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Toyo Tires

Yahoo Message Number: 69647
Just read the file on "Toyo Recall". When we replaced our front tires in 2009, I called Toyo customer service in regard to their instruction on NOT mounting their tires on National Products. I initially got that info from Dickman Tire, they would not sell to CC. I told Toyo that our coach did not have a slide and that I had measured weight data showing that no wheel was in excess of their specifications. They said there should be no problem with mounting a Toyo on the steer axle. The company where we purchased the tires, was not knowledgeable of that bulletin.

Judy n Joe

98 Intrigue 10578

Re: Toyo Tires

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Yahoo Message Number: 69649

Joe: Me too. Some of those recall's are over 10 years old and were because of overweight GVW. I just replaced six Toyos with new ones had coach weighed and each tire is within weight limits. Wear great and give a great ride. Barie Boas 94 Concept 5111

Toyo Tires

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Yahoo Message Number: 76013
Purchased a 2003 CC Allure Cascade. Found out that the TOYO tires are over 9 years old and therefore should be replaced. Read that TOYO tires should not be used on Country coaches. Has anyone encounteded this problem and what tires did you replace them with? We want to probably buy a new coach in 3 years, therefore, don't want to invest $800 per tire.

Re: Toyo Tires

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Yahoo Message Number: 76014
Hi Patricia,

Tires can sometimes reveal different opinions amongst us all:)! I consider tires the most primary safety item on a coach, car, truck, etc. The final thing that controls forward, turning and stopping - or those little sections of the tires that make contact with the surface. So, regardless of how long I'm planning to hold on to a car, truck, RV - I put the best tires I can on them. I budget accordingly, and expect to pay more then what some tires can be purchased for.
OK - That's me, and my slant on things. Tires in general, all IMO:)!

Tier 1

Quote
>Michelin (multiple models, but for the 12R size you may have, XZE or XZE*.
Goodyear G670

Tier 2

Bridgestone R250
BF Goodrich
Toyo

I made the choice to go with the Michelin ZXE*. If considering Tier 2, then I would price shop between the Bridgestone or BF Goodrich, and go with the best price. Many other brands exists, and many owners have been pleased with the service of these tires.
One last factor, if you are selling the coach by yourself in the future. Many will be looking at the age, and brand/model of tire. A higher up the pecking order tire on the coach, could nudge a sell when a buyer is comparing your coach with some other rig. So perhaps a bit more out of pocket now, will come back some on the back end.
But if you can afford it, I recommend doing your own research, and buying the best quality tire you can afford. And of course, do a four corner weight and set the PSI to that tires manufacturers PSI chart.

Have fun, and best of luck,
Smitty

04 Allure 31017 (Also the High Cascade - wife loves the long galley counters!)
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

Re: Toyo Tires - Tires in General

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Yahoo Message Number: 76017
Greetings!

A friend (Monaco Dynasty) recently suffered a blowout that resulted in a wreck. His tires were five year-old Goodyears.
Goodyear told him the tires should have been swapped out at three years. Interesting. Can that be right?
One quality/characteristic of tires that seems to vary, but is not much discussed, is UV resistance. I'm led to believe some "tier 1" tires are otherwise great, but have low UV resistance.
Since rotting is generally the RV tire's worst enemy and the reason for swap out after "X" years, does anyone know of a good source for UV resistance comparison among the popular brands?

Just wonderin'.
Jay

05 Inspire 51457 (seven year-old Toyos with faint evidence of cracking sidewalls in the Florida sun)

Re: Toyo Tires - Tires in General

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Yahoo Message Number: 76018
Goodyear in bold fine print says 4 years on their G670 tires, don't now about others. Some Michelins are 7 some 5 or 6, so be aware. The last FMCA rally we attended their was a gent in the Vendors area handing out reading material about tire wear. Included was a chart with close up photos of tire wear patterns, side wall cracking, etc. I found it very informative, not that I was unaware, but it gave me a clue as to what is acceptable ware and what is not. He wasn't with Les Schwab Tire centers.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731. 3.5 year old Michelin XZ2.

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Yahoo Message Number: 76019
Had TOYOs on my coach when I bought it and replaced them with TOYOs last year. They were seven years old. Love them

George

'04 Inspire 51061

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Yahoo Message Number: 76020
We had Toyo tires on our '04 Allure. We had "cupping" on the front tires. They also smelled funny. We researched our options and decided on BF Goodrich ST230's, Load range H, size 12R22.5. Pat at Pro Tire in Denton TX. 2 years ago they were about $500 each. BF Goodrich was purchased by Michelin. Our tires were manufactured in Columbia SC. Pro Tire came to our site, mounted, balanced, aligned, checked ride height. He had worked on Country Coaches and Prevost. Very professional service. Total price for everything $3650 for 6 tires. Probably more expensive today. We have about 15,000 miles on the BF Goodrich and are very pleased with them.
Lonny & Diane
'04 Allure 33'
#31065

Re: Toyo Tires

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Yahoo Message Number: 76022
Look into the FMCA Michelin program. A friend of my just purchased six tires and he said he saved $900 over the quote from the same dealer. The dealer professed not to know about the program and was astounded by the price.

