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Roof Coating

Yahoo Message Number: 15986
Hi Folks,

This subject is recurring along with batteries, tires, backup camera, headlights to name a few.

The temporary roof coating of choiceappears to be 303.
The permanent coating with superior reflectivity is Astec ceramic insulating coating, call 800 223 8494 for a spec sheet or just google it. The Krylon coating applied two years ago has come off with the February months worth of rain in California. Will be applying this coating in May with a roller and brush. Remember that TI02 must be in the coating to protect the fiberglass from UV as I have covered in previous posts on this subject.
Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

Re: Was Roof Coating....now headlights

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15995
Hey Fred,

What ever happened to trying different wattage bulbs you were discussing a couple of months ago? Did you ever test and determine if the plastic lense assembly and wiring would handle the additional wattage bulbs? I managed to use some plastic polish and buff out the exterior of the lenses. There is a little improvement, but no where near what I would like to have. I was also looking at some of the other 9000 series bulbs on the shelf at the local Wally World today. A few of them have the same connector but the lamp is supposedly 20% more brighter at the same wattage rating as the original 9004's. There were also a couple with a few more watts of power. I think it was the 9007XV was 65/55 watts on hi/lo beam.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Folks,

This subject is recurring along with batteries, tires, backup

camera,

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headlights to name a few.

The temporary roof coating of choiceappears to be 303.

The permanent coating with superior reflectivity is Astec ceramic
insulating coating, call 800 223 8494 for a spec sheet or just

google

Quote
it. The Krylon coating applied two years ago has come off with

the

Quote
February months worth of rain in California. Will be applying this > coating in May with a roller and brush. Remember that TI02 must be

in

Re: Was Roof Coating....now headlights

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15997
Hi Jim,

I assume you would agree with using the Astec ceramic coating when the time comes.

I have not been happy with the fog then water droplets on the inside lens front. After removing the bulb assembly and heating the lens front to drive out the moisture and replacing the bulb assy with the o-ring greased, a little improvement. Looking at the Saturn LS toad, the bulbs are the same type and wattage. The problem is the lens assy.
I am trying to find a 6X10 replacement but no luck so far. I would just like to fit the Saturn LS lens assy but have lacked the enthusiam so far. I would like to know what engineer specified those Taiwan made lens assemblies.
Fred kovol

Re: Was Roof Coating....now headlights

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16008
"fredkovol"

Have you tried the Ford replacement lenses? If so are they any better?

Steve

Intrigue #10673

Re: Was Roof Coating....now headlights

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16010
Hi Steve,

There is a couple of Ford Suvs in the neighborhood - when I can them for a night drive and measurements, I will let you know.
Fred Kovol

Quote from: rheavn
"fredkovol"

Have you tried the Ford replacement lenses? If so are they any

better?

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Steve

Intrigue #10673

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> Hi Jim,

> I assume you would agree with using the Astec ceramic coating when

the

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time comes.

> I have not been happy with the fog then water droplets on the

inside

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lens front. After removing the bulb assembly and heating the lens > > front to drive out the moisture and replacing the bulb assy with

the

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o-ring greased, a little improvement. Looking at the Saturn LS

toad,

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the bulbs are the same type and wattage. The problem is the lens

assy.

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I am trying to find a 6X10 replacement but no luck so far. I would > > just like to fit the Saturn LS lens assy but have lacked the

enthusiam

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so far. I would like to know what engineer specified those Taiwan

made

Re: Was Roof Coating....now headlights

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16013
"fredkovol"

What I meant was the original headlight assemblies were from a Ford Bronco. I was wondering if you had compared the American product with the Taiwan knockoffs? When I had a headlight surface dull I replaced it with the Ford produced assembly & have been pleased. It hasn't dulled or collected moisture in three years. Or am I missing the point that you are looking for a replacement that will give you the "new look" halogen headlights?

Thanks
Steve

Intrigue #10673

Re: Was Roof Coating....now headlights

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16017
Hi Steve,

I understand what you are saying - I will look into the Ford Bronco.
Thanks,
Fred Kovol

Quote from: rheavn
"fredkovol"

What I meant was the original headlight assemblies were from a

Ford

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Bronco. I was wondering if you had compared the American product

with

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the Taiwan knockoffs? When I had a headlight surface dull I

replaced

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it with the Ford produced assembly & have been pleased. It hasn't > dulled or collected moisture in three years. Or am I missing the > point that you are looking for a replacement that will give you the > "new look" halogen headlights?

