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Over heating and Misc.

Yahoo Message Number: 25970
A year and half or more ago I posted pictures of the CC Test Coach that was being modified in Arizona to try and solve the over heating problems that CC and everyone knew was coming with the Federal Mandates. Those that are having problems, may find some of the changes of interest. The most effective appears to be venting out the rear. In my case, I built support arms that hold up the engine door.
To make it safe, a screen was built over the opening that moves out of the way when the door is closed. To check oil, aircraft type quick release pins are used, it takes less than a minute to pull the screen and support arms.

The next best to reduce the heating in traffic was the long flap located below the radiator to stop hot air from re-circulating. This is an after market item and is used by other manufactures.
The last thing done was installing louvers covering the radiator area.
The above were what the technicians stated were the three things done that made the most difference. A 20 degree drop in temperature was noted immediately when the rear door was opened. The flap helps in heavy traffic. The louvers are only affective at higher speeds.
We have gone nowhere during the past year and a half as we have built the most unusual home on the Oregon Coast. It is located in Yachats, over the hills from Eugene and Junction City. It has 4 levels, the lowest has the coach with 13 foot high garage. Some in the past have expressed interest in the building. Monolithicdome.com is the web site. If any of you are interested, drop by and see us. We are having an open house next Saturday afternoon as part of a national charity tour. The structure is best described as a nuclear reactor containment building with windows. We have a great view of the ocean.
John

2002 Allure
#30702

Re: Over heating and Misc.

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 25991
John:

Was interested in your post on overheating. Our coaches are only 58 apart. Assume you had the problem.
I thought from the get go that mine was normally running at the upper end of the Cummins spec. and over temp when pulling a grade. When I complained, I got the "What does Silverleaf say, the dash gauge isn't reliable." Don't have silverleaf, but like Doris, I had Cummins check the gauge and they said if anything it was LOWER than the ECM. But ECM has never registered an overheat fault. But as the coach has aged, problem is getting worse and dash temp gauge seems to be running hotter and hotter. So have you posted or can you post pictures of your modifications to keep the engine door open since that seems like a simple and effective solution? Am also going to hunt for the pics of the CC test Coach.

Thanks

Bob Amory

2002 Allure 30760

--- countryjrc countryjrc@...> wrote:

Quote
A year and half or more ago I posted pictures of the
CC Test Coach

that was being modified in Arizona to try and solve
the over heating

problems that CC and everyone knew was coming with
the Federal

Mandates. Those that are having problems, may find
some of the

changes of interest. The most effective appears to
be venting out the

rear. In my case, I built support arms that hold up
the engine door.

To make it safe, a screen was built over the
opening that moves out

of the way when the door is closed. To check oil,
aircraft type quick

release pins are used, it takes less than a minute
to pull the screen
and support arms.

The next best to reduce the heating in traffic was
the long flap

located below the radiator to stop hot air from
re-circulating. This

is an after market item and is used by other
manufactures.

The last thing done was installing louvers covering
the radiator area.

The above were what the technicians stated were the
three things done

that made the most difference. A 20 degree drop in
temperature was

noted immediately when the rear door was opened.
The flap helps in

heavy traffic. The louvers are only affective at
higher speeds.

We have gone nowhere during the past year and a half
as we have built

the most unusual home on the Oregon Coast. It is
located in Yachats,

over the hills from Eugene and Junction City. It
has 4 levels, the

lowest has the coach with 13 foot high garage. Some
in the past have

expressed interest in the building.
Monolithicdome.com is the web

site. If any of you are interested, drop by and see
us. We are

having an open house next Saturday afternoon as part
of a national

charity tour. The structure is best described as a
nuclear reactor

containment building with windows. We have a great
view of the ocean.
John

2002 Allure
#30702

Re: Over heating and Misc.

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 25993
Bob don't forget to look at the oil. I have a 2006 Allure and the temp. has gone into 230 area for the transmission. I get no lights, and when I check the oil it is clear, and without any burned smell. If you are really concerned take you oil both motor and transmission to a lab. The lab will tell you if it has been over heated. Once you have libratory data then get excited. I also believe if you cook the engine or transmission and can show you were not negligent, that CAT., Cummings and Allison will stand for their product. I have a 2003 and it overheated because the dealer left out 4 gallons of antifreeze and eight quarts of oil as well as four gallons of transmission oil. Once everything was properly filled the coach runs great and is always within temp. In my new coach I previously mention it ran hot. In checking I was down 2 gallons of antifreeze oil OK, and I can't read transmission with stick, I need to read it through the shifter, after the Transmission has gone up to at least 150 deg, when done it was normal..
Negligent does not mean you have to be an engineer, in my opinion, what it does mean is stop if you see smoke, fire, or get an engine light, past that enjoy, have a good time and invite me over for a beer.

Re: Over heating and Misc.

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 26015
Jim:

Interestingly my tranny temp has always behaved itself, contrary to all the posts here. Its the coolant temp that I've been concerned about. Doris's experience with that gadawful Intrigue, plus higher temps on our last trip has got me thinking about it again. Oil has never been a problem with this coach - in five years use have only had to add engine oil once and never had to add any to tranny. Was loosing coolant until I put a recovery bottle on the overflow tube. That seems to have stopped coolant loss.