Dan 2006 Allure 31348

Re: Toyo Tires - Tires in General

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Yahoo Message Number: 76023
Every tire dealer I have talked to says that tire life is related to the environment in which the vehicle is stored and how it is used. More regular use is better less exposure to direct heat is better.
One thing I have noticed is less steer axle cupping on my Michelins than I experience with the Goodyear G670.
Dan 2006 Allure 31348.

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Yahoo Message Number: 76025
Quote from: Patricia

> Purchased a 2003 CC Allure Cascade. Found out that the TOYO tires are
over 9 years old and therefore should be replaced. Read that TOYO tires should not be used on Country coaches. Has anyone encounteded this problem and what tires did you replace them with? We want to probably buy a new coach in 3 years, therefore, don't want to invest $800 per tire.



My coach came with Toyo tires and lasted for 45000 miles and never had a flat. Replaced because of age with the same and now have 22000 on new ones and not a problem . I would use them again and the ride is good.

#11266

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Yahoo Message Number: 76026
Dear Unsigned Your comment that you " don't want to spend 800$ on tires " First, I wonder what you think the choices are, if you have 9 year old tires. They don't sell used tires that are 4 years old , so that they will be 7 years old when you buy a new coach. Don't think you want to put your life , in an old tire ! As well , when you trade the coach in for a new coach, they will discount the value of new tires, because the dealer can't sell a coach with 7 year old tires. This is not a deal you can win. Seems to me that I would want the comfort of driving on good tires , for the 3 years , that I owned the coach. Just MHO ( My Humble Opinion ) Don't be penny wise , and pound foolish.

Ron Baran 09 Magna 7025

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Yahoo Message Number: 76032
Patricia,

I took advantage of FMCA's Michelin Advantage Program when replacing my OEM Toyo's. See the description of my experience in message #74258. The base cost of the XZA2's I got was $553.

Nate Richards
04 Allure 31043

Re: Toyo Tires - Picture of a Toyo failure

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Yahoo Message Number: 76038
Here is photo of a recent Toyo failure that I had while driving a 2006 Magna on a 26k mile - 6 yr old Toyo 12R
The SmarTire gave me once second of warning on the temp and pressure, but that was enough to prepare for it and hold on....
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150401476894492&set=a.10150381187459492.354678.58083874491&type=1&theater
Steve

Re: Toyo Tires - Picture of a Toyo failure

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Yahoo Message Number: 76039
I thought Magnas had 315's on the front and 12R's on the rear with 05 coaches.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731 w/ 3 year old Michelin 12R

Re: Toyo Tires - Picture of a Toyo failure

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Yahoo Message Number: 76064
I have XZ2, which was michelins highway tire at the time, While the XZE* was the regional tire with 1/16" more tread and thicker side walls to handle abuse. They are quieter, smoother riding, and don't wander like the Toyo. They have about 36,000 miles of wear and the steer tires are starting to show edge ware. The remaining 6 look as new. So when we go tp the Friendship rally in Harrisburg during July I will have the tires inspected and rotated at Bob Dickman's Les Schwab in Junction city.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731

Tire Heat

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Yahoo Message Number: 80527
We are on the trip of a life time (for us) and during the TPMS by the Silver Leaf it defaulted to the tire temperature screen. I do not think it was operating correctly.
It would show one tire hot (red) at 154 degrees and another in yellow at 156 degree.
My question is "at what temperature should you be concerned with for a tire" Can the "Silver Leaf" temperature gauge be changed, without being a major pain? Thanks

Dave

07 Country Coach Allure 430 #31495 12 Jeep GC Toad Mountains of So Cal
Dave & Jodi
2007 CC Allure 40’ Tag #31495
2012 Jeep GC
Big Bear Lake, Ca & Henderson, Nev

Re: Tire Heat

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Yahoo Message Number: 80530
Dave, yes the temperature warning settings can be changed. It's no big deal. Consult your SilverLeaf Owner's manual.
I too have seen those temps many times. As they warm up you should see a circle at the top left/center of your screen go to yellow (an alert), then red (the hot warning). You can change all those temp ranges. Can't say anything about tire damage!?

The inner duals usually get there first.

