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I believe that there was a -3000 lb error made when my Gross > Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) was calculated at the factory. The > GCWR for my 2003 36' Allure is 40,200 lbs and my Gross Vehicle > Weight Rating (GVWR) is 33,200 lbs. This leaves me a 7,000 towing > capacity (40,200 ? 33,200). But, I have a 10,000lb hitch from the > factory. I think (IMO) that my GCWR should be 43,200 lbs (GVWR of > 33,200 + 10,000 lbs for towing). The drive-train consists of the > Cummins ISL 370 HP, and the Allison 6 speed. Based on other > coaches, both are capable of towing 10,000 lbs. I think that the > 2003 Allure came standard with the 350 HP engine and a 7,000 lb > hitch. Since my 370 HP engine and 10,000 hitch were an upgrade on > this coach in 2003, I feel that the standard (wrong) spec numbers > were carried over to my coach in error. I have expressed my theory > to CC tech support via email and have asked them what limits me to

GCWR to 40,200 lbs. It's not the 10,000 lb hitch. It's not the > engine or tranny. And it's not any extra weight loaded onto/into > the chassis/coach. All I get from CC is to "?not exceed my

If my theory is correct, I would really like CC to verify the error > and provide an updated data plate. If I'm wrong, I would like to > understand why. I'm hoping someone here knows. Does anyone know

>

Larry, my 2004 Allure with the 370 ISL has a GVWR or 33,200 and a > GCWR of 40,200. I have the 10,000 pound hitch just like you.

I think the reason is that there is some other chassis component

system that limits the total to 40,200. I think that these rating > limits on your coach are correct.

The way to look at it is as follows.....

Keep actual weight of coach at or below 30,200 (not difficult with

33 footer)

Tow 10,000 lb trailer for a total of 40,200 lbs.

In other words...you can save the weight in the coach and use it

the trailer.

The only problem now is what is the max hitch weight capacity. A > 10,000 lb trailer needs to have at least 1,000 lbs on the hitch or

will not tow well. I don't know what that limit is on my hitch.

George in Birmingham, AL
'04 Allure 31038

[quote author=Larry Feather"

>

> I believe that there was a -3000 lb error made when my Gross > > Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) was calculated at the factory.

GCWR for my 2003 36' Allure is 40,200 lbs and my Gross Vehicle > > Weight Rating (GVWR) is 33,200 lbs. This leaves me a 7,000

capacity (40,200 ? 33,200). But, I have a 10,000lb hitch from

factory. I think (IMO) that my GCWR should be 43,200 lbs (GVWR

33,200 + 10,000 lbs for towing). The drive-train consists of

Cummins ISL 370 HP, and the Allison 6 speed. Based on other > > coaches, both are capable of towing 10,000 lbs. I think that

2003 Allure came standard with the 350 HP engine and a 7,000 lb > > hitch. Since my 370 HP engine and 10,000 hitch were an upgrade

this coach in 2003, I feel that the standard (wrong) spec

were carried over to my coach in error. I have expressed my

to CC tech support via email and have asked them what limits me

a

> GCWR to 40,200 lbs. It's not the 10,000 lb hitch. It's not the > > engine or tranny. And it's not any extra weight loaded

the chassis/coach. All I get from CC is to "?not exceed my > GCWR."

> If my theory is correct, I would really like CC to verify the

and provide an updated data plate. If I'm wrong, I would like

understand why. I'm hoping someone here knows. Does anyone

of

> other 36' Allures with my drive train/hitch configuration that

tow 10,000 lbs? Any ideas how I can get CC to entertain my

Could it be that the hitch is attached to a rail/chassis extension > that is the limiting factor? I know some manufacturers attach > extensions to the rear of the rails and the design is not rated for > the same weight loads.

