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This group and my opinions

Yahoo Message Number: 15309
Personally, I feel the name of this group is appropriate and should be adhered to in allowing memberships and postings. I joined this forum when there were 600+ members. My purpose in joining was to communicate with members and share information as an owner. At the time I signed on I owned 2002 Allure #30792. I was made aware of this group by a member I met at Desert West Coach, Phoenix, AZ, while we were both in for service. Over the past couple of years I have enjoyed meeting some of the members personally and putting faces to the names.

I think it is presumptious for anyone, who is not a present Country Coach owner to post on this site or request help in making an RV purchase decision. This group is not intended, I don't think, for aiding RV shoppers. There are many other RV groups dedicated to consumer interests that would be of more beneficial to shoppers.

Personally, I am a "happy camper". The service and support I have received from Country Coach service and warranty departments has been excellent. The friendships and information sharing of other Country Coach owners in this group has been remarkable. I get on line a few times a week and scan the postings and read some of them that are pertinent to my interests.

I am proud to be the owner of a Country Coach and will continue participation in the group, however, I will not read or answer any posts from non Country Coach owners. After all, the purpose of this group is for present Country Coach owners to communicate and share information and experiences.

Macke A. Williams
2003 Magna #6277

Re: This group and my opinions

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15311
Macke,

One of the reasons I bought a Country Coach was the fact that the owners are open to sharing their experiences with the brand. Monaco owners are not and do not allow anyone to join their yahoo group who is not an owner. I think it would be selfish of us to not share our experiences with prospective owners.
It's ok that you don't want to read or post responses to prospective owners; there are several of us who feel no compunction against doing so.

Happy Trails.

Carol

'04 Inspire 51046

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Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15312
Carol,

I say "Amen" and "well said." "I second that emotion..." :-)
Anyone who does not want to contribute an answer to people coming on line looking for information and opinions about Country Coachs, is not required to reply.

The owners on this group make their own decisions about what they read and reply to, so I do not see the point in making an issue out of someone requesting information.

I remember when I was looking at different motorhomes. I would have relished having this resource. I was fortunate I chose a Country Coach without it.

What I object to is hustlers, salesmen and other ne'er do wells coming on this website trying to pollute it with inappropriate comments or deceptive statements. THEY don't belong here. Unless we can identify the owners from the others, the only thing we can do is close this site to anyone but those who can produce proof of ownership. I don't see that happening.

That experience we dealt with in the last few days with the bogus postings by former techs, was an example of the things we need to be watchful for and concerned about- especially since it is open to outside persons who would be misinformed.
So as a simple courtesy I only ask that visitors identify themselves and their motivation. Owners who want to respond, do so and those like Macke who prefer not to- feel free to ignore those posts. But please don't imply to the rest of us what we should or should not be doing on our website.

Who better to seek out in order to gather information on Country Coaches, than from actual owners???

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Macke,

One of the reasons I bought a Country Coach was the fact that the > owners are open to sharing their experiences with the brand. Monaco > owners are not and do not allow anyone to join their yahoo group who > is not an owner. I think it would be selfish of us to not share our > experiences with prospective owners.
> It's ok that you don't want to read or post responses to prospective > owners; there are several of us who feel no compunction against doing > so.

Happy Trails.

Carol

'04 Inspire 5

1046

This group and my opinions - Revised

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15315
I'm with Macke on this one! I've been here two plus years and on my second CC and joined for the sharing of information with OWNERS.
Some of the Yahoo sites, Foretravel (ya I know they're in trouble) for an example, require you to identify yourself and explain why you want to be a memeber before you are allowed to join. Not a big deal if your seriously looking for information to buy a CC. Other sites allow you to read, but not post unless your a member. I think that's the best idea of all.

So here's my recommendation and maybe Herb could jump in here:
1. Read only for non-members
2. Require identity and reason for wanting to join
3. Have members politely ask for sign-on if omitted from post

Besides, there are about 30 or 40 active members and 900+ lurkers! Maybe we can get the lurkers typing...

See ya in Moultrie.
Tom

04 Allure 30979 (See how easy this sign-on is)

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Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15316
Macke-

I am just trying to gain information about CC.
I think ALL people should be allowed to join and gain knowledge of the CC, if that is what they want or desire.
I do not think there should be division in the list, (ie you only answer people that have a CC) That certainly is your decision.