--

Lee (leozbrowski@...) 2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13

Re: Tire Heat

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Yahoo Message Number: 80531
Dave You don't say what the outside temperature was , at your high temperature readings. If it was a hot sunny day , say higher than 90F then the black road would easily be in the 120 range, therefore 30 Degree spread would not be out of line. I have mine set at alarm of 140,but don't usually travel at high outside temperature times. I have seen 135 to 140 at 85/90 degrees outside. If the temperature was lower , then you may be having tire issues, causing them to get hot --under inflation, overloaded Etc. You really should use the Silverleaf for it's information value. For instance, on sunny day 75/80, I have seen tire temperatures on the sunny side , to be 10 to 15 degrees warmer , than the shade side. If you monitor the pressures and temperatures under a variety of conditions, you would have a better feel for when you are having a problem. It's kind of like when I had a boat with radar. On a clear day you had to understand what the screen showed you , size of the radar blip etc, so that when it was foggy , you had a good idea of what the blip meant. A small sailboat with a radar reflector, showed much larger and moving slower , than a low go-fast boat etc. Not trying to lecture, but you should use the tools available to you.

Ron Baran 09 Magna7025

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Yahoo Message Number: 80533
Dave - I've seen our tires get into the high 130s and 140+. Per other postings here, you can program your Silver Leaf's high and low warning levels to something else. The monitoring tool is just a guideline and I think it's best used to detect sudden changes. You need to make some mental notes on what "normal" means for your driving conditions and make sure things stay close to "normal" throughout your trip. The device can thus alert you to changes that warrant investigation. As mentioned, really hot days on really hot pavement will increase your tire temperatures. As the air inside your tires heats up its pressure will also increase assuming a constant volume (a reasonable assumption for tires).
One other point to consider. If you are using SmarTire sensors, they strap to the rim via a large SS band clamp. Braking can cause extreme heat to build up in the drums. That will be transferred to your rims at some point. Our double wheels have aluminum rims on the outside and steel ones on the inside. They conduct heat differently. Keep in mind that the embedded wheel sensor isn't in contact with the rubber but measures the air temperature within the tire. They aren't quite the same thing and temperatures can be skewed by radiating heat coming from the rim.
All these monitoring devices have their place but they also have idiosyncrasies that should be born in mind when taking data from them. I think tire pressure is the most accurate and useful piece of data about your tires. Make sure tire pressures are proper first and let the temps float to where they will. Regarding pressure, special care needs to be paid to double wheels. Tires mounted together (two rims one set of bolts) are forced to roll at the same speed. Slight differences in pressure imply different rolling circumferences. If these become excessive, one tire effectively skids which can lead to excessive heating, stresses, damage and possible failure. With sensors you'll have 4 different devices taking readings (across your double wheel axle). If you run 100 PSI nominal in your tires and the sensor is accurate to +/- 5% you could have a difference of 10 PSI in your tires even though the sensors all read 100 PSI. This is significant on double wheels. It's best to use one measuring device (like a manual tire gauge) which has the same error for all measurements. Measurements taken that way could have an absolute error but no relative error. I stop and do periodic walk around checks to include putting my hand on the tires and smelling the rubber. These basic old fashioned methods help too.

At 04:52 AM 6/26/2012, you wrote:

Re: Tire Heat

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Yahoo Message Number: 80534
My Silverleaf is set at the default of 180 degrees. Its my understanding that its not an issue until its above 180 on a warm day. On a warm day 155 is not a problem. When I researched this issue, I was informed approaching 200 degrees is the serious point and to stop the coach before a blowout occurs. As others have mentioned the Silverleaf can easily be changed to your preferred parameters.

Personally anything over 180 is where I would be alarmed.

Brian

09 Intrigue.

Re: Tire Heat

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Yahoo Message Number: 80546
Lee, Ron and Brian,

Thanks for the info..I will look through the book I have and see if I can understand how to change the monitor for a setting. It was in the high 90's on the highways in Utah, so now I can understand a little how they work. It must be set at around 154 degrees as it appear that this is the temperature it is set at, cause this is when it comes on.

I can inform my DW of a good degree and a bad degree.
Again thanks to all..Alaska or Bust

Dave

07 Country Coach Allure 430 #31495 12 Jeep GC Toad Mountains of So Cal
Dave & Jodi
2007 CC Allure 40’ Tag #31495
2012 Jeep GC
Big Bear Lake, Ca & Henderson, Nev
 

Re: Tire Heat

Reply #23 –
Yahoo Message Number: 80606
Ron makes an excellent point! If you don't know what "normal operating conditions" look like in the information being presented, then you can't tell when to be concerned. That's why this type of information is so much better than the "idiot light" approach ~ you can see the warning, but also understand the reading that tripped the warning and determine if there are logical reasons for it (high outside temperature, heavier than ususal braking, etc).

Mark

Magna Owner-to-be