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ICC Lights Verbatim

Yahoo Message Number: 4103
When the headlight switch is off and the ICC switch is pressed, the marker lights and low beam headlights turn on until the switch is released. When the headlight switch is on with low beams and the ICC switch is pressed, the marker lights only turn off until the ICC switch is released. When the headlight switch is on with high beams and the ICC switch is pressed, the marker lights turn off and the low beams turn on until the ICC switch is released.
Verbatim from the book.

Fred "Needs a Prescription for a New Coach" Sage 2001 Magna

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Yahoo Message Number: 4106
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When the headlight switch is off and the ICC switch is pressed, the > marker lights and low beam headlights turn on until the switch is > released. When the headlight switch is on with low beams and the

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switch is pressed, the marker lights only turn off until the ICC > switch is released. When the headlight switch is on with high beams > and the ICC switch is pressed, the marker lights turn off and the

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beams turn on until the ICC switch is released.
Verbatim from the book.

Fred "Needs a Prescription for a New Coach" Sage 2001 Magna
Thanks. One more question. Does your Icc switch work like the description in your book?
Thanks
Dr. Bob

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Yahoo Message Number: 4109
My '01 Intrigue users manual states the very same thing, and yet the ICC switch operates nothing. Was told by the CC lady who checked us in for our maintenance update that the manual was in error, and the 2001 Intrigues were without that capabality - and thus I continue to be without that capability even tho the manual says I should have it. Go Figure?????

Ron and Molly, '01 Intrigue # 11262, San Diego

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Yahoo Message Number: 4120
I think only the marker lights work when the ICC switch is depressed.
I read the same thing that was quoted here, called CC and they at first didn't know but after I told them only my maker lights were affected regardless of whether the head lights were on or off. They said that is the way they are supposed to work....So, I use the headlight switch to let drivers know it is safe to pull back into my lane. Those marker lights just aren't effective for that purpose and I doubt if they meet ICC requirements.

Ray

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> When the headlight switch is off and the ICC switch is pressed,

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marker lights and low beam headlights turn on until the switch is > > released. When the headlight switch is on with low beams and the > ICC

> switch is pressed, the marker lights only turn off until the ICC > > switch is released. When the headlight switch is on with high

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Yahoo Message Number: 4121
Same on my 2000 Intrigue. I copied that part of the manual and gave it to a Beaudry RV maintenance guy in Tucson. After researching it he told me that CC said the manual was wrong....wonder if the engineer who put that in the manual thinks they are wiring them to work that way or does he really care?

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Yahoo Message Number: 4122
Maybe my memory is incorrect but I seem to recall that my '98 Intrigue had the ability to flash the ICC lights. That's what the momentary switch was for. Where was this CC lady.... factory or dealer? Doesn't sound correct to me.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438, towing a
2014 Jeep Gr Cherokee ecoDiesel

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Yahoo Message Number: 4125
Dick,

I had my coach in Beaudry for other service under warranty after having the coach only two weeks and I had discovered that only the marker lights were affected by the ICC switch. I copied the portion of the manual which stated that the head lights should be affected by pressing the switch, gave the copy to the service tech at Beaudry and he checked it out. He called CC and spoke with someone who told him that the manual was incorrect...the CC rep stated that only the marker lights were affected by the ICC switch on the Intrigue. Not sure if that also applies to the Magna since they are totally different chassis.
Ray

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Maybe my memory is incorrect but I seem to recall that my '98

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the ability to flash the ICC lights. That's what the momentary

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for. Where was this CC lady.... factory or dealer? Doesn't sound

correct to

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Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438

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Yahoo Message Number: 4175
for Dick May's querry as to where was this girl??
The CC girl that told me the manual was wrong was Kim Crampton, one of the check in specialists at the factory, who, we were told, had been there since Bob Lee entered puberty. I have a quote from her written on my SRO Maintenance Forms as follows: "It is Illegal to wire the ICC switch to the headlight switches." Period- end of story as far as she was concerned. She was not having any of this "but the manual says its supposed to be this way".
Probably much cheaper to deal with it in this manner but who knows. I have learned to run with the parking lights on and use the icc switch for the break on the running lights instead.

Ron and Molly, '01 Intrigue # 11262, San Diego

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Yahoo Message Number: 4176
The interesting thing is that Kim Crampton was fired before Christmas! She had not been there very long (as an employee of CC) and she was giving out a lot of incorrect information. She told someone (while in service at the factory in JC) who owns a 2000 Magna that he had a RUBBER ROOF! Go figure! She really seemed to not know much about our Country Coaches.

Candace Hollick

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Yahoo Message Number: 4178
Ron.....

