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Coach weight issues

Yahoo Message Number: 3551
During this recent discussion, the one important item not mentioned is the weight guide required to be posted in all new coaches except bus conversions. At shows, I've found very few lookers who are aware of the sticker...and of courese most don't care. But education about this sticker and it's data could go a long way to help the novice rv buyer. As we know, Country Coach places the label inside a bath cabinet. But you really have to search in other brands since there is no common required placement. Monaco uses the driver side wall in rear closet...perhaps the same for their others brands...Beaver, Holiday Rambler, Safari...but I'm not sure. The CCC...cargo carrying capacity...is clearly stated...such as the dismal 860 pounds for the Newell. This is figured after accounting for full fuel, full L P, full fresh water and 154 pounds for each occupant (based on sleeping accomodations). It's not perfect but much better than the guess work of previous years or worse the assumption that all that bay space could be loaded to the hilt. I don't falt FMCA for not stressing CCC in so called reviews...in the Newell review the writer even tried to explain the deficit by stating the coach had lower stainless clading which added a lot of weight and that they would not do that anymore.
But let's face it, FMCA exists in part to bring the buyer and manufactures/dealers together and exists due to the major profit centers of the magazine and rallys so they can't bite the hand, etc.
And to FMCA credit, nearly every rally has the A-weight to go seminar and weighting. By the way, don't mean to pick on Newell which must be a a fine coach. I have seen a Prevost (not required since a conversion but it had a sticker) showing only 1800 pounds....in a 45 footer! That's the beauty of the sticker...can't judge by length...cost....model...till you read the sticker. Joe Cronin ancient (95) Magna

Re: Coach weight issues

Reply #1
Yahoo Message Number: 4868
I am new to this site so I just read your comments. We just bought a 97 Magna 36ft that had no label in the medicine cabinet or anywhere else. At Las Vegas at CCI prerally we had Jim Cooley show us where it was. He couldn't find it either and said I would have to call the factory for the wet weight info. At Pamona we had the coach weighed and were overweight on 3 corners.

Called CC and discovered that the cargo carrying capacity for my coach #5377 is 313lbs. Doesn't that suck? They will take no responsibility for this and say that if I want to buy larger wheels & tires they will rerate the front axle. I feel ithat they created the problem and should correct on their dime.
Quote from: jcronin3366
> During this recent discussion, the one important item not mentioned > is the weight guide required to be posted in all new coaches except > bus conversions. At shows, I've found very few lookers who are

aware

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of the sticker...and of courese most don't care. But education

about

Quote
this sticker and it's data could go a long way to help the novice

rv

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buyer. As we know, Country Coach places the label inside a bath > cabinet. But you really have to search in other brands since there > is no common required placement. Monaco uses the driver side wall

in

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rear closet...perhaps the same for their others brands...Beaver, > Holiday Rambler, Safari...but I'm not sure. The CCC...cargo

carrying

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capacity...is clearly stated...such as the dismal 860 pounds for

the

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Newell. This is figured after accounting for full fuel, full L P, > full fresh water and 154 pounds for each occupant (based on

sleeping

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accomodations). It's not perfect but much better than the guess

work

Quote
of previous years or worse the assumption that all that bay space > could be loaded to the hilt. I don't falt FMCA for not stressing

CCC

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in so called reviews...in the Newell review the writer even tried

to

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explain the deficit by stating the coach had lower stainless

clading

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which added a lot of weight and that they would not do that

anymore.

Quote
But let's face it, FMCA exists in part to bring the buyer and > manufactures/dealers together and exists due to the major profit > centers of the magazine and rallys so they can't bite the hand,

etc.

Quote
And to FMCA credit, nearly every rally has the A-weight to go

seminar

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and weighting. By the way, don't mean to pick on Newell which must > be a a fine coach. I have seen a Prevost (not required since a > conversion but it had a sticker) showing only 1800 pounds....in a

45

Re: Coach weight issues

Reply #2
Yahoo Message Number: 4869
I am new to this site so I just read your comments. We just bought a 97 Magna 36ft that had no label in the medicine cabinet or anywhere else. At Las Vegas at CCI prerally we had Jim Cooley show us where it was. He couldn't find it either and said I would have to call the factory for the wet weight info. At Pamona we had the coach weighed and were overweight on 3 corners.

Called CC and discovered that the cargo carrying capacity for my coach #5377 is 313lbs. Doesn't that suck? They will take no responsibility for this and say that if I want to buy larger wheels & tires they will rerate the front axle. I feel ithat they created the problem and should correct on their dime.
Quote from: jcronin3366
> During this recent discussion, the one important item not mentioned > is the weight guide required to be posted in all new coaches except > bus conversions. At shows, I've found very few lookers who are

aware

Quote
of the sticker...and of courese most don't care. But education

about

Quote
this sticker and it's data could go a long way to help the novice

rv

Quote
buyer. As we know, Country Coach places the label inside a bath > cabinet. But you really have to search in other brands since there > is no common required placement. Monaco uses the driver side wall

in

Quote
rear closet...perhaps the same for their others brands...Beaver, > Holiday Rambler, Safari...but I'm not sure. The CCC...cargo

carrying

Quote
capacity...is clearly stated...such as the dismal 860 pounds for

the

Quote
Newell. This is figured after accounting for full fuel, full L P, > full fresh water and 154 pounds for each occupant (based on

sleeping

Quote
accomodations). It's not perfect but much better than the guess

work

Quote
of previous years or worse the assumption that all that bay space > could be loaded to the hilt. I don't falt FMCA for not stressing

CCC

Quote
in so called reviews...in the Newell review the writer even tried

to

Quote
explain the deficit by stating the coach had lower stainless

clading

Quote
which added a lot of weight and that they would not do that

anymore.