Is sure do agree with the thought that you shouldn't have to be an engineer; just trying to strike a balance between being a worry wort and totally ignoring all indications! Anyway, we do try to keep a couple of cold ones in the refrig, so anytime!

Bob

2002 Allure 30760

--- James Spivey wrote:

Quote
Bob don't forget to look at the oil. I have a 2006 > Allure and the temp. has

gone into 230 area for the transmission. I get no > lights, and when I check

the oil it is clear, and without any burned smell.
If you are really

concerned take you oil both motor and transmission > to a lab. The lab will

tell you if it has been over heated. Once you have > libratory data then get

excited. I also believe if you cook the engine or > transmission and can show

you were not negligent, that CAT., Cummings and > Allison will stand for

their product. I have a 2003 and it overheated > because the dealer left out

4 gallons of antifreeze and eight quarts of oil as > well as four gallons of

transmission oil. Once everything was properly > filled the coach runs great

and is always within temp. In my new coach I > previously mention it ran hot.

In checking I was down 2 gallons of antifreeze oil > OK, and I can't read

transmission with stick, I need to read it through > the shifter, after the

Transmission has gone up to at least 150 deg, when > done it was normal..

Negligent does not mean you have to be an engineer, > in my opinion, what it

does mean is stop if you see smoke, fire, or get an > engine light, past that

enjoy, have a good time and invite me over for a > beer.

_____

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Amory

Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:59 PM > To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Over heating and > Misc.

John:

Was interested in your post on overheating. Our > coaches are only 58 apart. Assume you had the > problem.

I thought from the get go that mine was normally > running at the upper end of the Cummins spec. and > over

temp when pulling a grade. When I complained, I got > the "What does Silverleaf say, the dash gauge isn't > reliable." Don't have silverleaf, but like Doris, I > had Cummins check the gauge and they said if > anything

it was LOWER than the ECM. But ECM has never > registered an overheat fault. But as the coach has > aged, problem is getting worse and dash temp gauge > seems to be running hotter and hotter. So have you > posted or can you post pictures of your > modifications

to keep the engine door open since that seems like a > simple and effective solution? Am also going to hunt > for the pics of the CC test Coach.

Thanks

Bob Amory

2002 Allure 30760

--- countryjrc > com>
wrote:

> A year and half or more ago I posted pictures of > the

> CC Test Coach

> that was being modified in Arizona to try and > solve

> the over heating

> problems that CC and everyone knew was coming with > > the Federal

> Mandates. Those that are having problems, may find > > some of the

> changes of interest. The most effective appears to > > be venting out the

> rear. In my case, I built support arms that hold > up

> the engine door.

> To make it safe, a screen was built over the > > opening that moves out

> of the way when the door is closed. To check oil, > > aircraft type quick

> release pins are used, it takes less than a minute > > to pull the screen
> and support arms.
>

> The next best to reduce the heating in traffic was > > the long flap

> located below the radiator to stop hot air from > > re-circulating. This

> is an after market item and is used by other > > manufactures.
>

> The last thing done was installing louvers > covering

> the radiator area.
>

> The above were what the technicians stated were > the

> three things done

> that made the most difference. A 20 degree drop in > > temperature was

> noted immediately when the rear door was opened.
> The flap helps in

> heavy traffic. The louvers are only affective at > > higher speeds.
>

> We have gone nowhere during the past year and a > half

> as we have built

> the most unusual home on the Oregon Coast. It is > > located in Yachats,

> over the hills from Eugene and Junction City. It > > has 4 levels, the

> lowest has the coach with 13 foot high garage.
Some

> in the past have

> expressed interest in the building.
> Monolithicdome.com is the web

> site. If any of you are interested, drop by and > see

> us. We are

> having an open house next Saturday afternoon as > part

> of a national

> charity tour. The structure is best described as a > > nuclear reactor

> containment building with windows. We have a great > > view of the ocean.
> John

> 2002 Allure
> #30702
>
>
>
>

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Re: Over heating and Misc.

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 26016
By the way I forgot to mention that most air compressor have the oil tested about every six months, so the fees for this are no very expensive it is just finding the lab. Funny all three of my coaches have used about quart per 1000 miles. No Trans oil has to be added if the service center does there job, and where the coolant is going is my next issue.

I'm always up for the beer, look forward to meeting you.

Re: Over heating and Misc.

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 26019
I bought silver leafs plug in module that allows anyone with a laptop to monitor the engine and tranny just like the dash unit. But with more readings shown with bigger readsouts. What I found is that the guages do lie, especially the tranny guage. Which is way over because where the sensor is located. The engine oil temp is low and un responsive, the pressure guage is pretty close. the tach is right on, but where the silver leaf gets confused is on fuel consumption and mph and thats because they assume certain perameters. Those, however, can be corrected in the menus.
TWI 11731 2004 Intrigue with ISL 400 PS How is it we never hear about problems with ISC engines in 05 Inspires. If they are doing ok heat wise that tells me that the CAT didn't fess up and give CC the correct info on their engines cooling requirements? If you 'll look around you'll find there are some other owners of SOB having the same problems. Now, is that CC problem, too? Think not.

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Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 26033
TWI - May be wrong but it is my understanding that Inspires come equipped only with Cat engines.
 

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Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 26061
The first year they came with ISC 350s, have a friend that has one, and though he had a few cosmetic problems, he has traveled full time and hasn't had any drive train issues. TWI 11731 2004 Intrigue