Jim

2000 Allure #30511 w/7,000# hitch >

[quote author=George Sanders"

>

> Larry, my 2004 Allure with the 370 ISL has a GVWR or 33,200 and a > > GCWR of 40,200. I have the 10,000 pound hitch just like you.
>

> I think the reason is that there is some other chassis component > or

> system that limits the total to 40,200. I think that these rating > > limits on your coach are correct.
>

> The way to look at it is as follows.....
>

> Keep actual weight of coach at or below 30,200 (not difficult

my
> 33 footer)
>

> Tow 10,000 lb trailer for a total of 40,200 lbs.
>

> In other words...you can save the weight in the coach and use it > in

> the trailer.
>

> The only problem now is what is the max hitch weight capacity. A > > 10,000 lb trailer needs to have at least 1,000 lbs on the hitch

it

> will not tow well. I don't know what that limit is on my hitch.
>

> George in Birmingham, AL
> '04 Allure 31038
>
>

[quote author=Larry Feather"
>]
> >

> > I believe that there was a -3000 lb error made when my Gross > > > Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) was calculated at the factory.
The

> > GCWR for my 2003 36' Allure is 40,200 lbs and my Gross Vehicle > > > Weight Rating (GVWR) is 33,200 lbs. This leaves me a 7,000 > towing

> > capacity (40,200 ? 33,200). But, I have a 10,000lb hitch from > the

> > factory. I think (IMO) that my GCWR should be 43,200 lbs (GVWR > of

> > 33,200 + 10,000 lbs for towing). The drive-train consists of > the

> > Cummins ISL 370 HP, and the Allison 6 speed. Based on other > > > coaches, both are capable of towing 10,000 lbs. I think that > the

> > 2003 Allure came standard with the 350 HP engine and a 7,000 lb > > > hitch. Since my 370 HP engine and 10,000 hitch were an upgrade > on

> > this coach in 2003, I feel that the standard (wrong) spec > numbers

> > were carried over to my coach in error. I have expressed my > theory

> > to CC tech support via email and have asked them what limits me > to
> a

> > GCWR to 40,200 lbs. It's not the 10,000 lb hitch. It's not

Jim

2000 Allure #30511 w/7,000# hitch >

[quote author=George Sanders"

>

> Larry, my 2004 Allure with the 370 ISL has a GVWR or 33,200 and a > > GCWR of 40,200. I have the 10,000 pound hitch just like you.
>

> I think the reason is that there is some other chassis component > or

> system that limits the total to 40,200. I think that these rating > > limits on your coach are correct.
>

> The way to look at it is as follows.....
>

> Keep actual weight of coach at or below 30,200 (not difficult

my
> 33 footer)
>

> Tow 10,000 lb trailer for a total of 40,200 lbs.
>

> In other words...you can save the weight in the coach and use it > in

> the trailer.
>

> The only problem now is what is the max hitch weight capacity. A > > 10,000 lb trailer needs to have at least 1,000 lbs on the hitch

it

> will not tow well. I don't know what that limit is on my hitch.
>

> George in Birmingham, AL
> '04 Allure 31038
>
>

[quote author=Larry Feather"
>]
> >

> > I believe that there was a -3000 lb error made when my Gross > > > Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) was calculated at the factory.
The

> > GCWR for my 2003 36' Allure is 40,200 lbs and my Gross Vehicle > > > Weight Rating (GVWR) is 33,200 lbs. This leaves me a 7,000 > towing

> > capacity (40,200 ? 33,200). But, I have a 10,000lb hitch from > the

> > factory. I think (IMO) that my GCWR should be 43,200 lbs (GVWR > of

> > 33,200 + 10,000 lbs for towing). The drive-train consists of > the

> > Cummins ISL 370 HP, and the Allison 6 speed. Based on other > > > coaches, both are capable of towing 10,000 lbs. I think that > the

> > 2003 Allure came standard with the 350 HP engine and a 7,000 lb > > > hitch. Since my 370 HP engine and 10,000 hitch were an upgrade > on

> > this coach in 2003, I feel that the standard (wrong) spec > numbers

> > were carried over to my coach in error. I have expressed my > theory

> > to CC tech support via email and have asked them what limits me > to
> a

> > GCWR to 40,200 lbs. It's not the 10,000 lb hitch. It's not

>

Jim, as an afterthought to your theory...

