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Re: Full Body Paint

Reply #25 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27523
We did attend the Home Coming in June in Eugene, took the factory tour.
Discussed this with Larry Sherwood, Doug Rutherford and personnel in the CC Paint Department all in a very friendly, open manner. Doug mentioned the Policy Review Panel and we submitted our concerns. The reply was short and not helpful stating "...inspection of the paint shows it to be within our performance expectations...". They had already admitted there was no paint so don't know what paint was inspected. We did take the coach to 6th St where it was looked at by all the above. It was signed Country Coach Policy Review Panel. Have no idea who is on the Panel. Felt like we got the bum's rush.

Gary, 2002 Allure, 30747

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Have you ever been to the factory with the coach for Home Comming  repairs, a factory tour, maybe an FMCA Int'l rally? It would help if you have a personnal speaking relashionship with a member of upper management. Then you could ask with a please and thank you about your situation. They have a review board that looks at issues out of warranty and if you have somehome who can present your issue in a positive and not demanding light, you might be suprised at the results. Larry Sherwood and Doug Rutherford among others have gone the extra mile for me, and for that reason alone I feel CC is the Best. TOM/CAROL 2004 iNTRIGUE 11731e

Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #26 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27527
Just a reminder. In the fall of 2004, we had a session on paint that covered this topic.
In my opinion: CC does a excellent job on the sides of the coaches, but has failed on the roofs.
1. UV degradation, gelcoat is exposed to a high level of UV with just a clearcoat. Clearcoat only prevents about 5% of the Uv from reaching the gelcoat. Over time, the UV breaks down the polyester gelcoat, (chalks) Just like wiping your hand over old house paint. You get a chalky, dust from the surface. This is extremely moisture sensitive. Over time the bond between the clearcoat and the gelcoat is lost, thus the onset of peeling. The peeling is cause by a.) loss of adhesion, b.) stress caused by expansion and contraction due to temperature.
Like Dean, I have a 95 Magna. It has a cream color top. I ended up a single edge razor blade and easily removed all the clearcoat from the top. With lots of good surface prep and a two component acrylic urethane cream topcoat, I restored it back to better than original condition, which will never peel again.
Sooo, the problem has been going on for sometime. If CC is now doing full roof painting, great, if their still using a clearcoat, dumb, really dumb. As for those with coaches less than 5 years old, I think you need to get into a serious discussion with CC about roof peeling and lawsuits. Just my opinion.

I've added a before and after picture of my beasts roof.

Steve B.

95 Magna 5220

Senior Chemist, SSPC Protective Coatings Specialist

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #27 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27546
Steve,

Our 05 Magna, our 01 Magna, and our 2000 intrigue were all just unpainted fiberglass on which I applied a coating of 303 every 3 months. Never had a problem with chaulking or the clear coat coming off. I believe the owners manual says the roof needs to be treated with a UV product on a regular basis. I don't know of another brand that paints their roof but maybe some one can answer that question. I don't know what kind of law suit you could have because CC never tells anyone the roof is painted and it is common knowledge that you need to treat the roof regularly. It is discussed on this site every 3 months.

Bill g. 2005 Magna #6425

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #28 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27552
Hey Bill;

Your doing the right thing by protecting the surface. The 303 seals the clearcoat and contains UV absorbers. This greatly diminishes the effects of UV and atmospheric contaminates.
My view on roofs: If your going to spend "X" amount of dollars on a coach, then why don't they do the job right. Clear coats do protect the surface and give you a glossy appearance, but they do very little to prevent the effects of UV radiation on the surface. A pigmented coatings does prevent the penetration of UV radiation. An stops the chalking of the polyester gelcoat used in make the fiberglass. It takes a certain amount of energy (UV radiation) to break the chemical bonds in the polyester. Over time, as the number bonds are broken, the surface has a whiting/chalk look and feel. This is the polyester degradation caused by the UV radiation. This residue is very sensitive to moisture, also causes a loss of adhesion of the clear coat. With the loss of adhesion and internal stresses caused by temperature expansion and contraction, the clear coat starts to crack, thus leading to peeling.
Now, a pigmented coating prevents the pentration of UV radiation and stops the degradation of the polyester. Clear coat stops about 1 to 5 % of the Uv from getting to the substrate. A pigmented coating will stop over 99.9% of the Uv. General Motors has a test method for determining the UV transmittance of coatings. Between 290 nonometers and 360 nanometers the acceptable limit for UV transmittance is 0.1%, from 360 nanometers to 400 nanometers the limit is 0.5%. This covers the complete UV portion of the spectrum.
My question is why? The automotive, truck, metal roofing and marine industries use a pigmented coatings on roofs and NOT the RV industry.
Country Coach does a Superior job on the sides of the Rv, but a inferior job on the roofs.
As for a lawsuit, that a good question. I'm not the one to answer that question. I do know that back in the mid to late 80's, Ford had a real problem with peeling paint on their truck and car, end with a lot of repaints. Seems that their coatings had insufficient pigmentation and allowed to much UV thru to the primer. etc etc.

Steve

95 Magna 5220

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #29 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27553
Any discussion of lawsuits is silly. If you do not apply 303 Aerospace to your roof, you will get chalking and peeling. Pure and simple. And it is your own fault, not that of CC. Put it on your tires as well.

Al Colby

2000 Intrigue 10979 (with no chalking or peeling)

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #30 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27560
Hi:

Regarding the roof of a CC and chalking. I have been told to use 303 Aerospace. Clean/wash the roof let it dry. Them spray on the 303. Wipe it down and that is it. Sounds good and I am told it works and is easy to do. I plan to do this a couple of times a year. What do you CC owners think about this.

Bob

2007 Allure 470

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Reply #31 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27561
Is there a web site for this 303 product. Where is it sold ? I would like more information.
Thanks
AL

00 affinity #5851

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #33 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27567
Works great been doing it for about 4 years. Cleaning surface important, application is spray on, and I buff off, very lightly. Get good surface treatment, last about 3 to 4 months depending on weather and season, and smog. In summer I do it twice, takes about two hours for 36'

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #34 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27575
I have tried the 303, works great but needs repeated applications. I am experimenting with exterior grade clear urethane made by Minwax.
It contains UV inhibitors and is very easy to apply and goes on clear. So far it seems to be holding up. The real test will be over the winter months. Will keep members updated.

Jake

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #35 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27583
We've just started using 303, but be aware that it's both water soluble (rinses off fairly easily) and also greasy (leaves fingerprints where you touch and goos up your drying towel). That being said, it probably does do a good job while it's on, because it sure looks like it bounces the UV off pretty well - very sheeny. Lots of people swear by it.
But my current thoughts are to use a good wax on the painted surfaces (lots of choices), Honda Spray Polish and Cleaner on the textured surfaces (now banned in several states - stock up when you can!), and 303 on the tires.

Bill & Debbie in San Diego
 

Re: Paint, Paint and more Paint

Reply #36 –
Yahoo Message Number: 27587
Don't know how true this is but I've heard that the industry does not paint the roof because of several lawsuits from people who fell off the coach roof. One of their claims was that the roof was to slippery. I know in 2001 CCI was considering not installing anymore ladders because of roof suits. The roof on most coaches does not have clear coat either. The clear coat starts at the edge of the roof and that is where the problem is, when the chaulking hits the edge of the clear coat it makes it come up. There are a lot of experts on this site, maybe they can tell us why in a 1000 words or less without lawyers.
Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425, 3rd CC never had any paint peel with regular 303 use