I think you will miss meeting new people,. like myself.
Quite upsetting to feel that you are not wanted on a list because you have not yet purchased one.

-:¦:- Karen Oliver:¦:-

www.oliversrosepugs.com Commerce, Michigan
USA
-:¦:-

Re: This group and my opinions - Revised

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15319
There is so much divisiveness and so many exclusionary policies in this country it seems a shame to carry this behavior into something as simple as a motorhome group.

Tony Ferrara

'04 Inspire 51172

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Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15320
We were considering a CC about two years ago, vs a Dutch Star. I asked if it was OK to join this group and hang out, since I did not own a CC. I was invited to join, did, and asked a few questions.

We ended up buying the Dutch Star, but the feeling of welcome and assurance offered by the nice folks here kept the CC fire burning.

We traded the Dutch Star for our new Affintity in November.

It is nice to see the welcome mat is still out for potential CC owners. Sorry to hear the Monaco forum is closed to non owners, but that is their mistake IMHO, one more thing we have over those guys (heh, heh).

John and Terry
Affinity #6453
Honda Pilot

Soon, brand new Cairn Terrier puppy (could not stand the pressure any more)

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Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15326
I think its great we allow future owners or prospective owners to join the club. It spreads the word about what a great coach we own which keeps the factory in business and what great people we are! Restricting member ship sounds a littrle narrow minded to me. TWI Intrigue 2004 11731. If the continental congress felt that way we would still be fighting the British!

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Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15327
This prooves my point, so get out there and spread the word. TWI 11731 2004 Intrigue.

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Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15329
Macke,

You are entitled to your opinion, and you are free to not respond to anyone. However, I think it is narrowminded to exclude folks who are seriously interested in buying a CC in this group. Asking owners about particular models and problems encountered could not only help sell a person on these great coaches, but also be of value to other owners.

Per

Affinity 5259

--- my55tbird2 my55tbird2@...> wrote:

Personally, I feel the name of this group is appropriate and should

be adhered to in allowing memberships and postings. I joined this

forum when there were 600+ members. My purpose in joining was to

communicate with members and share information as an owner. At the

time I signed on I owned 2002 Allure #30792. I was made aware of

this group by a member I met at Desert West Coach, Phoenix, AZ, while

we were both in for service. Over the past couple of years I have

enjoyed meeting some of the members personally and putting faces to
the names.

I think it is presumptious for anyone, who is not a present Country

Coach owner to post on this site or request help in making an RV

purchase decision. This group is not intended, I don't think, for

aiding RV shoppers. There are many other RV groups dedicated to

consumer interests that would be of more beneficial to shoppers.

Personally, I am a "happy camper". The service and support I have

received from Country Coach service and warranty departments has been

excellent. The friendships and information sharing of other Country

Coach owners in this group has been remarkable. I get on line a few

times a week and scan the postings and read some of them that are

pertinent to my interests.

I am proud to be the owner of a Country Coach and will continue

participation in the group, however, I will not read or answer any

posts from non Country Coach owners. After all, the purpose of this

group is for present Country Coach owners to communicate and share

information and experiences.

Macke A. Williams
2003 Magna #6277

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Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15332
IMHO - John's note below proves the point on keeping this forum open.
--

Regards
Jose'

'03 Allure Cascade 40' tag # 30863 '03 Silverado toad
http://www.your-rv-lifestyle.com
Jose Ferrer
06 Magna Rembrandt #6568
Towed 2017 Ford Fusion Hybrid
Cat C13  with Allison Transmission
Hydralift, Blue Ox Avail tow bar

Re: This group and my opinions - Revised

Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15336
And I, as noted in a previous post, am not with Macke on this. One of the reasons I am NOT a Monaco owner is the snobbery I encountered when attempting to post on their site. The response to my inquiry to the moderator of the board was just short of snotty and I figured I didn't need to be involved with that kind of person. Not enough time in the day to waste on them.

I agree that non-members should be allowed to only read posts and that a person requesting membership should do so, describing their reasoning...are they an owner or just looking.
But there is nothing wrong with lurking as a member and not posting.
It should not be necessary to post to learn from the information provided by the many erudite, knowledgable members so why force people to post when they don't want to do so?