Thanks
Steve

Intrigue #10673

> Hi Steve,

> There is a couple of Ford Suvs in the neighborhood - when I can

them

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for a night drive and measurements, I will let you know.
> Fred Kovol

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> >

> > "fredkovol"

> > Have you tried the Ford replacement lenses? If so are they

any

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better?
> >

> > Steve

> > Intrigue #10673
> >
> >
> > >

> > > Hi Jim,

> > > I assume you would agree with using the Astec ceramic coating

when

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the
> > > time comes.

> > > I have not been happy with the fog then water droplets on the > > inside

> > > lens front. After removing the bulb assembly and heating the

lens

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> > front to drive out the moisture and replacing the bulb assy

with

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the

> > > o-ring greased, a little improvement. Looking at the Saturn LS > > toad,

> > > the bulbs are the same type and wattage. The problem is the

lens

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assy.

> > > I am trying to find a 6X10 replacement but no luck so far. I

would

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> > just like to fit the Saturn LS lens assy but have lacked the > > enthusiam

> > > so far. I would like to know what engineer specified those

Taiwan

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16100
After 20 yrs in roof coating business and using Astec system, I would not recommned it for MH roofs.

I would try finding roof coating made by Truco, Inc. from Cleveland, OH.
Much better elasticity and elongation. Self leveling qualities that will give you much better finish.

Adhesion qualities are some of the best I saw with these type of products.
Horace

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Re: Roof Coating

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16106
Horace

What kind of coach do you use this stuff on? Do or did you work for them? How can I find out more about this product?

Mike and Marg Keogh
98 Intrigue 36 #10538
00 CRV

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16115
Hi Horace,

Does the product have a name you are recommending and is it a local product only?
Fred Kovol

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16120
Here's there web site: www.truco-inc.com Not sure where you might find it, but I'm sure they can help you find a place.

It can even be tinted, but costs are additional.
It is the only coating I've seen that I would use on my own coach.
3 problems with coating-
Adhesion
Elongation

Tensile stength

With all the movement in a coach roof, you want all three.
The other important quality, is the self leveling. I never found a acrylic product that had those qualities like Truco. Will make for a much better looking job.
Horace

Quote from: fredkovol

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16121
I was a roofing contractor that specialized in roof coating. I coated over several million squre feet of roofs of all types.
Here is there web site- www.truco-inc.com I used it on travel trailer I owned several years ago.
I have a 2006 36' Quad slide Inspire on order. Came off the line Friday and I'm waiting on delivery to dealer in Tucson. One it gets there, they have to remove the shower and install shower/tub combination.
Horace

06 Inspire on order #51577

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 80501
Have been reading a lot on the Site about different roof coatings. Streaks down the side of the Coach just bugged me so went a different direction. Our Coach being out in the Florida Sun and humidity took a beating on the roof Gelcoat. Tried compounding/waxing etc but would only last a few months before the streaks were back. It's been over a 1 1/2 years now and 18K+ miles later since I painted the roof with AwlGrip. Those with custom boats or planes know the product well. It's a tough epoxy paint that is easily "rolled" on. We use this paint in building custom boats and most of the time it is sprayed but when in a boat yard and not feasable to spray we roll the paint. Yesterday was the first time I washed the roof since December. Roof was nasty with pine pollen, dirt and mildew. With a bucket of soapy water (Gel-Gloss Wash from Camping World)and my soft wash brush washed the roof clean like the day it was painted. Is it slippery? I use only my Sperry Billfish shoes and don't slip at all. If you get on your hands and knees be careful as you will slip but not with the shoes. Crocs probably will work fine. How hard is it to apply? Not hard at all!
Process: Cleaned the roof real good with liquid Dawn to get wax etc off. Next day used a DA Sander (orbiter sander). Took about 3 hours to scuff the 40' Coach roof (do not sand all the Gel-Coat off, just scuff), Wash dust off, let dry. Next day wiped roof off with rag(s) dampened with mineral spirits. Mixed the two part AwlGrip paint and painted with 1" dia x 4" wide foam roller. Took about 4 hours to paint one coat. Was going to put a second coat on but didn't need too. Only used 1 1/2 quarts of paint to do the entire roof. No more streaks! My only question is why didn't CC paint the roof? Anyone with a fiberglss boat knows the sun just oxidizes the heck out of Gel-Coat. Apologize for the length but this is easy to do, the results are well rewarded. I held off posted this sooner as wanted to see how it held up on our Alaska trip.