" Could it be that the hitch is attached to a rail/chassis

that is the limiting factor? I know some manufacturers attach > extensions to the rear of the rails and the design is not rated for > the same weight loads."
> After thinking about what you said (above),that shouldn't matter in > this instance because my rear rails are sturdy enough to tow the > 10,000 lbs. Hence my 10,000lb hitch. IMHO, adding weight to the > coach chassis itself should not specifically effect the tow

of the rear rails that my 10,000lb hitch is attached to. I can tow > 10,000 lbs, as long as I don't exceed the GCWR. So what's stopping > me (limiting factor) from loading more weight into the coach? The > pulling capacity and the weight loaded into the coach, (lifting > weight, so to speak), are totally independent of each other (IMHO).
Look at it this way, per the data plate, I can load up the coach to > 33,200 and tow 7,000. Or, I can load the coach to only 30,200 and > tow 10,000. Either way, Ive got something maxed out in weight

the data plate limitations. What is the technical limitiation of > maxing out both of them at the same time. If, my theory is correct > about the tow and carrying weights being independent, then I should > be able to tow and carry a total of 43,200 lbs. Thoughts? >

Larry, 2003 Allure #30856
>
> Jim

> 2000 Allure #30511 w/7,000# hitch > >
>

[quote author=George Sanders"
>]
> >

> > Larry, my 2004 Allure with the 370 ISL has a GVWR or 33,200 and

> GCWR of 40,200. I have the 10,000 pound hitch just like you.
> >

> > I think the reason is that there is some other chassis

or

> > system that limits the total to 40,200. I think that these

> limits on your coach are correct.
> >

> > The way to look at it is as follows.....
> >

> > Keep actual weight of coach at or below 30,200 (not difficult > with
> my

> > 33 footer)
> >

> > Tow 10,000 lb trailer for a total of 40,200 lbs.
> >

> > In other words...you can save the weight in the coach and use

in
> > the trailer.
> >

> > The only problem now is what is the max hitch weight capacity.

> 10,000 lb trailer needs to have at least 1,000 lbs on the hitch > or
> it

> > will not tow well. I don't know what that limit is on my hitch.
> >

> > George in Birmingham, AL
> > '04 Allure 31038
> >
> >

[quote author=Larry Feather"
> >]
> > >

> > > I believe that there was a -3000 lb error made when my Gross > > > > Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) was calculated at the factory.
> The

> > > GCWR for my 2003 36' Allure is 40,200 lbs and my Gross

> > Weight Rating (GVWR) is 33,200 lbs. This leaves me a 7,000 > > towing

> > > capacity (40,200 ? 33,200). But, I have a 10,000lb hitch

the

> > > factory. I think (IMO) that my GCWR should be 43,200 lbs

of

> > > 33,200 + 10,000 lbs for towing). The drive-train consists of > > the

> > > Cummins ISL 370 HP, and the Allison 6 speed. Based on other > > > > coaches, both are capable of towing 10,000 lbs. I think that > > the

> > > 2003 Allure came standard with the 350 HP engine and a 7,000

> > hitch. Since my 370 HP engine and 10,000 hitch were an

on

> > > this coach in 2003, I feel that the standard (wrong) spec > > numbers

> > > were carried over to my coach in error. I have expressed my > > theory

> > > to CC tech support via email and have asked them what limits

to
> > a

> > > GCWR to 40,200 lbs. It's not the 10,000 lb hitch. It's not > the

> > > engine or tranny. And it's not any extra weight loaded > > onto/into

> > > the chassis/coach. All I get from CC is to "?not exceed my > > > GCWR."

> > > If my theory is correct, I would really like CC to verify the > > error

> > > and provide an updated data plate. If I'm wrong, I would

to

> > > understand why. I'm hoping someone here knows. Does anyone > > know
> > of

> > > other 36' Allures with my drive train/hitch configuration