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Full Body Paint

Yahoo Message Number: 8649
Can anyone tell me when CC went with the full body paint and graphics? Specifically the Intrigue, Magna and Affinity lines would be helpful.
John
Atlanta

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Yahoo Message Number: 8650
John,
 
I think the Intrigue/Allure went to full body paint with the 2001 models but there may be a catch.    CC has a habit of introducing changes during a model year.  Most of these changes are minor running changes but sometimes they really make a big switch.  Case in point is the IFS introduction on the Intrigue mid way between 2000 model year and more recently the introduction and demise of the First Avenue editions.
 
 t is possible the introduction of full body paint occurred as a running change rather then a model year change.  Maybe Damon can confirm for you.
 
David & Karen CA.
2000 Intrigue 11062
40 ft Single slide. PT
2002 Odyssey TOAD

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Yahoo Message Number: 8654
John,

David is usually accurate though characteristically verbose. Talk a look at the Country Coach web site to view many of the available paint options.

Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dunwoody, GA

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Yahoo Message Number: 8658
Damon e-mailed me and said that CC changed to full body paint in 2002. Thanks all your responses.

John - Atlanta

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Yahoo Message Number: 8683
Quote from: John Heslup
Damon e-mailed me and said that CC changed to full body paint in > 2002. Thanks all your responses.

John - Atlanta

I am confused... what exactly do you mean by "full body paint?"
What did they do differently before 2002 models?

Thanks

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Yahoo Message Number: 8692
Huh? I went throught the factory in 1998, I believe it was in September. All coaches were then being painted complete. I was particuarly inpressed with how they polished the clear coat to remove any runs.

My 99 Intrigue has full body paint.

Larry

Intrigue 10762

Full Body Paint

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Yahoo Message Number: 8695
I think they use the Term "Full Body Paint" to mean they are now painted with all of the "Zippy" Color schemes to compete with the fancy paint jobs of the compettion!! I know years ago I thought CC had some pretty dull color schemes, that did not match their other qualities. I prefer my non-so stand-out-ish color on my '01. I do not need to the the attraction of the campground. The quality is inside, that's all that counts for me....
Lee in Portland '01 Intrigue with the common paint scheme of many, many others in '99 thru '01 model years.....

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Yahoo Message Number: 8696
The very latest paint jobs has some "Zippy" paint that changes color depending where you stand. From one angle it looks green, then purple, etc.

I wonder if you plug it in at night to charge it up?

Chuck Penque

03 Intrigue 11673

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Yahoo Message Number: 8698
Damon wrote this:

My definition of full body paint is when the entire coach is painted a color, and this started in 2002 with Country Coach.

Prior to that this is what happened. CC has always painted there graphics. Nothing they built ever had "tape stripes". Prior to 2002, Country Coach would paint graphic colors (stripes) on the fiberglass gel coat, then clear the paint and gel coat with one exception--the Allure. The Allure model had painted graphics, and only the graphics were clear coated from inception and thru the 1998 model year. In 1999 the Allure was painted like the rest of the models being that the gel coat and graphics were clear coated.

Confused yet?

Basically prior to 2002 all there coachs were either a bone, white, or grey gel coat with painted stripes. In 2002 and till today all models are built with a black gel coat and the entire coach is painted.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8700
Wish I had known all this when I bought my 98 Allure, 30255, I still have Intrigue and Allure literature from back then and the fine print I missed was small then. Thats the main reason, besides handling (IFS) we bought a new Ovation. TWI 11731

Full Body Paint

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Yahoo Message Number: 27351
We recently discovered that our 2002 Allure Crown Point, bone colored coach, which we ordered new in 2001 and picked up at the factory was not "painted". It does have clear coat but indications are that the clear coat will deteriorate over time. Apparently all the 2002 Allures, in other colors, received full body paint AND clear coat.
Any opinions from the group concerning this issue? Imput would be greatly appreciated.

Gary,

2002 Allure, 30747

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Yahoo Message Number: 27354
Gary,

I think you will find that the bone color is in the gel coat. Just the accent colors are painted. The whole coach is then clear coated.

This is the way my '02 Intrigue in bone is done.

Don

'02 Intrigue #11427
'02 Intrigue #11427

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Yahoo Message Number: 27355
If the clear coating is applied directly to the gelcoat, then yes there will be an issue. To fix my 98 Allure with no clear coat CC want to prep the gelcoat surface, paint the exposed gelcoat the bone color as original and then clearcoat, cut buff etc. The estimate was $10,000 plus in 2003, that's when I buffed and polished the gelcoat with Mequires boat products and ordered a new coach, with full body paint. I had always been able to bring the front back to original, the sides 80% back, but the rear cap was very dissappointing. It was just the tip of the iceberg. I had seen and fallen for a 42' Intrigue Ovation with three slide and ended up with a 04 unit. TWI 11731 2004 Intrigue

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Yahoo Message Number: 27485
Thanks for the reply Don and TWI.

Looking back it appears I was not very clear in my initial question.
CC paint dept recently told me there was no bone colored paint on my coach, only Gelcoat with Clearcoat on top of that. The bay doors, being aluminium were painted. Now the upper fiberglass portion of the coach is starting to yellow. We have checked with several paint shops (and CC) and were told that this deterioration will continue and become even more unattractive.