Quote
But let's face it, FMCA exists in part to bring the buyer and > manufactures/dealers together and exists due to the major profit > centers of the magazine and rallys so they can't bite the hand,

etc.

Quote
And to FMCA credit, nearly every rally has the A-weight to go

seminar

Quote
and weighting. By the way, don't mean to pick on Newell which must > be a a fine coach. I have seen a Prevost (not required since a > conversion but it had a sticker) showing only 1800 pounds....in a

45

Re: Coach weight issues

Reply #3
Yahoo Message Number: 4871
just curious but I have a 36 intrigue under weight by #1000 all4 corner total what do you people have in your coach ???????

Brian Intrigue 10030

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Reply #4
Yahoo Message Number: 4880
Hi

Our coach was weighed (CC factory) during a recent 4 month trip and we are almost 1300lbs under. I need to find more junk to put in.

Tom & Joyce, 1999 Allure 30288

Re: Coach weight issues

Reply #5
Yahoo Message Number: 4882
Since we were dry camping at Pamona we had on a full tank of water and appr, 3/4 tank of propane and 85 gal of fuel. Other than that we only had our clothes and normal kitchen and food items. When they only give you 313lbs of ccc it doesn't take much to overload the coach. We were 450lbs over on the front axle and 380lbs over on left rear. Our coach is on a 29,410 gvwr Gillig chassis with 265/75 22.5 tires that are rated at 5205lbs @ 110psi. on front axle. I feel that since the coach had no sticker with empty weights or ncc or ccc posted that CCI should make the necessary changes to make this a safe and usable coach.

Harvey Grooms Magna #5377

Re: Coach weight issues

Reply #6
Yahoo Message Number: 4887
Harvey,

If your tires are over 5 years old you might as well change them and put larger tires on the coach. No matter how they look the tire life on a motor coach is 5 years because of UV damage. We have a 2001 Magna and in 2006 those tires will be replaced. Everyone we know who has tires over 5 years old has had a blow out and lots of damage and it does not make any difference what brand they have. Besides you don't know how the former owner ran those tires.
If he ran them on the low side for the load and in your case that would be any pressure below full pressure, the tires have suffered some damage from low air, so I wouldn't use them, but that's your decision to make.
Take care and good luck.
Bill G. 2001 Magna

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Reply #7
Yahoo Message Number: 4889
-The dealer we bought it from had put new tires on the coach so they are brand new. Also the tires that CC suggests I use will not fit on
7.5in wheels. They are supposed to be mounted on 8.25in wheels so I
would be looking at a large expense that I feel should be CCs to correct a problem they created.-- In Country-Coach- Owners@yahoogroups.com, gablerwh@a... wrote:

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Harvey,

If your tires are over 5 years old you might as well change them

and put

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larger tires on the coach. No matter how they look the tire life on

a motor

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coach is 5 years because of UV damage. We have a 2001 Magna and in

2006 those

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tires will be replaced. Everyone we know who has tires over 5 years

old has

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had a blow out and lots of damage and it does not make any
difference what

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brand they have. Besides you don't know how the former owner ran

those tires.

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If he ran them on the low side for the load and in your case that

would be

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any pressure below full pressure, the tires have suffered some

damage from

Re: Coach weight issues

Reply #8
Yahoo Message Number: 4890
Harvey,

Sorry to hear that new tires will not correct the problem. Did the former owner add some weight to the coach after it was built? We added some cabinets to our Magna and CCI made us show them our weight records before they proceeded with building the units. Now days everyone is watching weights however with the new tires they are using the new Mags have lots of load capacity.

Bill G. 2001 Magna

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Reply #9
Yahoo Message Number: 4907
The problem can be fixed with larger tires and wheels (275/70 tires &
8.25 wheels). My problem is that CCI wants me to pay for the upgrade
and I feel that this is a problem they created and did not post a sticker with the weights and carrying capacities in the coach as required by RVIA. They said if I made these changes they would rerate the front axle to 12,500lbs.

The only thing that has been added is a sattelite dish (approx 35lbs).
I didn't think CCI would take a "buyer beware" position but that is exactly what they are telling me.

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Reply #10
Yahoo Message Number: 4945
Hi, Tom (and Joyce).
Try what I do..... I ran out of junk to carry so I have doubled up on some of the more useless things!
Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438

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Reply #11
Yahoo Message Number: 4977
I tried that, Dick, but there is not enough room to put more stuff in. I am over 10,000# light. No--there is not an extra "0" in there. Weight is about 31,500 and if I could find a place to put it, I could go up to 42,000, or something like that. I keep thinking that I had something wrong, so I had it weighed again and came up with the same numbers.

Ree

Full-timin' in a 2003 Allure #30852

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Reply #12
Yahoo Message Number: 4985
Hi Dick,

Thanks for the interesting idea. I'll start doubling up right away.

Tom

99 Allure 30288