Bob,

Yes, you are right about the overall cost of batteries being more economical with flooded wet cell deep cycles but just one time of allowing the plates to be exposed to air will ruin them which negates any advantage. I too have had both kinds on board my boat for many years but because of a long storage without attention I had one battery in a bank destroyed which required replacing all batteries in that bank (all batteries in the bank should be exactly the same type and vintage). Another significant advantage, besides being lazy about checking water, is the fact that AGM (absorbed glass mat) gel batteries normally can be charged at a much higher amperage (not voltage) which means much less time running a genset. I have the original wet cells in my house bank now but when I replace them I'll go with something like the larger LifeLine 6 volt 300amp hr AGM's available at most marine centers.
Just a little more to think about!

John Pedersen
05 Inspire #51399
98 Explorer Sport/
04 Harley Ultra

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Sounds like he is trying to get rid of some of his stock and
separate you from some money.

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Found this link on another RV site,
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/content/product_info/marine_f.asp?js=1%c2%a0it gives the specs of variuous Interstate batteries.

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Interstate clearly still makes deep cycle specific batteries and I
am pretty sure so do all the other major manufacturers.

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Some more info from the same source: "1-8D battery is physically the
same size as 3 Group 27 12 volt deep cycle batteries. Having 2-8D's is like having 6 Group 27 12 volt deep cycle batteries. Your reserve capacity is about 1,000 minnutes and the cost for 2-8D batteries is about $600.

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Had 6-6Volt deep cycle Golf Cart (GC) batteries been used (2 each in
series) you would have a RESERVE CAPACITY 3 TIMES GREATER, OR APROXIMATELY 3,000 MINNUTES reserve capacity."

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Last time this topic was discussed I believe the wet cell batteries
are still the most cost effective way to power a coach although they do require some attention to water levels. THe much more expensive fiberglass mat batteries are less trouble but that's the only serious advantage.

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I am sure other opinions will be forthcoming.
> Sam's and WalMart have good prices on wet cell 8D and GC batteries.
The last time I looked I think the 8D was about $200 and the GC a bit over $50 but that was before the recent run up in transportation costs.

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Bob Handren

'05 Country Coach Inspire 51178
'00 JGCL

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, J. Barrie Boas wrote: >

From: J. Barrie Boas

Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Deep Cycle Batteries > To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 8:10 PM >

> In replacing 4 8D batteries, 2 for the chassis and 2 for the House,
My battery supplier tells me that Deep Cycle Batteries are no longer made. (Hard for me to Believe). Everything I have learned in 30 years in the Marina business, and in Motorhoming has taught me that Deep Cycle must be used because of the frequent discharging and charging, of the house batteries. He tells me that regular batteries because they are now built with more and heavier plates and higher amp hour reserve (430) are now being used widely in Motor Coaches.. Would like to have comments from anyone in the forum on this subject. The 8D's that I am replacing had reg batteries for the chassis that lasted 2 1/2 years and 2 8D's Champion Deep Cycle on the House side that are 5 years old. Jbells 94 Concept 5111

Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40550
Yup, I agree there are other advantages to the AGM batteries. My collector cars use them for the same reason you indicated - neglect while we are traveling in the CC. I keep up with the coach batteries faithfully but with what it costs to fill up the tank these days the prices for AGMs are looking less significant. Somewhere I came across a very reasonable Chinese 8D AGM battery. When the prices get more reasonable it will be a no brainer to dump the wet cells for AGMs.

Bob Handren

'05 Country Coach Inspire 51178
'00 JGCL

Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40552
You need a new battery supplier.

Look at lifeline and Trojan battery web sites two of the top brands for deep cycle RV batteries.
If I knew what part of the country you are in I might recommend a supplier.

Bob Wexler
SOB

Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

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Yahoo Message Number: 40556
--BOB: Located on East Coast in MD near Elkton, 35 miles north of Aalt. Jbells 94 Concept 5111- In Country-Coach- Owners@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Wexler" wrote:

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You need a new battery supplier.
> Look at lifeline and Trojan battery web sites two of the top brands

for deep

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cycle RV batteries.

If I knew what part of the country you are in I might recommend a

supplier.

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Bob Wexler

SOB

> From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J.

Barrie Boas

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> In replacing 4 8D batteries, 2 for the chassis and 2 for the House,

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battery supplier tells me that Deep Cycle Batteries are no longer

made.

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(Hard for me to Believe). Everything I have learned in 30 years in

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Marina business, and in Motorhoming has taught me that Deep Cycle

must be

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used because of the frequent discharging and charging, of the house > batteries. He tells me that regular batteries because they are now

built

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with more and heavier plates and higher amp hour reserve (430) are

now being

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used widely in Motor Coaches.. Would like to have comments from

anyone in

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the forum on this subject. The 8D's that I am replacing had reg

batteries

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for the chassis that lasted 2 1/2 years and 2 8D's Champion Deep

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Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40561
They are still making the deep cycle battery. The info your supplier gave you is just not true.
Try NAPA and the part number is 8276 for 8 D deep cycle. 7271 for chassis 8 D starting. Good choice as the battery could be warranty or replaced any where , over 6000 stores in north America.
AL

00 affinity #5851

Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 40567
I am from the west coast, so I don't have any MD connections other than http://www.queenstownrv.com/Index_files/Index_heading.gif?0AD2903E
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888-474-4900

I did not check their price on batteries but what I did buy there was priced right.

Bob Wexler
SOB

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Re: Deep Cycle Batteries

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Yahoo Message Number: 40575
Les Schwab is having A battery sale for the home coming rally. $465.00 for AMG I believe.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731