Carol

04 Inspire 51046

See you in September (that's a song, isn't it?)

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I'm with Macke on this one! I've been here two plus years and on my > second CC and joined for the sharing of information with OWNERS.
Some of the Yahoo sites, Foretravel (ya I know they're in trouble) > for an example, require you to identify yourself and explain why

you

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want to be a memeber before you are allowed to join. Not a big deal > if your seriously looking for information to buy a CC. Other sites > allow you to read, but not post unless your a member. I think

that's

Re: This group and my opinions - Revised

Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15340
Carol;

I agree with your comment re: "lurkers". I review the messages daily when we have connectivity, but I rarely post. Mostly this is due to my limited experience/knowledge with the majority of CC's product line. Secondarily, I refrain from simplying adding another comment when others have already commented appropriately. Lastly, the few issues with our coach are still relatively uncommon to the group.

I take no issue with allowing non-owners to join and query the group, for many of the same reasons as posted by others.

I do, however, wish we had some way of identifying all posters and enforcing it...

Sawbuck

'05 Magna #6419

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Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15353
When we started shopping around for a diesel pusher and were interested in a Country Coach I found this site and was able to get a lot of information. This led us to puchase our coach and have told others, both owners and lookers about this site. Why would we want to keep other prospective CC owners form this vast wealth of information?

John and Merilee Flynn
99 Intrigue 10877

02 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15362
I have been watching this thread since the beginning with interest. I have been a member since April 2003, which is about when I started my search for a coach. After some preliminary research I had narrowed it down to a CC Intrigue or Monaco Signature Series.
I also attempted to join the Monaco group. I was, like Don mentioned earlier, also unable to join. There were several emails exchanged between myself and the moderator. As a group they didn't care where you got your information about Monaco coaches, but it was not going to be from the owners in their group. There attitude was the final decision maker as far as making Monaco a viable choice for me. I was amused by their aloofness and suspicious of why they would not welcome outsiders to at least read group posts.
The CC group was the exact opposite. I posted several questions as I narrowed my search and received intelligent, responsive answers. It made my decision much easier. I now own a CC and have been awed by the group as a whole and CCI for product support in particular.
My wife and I have had a rather interesting entry to the CC family as the Hollicks and several others in the SWCC's group can attest to. We "attended" our first rally without our coach due to an "act of God".
As our coach was repaired CCI has been unbelievable in their support.
I have received unsolicited phone calls from CC personnel wanting to make sure we are getting the level of support CC is known for. That answer is a big YES.

I may not be the best comparative judge of coaches as I have had only one. However it sure looks to me like I made the right choice. As Don said earlier "So, guess what I drive? ".

In a long winded way I guess what I was trying to say is I would be disappointed if as a group we put up barriers to "outsiders". I was once one.

Now it shouldn't matter to me as I am an owner and "qualify" but it does. I might not be an owner if it was not for the open friendly nature of this group awhile back. I can accept and understand if some members don't wish to respond to non owners questions. I support the idea of owners noting their coach information and "others" identifying themselves but lets not close off our group.

Just my opinion.

Michael

'01 Intrigue # 11224

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Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15386
I could care less if someone owns a Country Coach or not or a person is just researching. We all learn from the discussions that take place on this open board. I know I looked for two years before I purchased a Country Coach and it was this open and friendly group that helped me make the decision. Yes I was a "lurker" for awhile.
Then I hope I have posted some helpful hints and ideas from my own experiences owning one of the best coaches made.

We have many systems that are common between many different brands of coaches. So, if someone with a brand X coach has a question and I can give that owner my opinionated answer, then that is what I will do. The only thing I request is that we all identify our coaches adequately so that we can all respond accordingly. If I suspect someone is trying to use the group for their own personal gain or other misdeeds, then the best thing is to ignore them and not even post a response. Besides most people who take the time to do such things only are interested in the attention the negative discussion brings them.

So all this talk about restricting the access to this board or having to be registered will take away some of the openness of this forum. I say leave it alone.

Enough said.......