Pete Sarno
Stuart, Fla
'02 Magna #6110

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 80560
Pete

Very interesting. Exactly which awl grip paint did you use? Did you consider using the primer? Sounds like a better solution than buscoat. Any other application hints?

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 80597
AwlGrip is the product line and is a Marine two part paint which is also used on aircraft. I used Oyster White #H8139. You will need to also buy the Catalyst which comes as Spray or Brush Catalyst. Use the Brush Catalyst. Use a 4" dense foam roller. The foam roller and roller pan you can get at Home depot. I did cut in around the caulk on the roof penetrations using a brush but surprisingly it has held up where I got it on the caulk! Painted out in the open but because we have Oak Trees all over used an accelerator so it would dry quicker. It will tack up in an hour or so. Our Coach has never seen a carport or garage in ten years so the roof gelcoat went bad at about five years. Pot life is crazy with this stuff. With the accelerator we got about 1/2 of the roof done before it started to kicked off. If you don't use accelerator we sometimes will take a surgical glove and stretch it over the mixed paint cup and stick it in the refrigerator! Wife doesn't like that but you can leave it there until the next day, let it come to ambient temperature and go paint. Like the post I did not use Non-Skid in the paint. I was originally going to as it is slippery. I have two pairs of Topsider Deck shoes and one pair is not as good as the other. Also I have a pair of sneakers that grip well. I did have one issue and that was when we taped the Coach Body paint some of the clear coat came off. Think we used the wrong tape, left it on in the sun too long, or the clear coat was originally painted on top of dust. Wasn't a big deal as it was on top of the Coach so could not be seen. No hard sanding just do a light scuff coat. We didn't use a primer as the Gel-Coat was real porous and with no wax, 301, or any other coatings on the roof it was fine to paint on. Note: if you sand too far down and take all the Gel-Coat off you will have to prime. In the boat industry we use a product called 545 and it can be applied the same way. Make sure all wax is off the roof. One other thing this paint goes on real thin and is self leveling. Follow the instructions on the can and you can't go wrong. Good luck and really is an easy project. I wish we had did this job five years ago!

Pete Sarno
Stuart, Fla
'02 Magna #6110

Re: Roof Coating

Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 80600
Pete. Thanks. This was very helpful. Guess this is my next project.

Mike

Roof

Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16024
Jim Hughes
Heater fan motor resistor is located on the left side of heater core box under the front of coach. I used marine epoxy on my roof labor intensive, but has been on for more than two years and still don't get the oxidation run off.
Good luck,
John
2000 allure #30510

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Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16041
Thanks John. That is one place I have not looked in. Did you have the same fan speed problem? If so what did you do to correct the problem?

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure 30511

Quote from: John Haughom

Jim Hughes

Heater fan motor resistor is located on the left side of heater
core box under the front of coach. I used marine epoxy on my roof
labor intensive, but has been on for more than two years and still
don't get the oxidation run off.

Re: Roof

Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16046
Jim
I do have that problem, also a leak in the heater core. I am in the process of removing the box at this time. Will let you know the out come.
John
2000 allure #30510

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Reply #19 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16049
John: I've battled a heater core problem this Winter also. Removing the core isn't a fun job. Remember to hook up the heater hoses before putting the box up in place. I made that mistake. Also, be careful that the sheet metal screws don't rub against the core and cause you to have to redo the whole job like someone I know.

Larry
Intrigue
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Reply #20 –
Yahoo Message Number: 16063
Larry,
Thanks for the info, that may be the problem as I have had a small leak since coach was new. Every time warranty work was done they advise the hose clamps were loose. I now have surveyed the area and doesn't look like an easy job.
John
2000 allure #30510