The depressing part is that all the other 2002 Allures, other than bone colored, were given a full body paint in addition to Gelcoat and Clearcoat. Of course they all came with the same MSRP. Nowhere in any brochure, discussion with sales reps, at least four factory tours while coach was in production or during the PDI at CC in Junction City was any mention made that a very expensive paint job was not on our coach.

I am wondering if there are other 2002 Allure coaches out there with the same color and lack of paint and are starting to deteriorate and what they have done if anything, to correct it. Or, is anyone even aware they weren't painted?

We have always liked the color (can't say paint job anymore) of our coach and have received many compliments on it. Still love the coach, the ride, the handling, etc, etc, etc.
Bottom line, CC now states the diffence between clearcoat and full body paint was semantic.

I have done some research and that does not appear to be the case. It appears clearcoat does not react well with fiberglass and needs paint between gelcoat/fiberglass and the clearcoat. It appears there has been misrepresentation by Country Coach.
Sorry for the long post but I am hoping somebody in the group can point me to a source concerning this matter and I can do some intelligent follow up. I have gotten several good tips from this forum from my past lurking. We do intend to follow up with CC on this problem.

Thanks for any comments or further imput anyone may have.
Just a final thought. Why didn't CC paint the bone colored coaches in '02?
Gary

2002 Allure

Quote from: TWI
If the clear coating is applied directly to the gelcoat, then yes there will be an issue. To fix my 98 Allure with no clear coat CC want to prep the gelcoat surface, paint the exposed gelcoat the bone color as original and then clearcoat, cut buff etc. The estimate was $10,000 plus in 2003, that's when I buffed and polished the gelcoat with Mequires boat products and ordered a new coach, with full body paint. I had always been able to bring the front back to original, the sides 80% back, but the rear cap was very dissappointing. It was just the tip of the iceberg. I had seen and fallen for a 42' Intrigue Ovation with three slide and ended up with a 04 unit. TWI 11731 2004 Intrigue

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Yahoo Message Number: 27486
Hi Gary,

I have covered this subject in the past addressing the roof.
All fiberglass must have a coating over the fiberglass that blocks the sun's uv - this is achieved by use of titanium dioxide(TiO2) in the coating.

If sun light is getting to the fiberglass, it might be the fiberglass is rotting(decomposing, disintregating) and thus causing the discoloration. An independent evaluation should be conducted to be sure. Does the gelcoat have the TiO2? Fred Kovol

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Yahoo Message Number: 27489
Have you ever been to the factory with the coach for Home Comming , repairs, a factory tour, maybe an FMCA Int'l rally? It would help if you have a personnal speaking relashionship with a member of upper management. Then you could ask with a please and thank you about your situation. They have a review board that looks at issues out of warranty and if you have somehome who can present your issue in a positive and not demanding light, you might be suprised at the results. Larry Sherwood and Doug Rutherford among others have gone the extra mile for me, and for that reason alone I feel CC is the Best. TOM/CAROL 2004 iNTRIGUE 11731

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Yahoo Message Number: 27490
Russ,

Not sure what your link was supposed to show...Here is a quote from that site:

Titanium dioxide is the most widely used white pigment because of its brightness and very high refractive index (n=2.4), in which it is surpassed only by a few other materials. When deposited as a thin film, its refractive index and color make it an excellent reflective optical coating for dielectric mirrors.

So can one assume that Fred's statements are accurate ??

Michael

01' Intrigue #11224

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Yahoo Message Number: 27491
Michael,

You are right..I guess I was a bit unclear. What I was trying to say was that Titanium dioxide is actually the pigment in paint. We were in the exterior coating business for a 10 years. The higher the concentration of titanium dioxide the better the protection from UV for the covered material. I agree with Fred 100%.

I, for one, am surprised that the roofs of our motorhomes are not "painted" and sorry to hear that a clear coat was used instead of "full body paint" for some of our forum members..

Russ

05 Intrigue
11883

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Yahoo Message Number: 27492
One more thought. It is surprising that the under carriage is covered with an undercoat, but the roofs are left bare. No logic to this in my book. The sun can be almost as distructive as road salt etc.

"not to get back into the roof subject again"..

I'm also surprised that CCI production values would allow "just" a clear coat on any coach of our quality.

Russ

05 Intrigue
11883

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Yahoo Message Number: 27496
Just wondering with all the recent posts on paint issues why our coach which is a 98 and of course "bone colored" doesn't seem to have any problems? Is the problem just so hard to recognize that some owners don't know they have a problem or what? Ron 98 Allure 30185

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Yahoo Message Number: 27500
Thanks Russ.

I was wondering. I had some work done a year or so ago and had the roof painted, now I can rest in peace that I'm ok and the money was well spent.

The Paint Department said I would not have to worry about the roof for quite some time.

Michael

01' Intrigue #11224

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Yahoo Message Number: 27503
Quote from: Ron Schonscheck\[br\
]Just wondering with all the recent posts on paint issues why our coach which is a 98 and of course "bone colored" doesn't seem to have any problems? Is the problem just so hard to recognize that some owners don't know they have a problem or what?  Ron 98 Allure 30185
Our 95 has had the cap clearcoat peel off in stages. The cure is to paint the gel a bone color and then apply clear coat. The damage is most obvious from the ground when looking at the brow over the windshield.

Dean

95 Magna #5280