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: matsprt1984
I have been watching this thread since the beginning with

interest. I

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have been a member since April 2003, which is about when I started

my

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search for a coach. After some preliminary research I had narrowed

it

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down to a CC Intrigue or Monaco Signature Series.

I also attempted to join the Monaco group. I was, like Don

mentioned

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earlier, also unable to join. There were several emails exchanged > between myself and the moderator. As a group they didn't care where > you got your information about Monaco coaches, but it was not

going to

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be from the owners in their group. There attitude was the final > decision maker as far as making Monaco a viable choice for me. I

was

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amused by their aloofness and suspicious of why they would not

welcome

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outsiders to at least read group posts.
The CC group was the exact opposite. I posted several questions as

I

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narrowed my search and received intelligent, responsive answers. It > made my decision much easier. I now own a CC and have been awed by > the group as a whole and CCI for product support in particular.

My wife and I have had a rather interesting entry to the CC family

as

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the Hollicks and several others in the SWCC's group can attest to.

We

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"attended" our first rally without our coach due to an "act of

God".

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As our coach was repaired CCI has been unbelievable in their

support.

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I have received unsolicited phone calls from CC personnel wanting

to

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make sure we are getting the level of support CC is known for. That > answer is a big YES.

I may not be the best comparative judge of coaches as I have had

only

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one. However it sure looks to me like I made the right choice. As

Don

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said earlier "So, guess what I drive? ".
> In a long winded way I guess what I was trying to say is I would be > disappointed if as a group we put up barriers to "outsiders". I

was

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once one.
> Now it shouldn't matter to me as I am an owner and "qualify" but it > does. I might not be an owner if it was not for the open friendly > nature of this group awhile back. I can accept and understand if

some

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members don't wish to respond to non owners questions. I support

the

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idea of owners noting their coach information and "others"

identifying

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Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15390
I'm one of the lurkers who don't own a Country Coach yet. We do have Country Coach lust. I've been on this board for a few years and enjoy the information I've been privy to. We bought a Georgie Boy Cruise Master 3600 DS new in 2002, but have always called it our "interim coach".

I hope that this forum remains inclusive rather than exclusive.

Have enjoyed my time here,
RB

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Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15407
Folks:

Sorry, I've been away from my email a couple of days but I would like to share some experiences and recommendations regarding our Yahoo group and some email experiences in general.

I have been using the "Internet" since 1976, long before it was the Internet. The tools available in the early days were much more primitive than now but we still attempted to do the same things, share data, do research and communicate by email. In those nearly 30 years of network use, I have discovered that the two most important keys on my keyboard are marked "delete" and "page down" (I get our emails via the digest).
When some email shows up that I am not interested in, I use the "delete" key to save myself (and you others) the time to read unnecessary email or unnecessary replies. When someone writes an email to this list that is of no interest to me, I use the "Page Down" key to again save myself the time of reading unnecessary email.
This group is a tremendous resource for all of us, and who better to help than those contemplating the acquisition of one of our magnificent machines. It is terribly unfortunate that we have to put up with so many people who abuse the technology and pollute our group, but let's be generous to those folks genuinely looking for our help while doing their "do diligence" to determine if a CC is the right coach for them. I remember that there were several very kind people who helped us even though we were in an SOB, ironically I am still driving my second CC and one set of friends in particular are in an SOB after 3 Affinities (their life circumstances changes and their lovely CC was not an appropriate vehicle for them anymore). They are still my very dear friends and I cherish the opportunities to see them. I sincerely hope that I can help some of these folks looking for a CC and that they will show up as a neighbor somewhere in my life.

Regards,

Neil Tucker

'03 Intrigue 11677

PS. Kudos to Magnamomma for a great sleuth job, don't you just love her!
 

Re: This group and my opinions - Revised

Reply #19 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15446
Amen Tony. It's the old "My ride is better than your ride" syndrome. "My box seat costs more than yours", "I bought land in the countryside but don't you try to move out here". The snobbish exclusion of others by those who suddenly feel more elite.

--- Tony Ferrara tferrara@...> wrote:

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There is so much divisiveness and so many > exclusionary policies in this country it seems a > shame to carry this behavior into something as > simple as a motorhome group.
Tony Ferrara

'04 Inspire 51172