I misunderstood the action described. On my present coach (if I remember it correctly) I have the Smart Wheel which has a button for flashing the ICC lights as noted and another button for flashing the headlights based on their current status... brights to dim, dim to brights, etc. Sorry that I spoke too fast and confused the issue.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438, towing a
2014 Jeep Gr Cherokee ecoDiesel

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Yahoo Message Number: 4180
Dick, does your coach have the headlights that are on at a low intensity at all times the key is on? The reason I ask is my 03 Allure does and I can't figure out what to do to signal an eighteen wheeler he can come over into my lane. I assumed the headlight flasher had some effect, but the truckers never flash a thank you when I use it. I finally started turning the headlight switch on and off, but that doesn't seem to do the trick either. I've about decided that this configuration doesn't allow you to turn you lights completely off when moving. Thought"s.

Walt Rotherme
03Allure30811

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Yahoo Message Number: 4181
I believe that most of today's Country Coach units have DRL, that's Daytime Running Lights. A requirment for many years in Canada of vehicles sold there. DRL are a GOOD safety feature but many will disagree with me. If you're not sure what is happenning when you are driving and flashing your headlight switch to high beam, just have someone stand in front of the coach, at a safe distance, and start your engine, put it in drive, release the parking brake, keep on the foot brake and flash your high beam light switch. They will probably notice the headlights going from normal to bright.

ICC lights normally have always worked this way. I had a fleet of commercial trucks so I speak from what I know. The ICC switch is there to "flash on" your clearance lights all around the vehicle when the headlight switch is not activated at all. When the headlight or parking lights are ON the ICC switch will "flash off" all of your clearance lights. If a trucker is looking at you in his mirror in daylight and your headlight switch is off he should see your clearance lights easily. Many times at night truckers don't want your high beams flashed into their mirrors as they pass but then using the ICC switch it makes it easy to see your "come-on-back- in" notice without blinding them with your "brights." One other way to indicate for them to "come back in" at night is to actually move your headlight switch from ON back to PARK and then back to ON.
This should take you headlights from ON to OFF to back ON as long as you don't go all the way to the OFF position (which will turn on the DRL again).

Truckers vary across the nation as to how they react to your notification of letting them know when to pull back in. Some parts of the USA they thank you other parts, well!

Bill-PA-Country Coach Prevost 1998 40' XL

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Yahoo Message Number: 4184
I had my CC modified so that the lights do not turn on until I use the main headlight switch. It now works that the ICC switch on the smartwheel now turns light lights on full power with the switch and off when the lights are on. The truckers now thank me after they pass. Also when camping at night, I do not bother the neighbors with my lights shinning into their faces.

Doug Hill

2002 Intrigue 11499

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Yahoo Message Number: 4193
I don't think your Smartwheel operates in the manner in which you described as it pertains to the headlights. The headlight 'flash' button on the steering wheel does not change the headlights from dim to brights or vice-versa. Pressing the headlight 'flash' button turns ON the headlights. The headlights come ON based on the position of the low-beam/hi-beam turn signal switch. If the switch is set for hi-beam, pressing the headlight 'flash' button turns the headlights ON hi-beam while the button is pressed.
Of coarse, if your coach is equipped with a DRL module and your coach was built prior to last month, the headlight 'flash' is not discernable by other drivers because the DRL module already has the headlights ON. That is unless you have set the low-beam/hi-beam turn signal switch to hi-beam. Then the headlight 'flash' will momentarily turn the headlights on brights.
The ICC light 'flash' button on the smartwheel only affects the ICC lights.

As far as the legallity of connecting the ICC lights to the headlights, the only requirement is the headlights cannot be turned OFF at night. On Magna and Affinity's without smartwheel the ICC light switch will turn on/off the marker lights based on their current on/off status. The ICC light switch will ALWAYS attempt to turn ON the lowbeam headlights, even if they are already on.
On Intrigue/Allure's without smartwheel, the ICC light switch was never intended to operate the headlights in any manner. And, yes, the User's Guide for some Intrigue/Allure's mistakenly refered to the operation of the ICC lights in relation to the Magna/Affinity product.
Hope this helps clear up the confusion.

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Yahoo Message Number: 4194
Biker Bill,

You are correct on most aspects. However, the DRL module turns on the headlights whenever ignition is ON. It doesn't matter if the engine is started, the park brake is disengaged or the coach is in gear. Also, turning the headlight switch from ON to PARK will not turn the headlights OFF as ignition is on, therefore the DRL module has the headlights ON.

Let me try to explain what is going on with the DRL module in simple terms. I'll start with an average headlight circuit. Lets say the vehicles battery is 12 volts (12Vdc). When the headlight switch is turned on, the actual headlight lamp(s) receive 12Vdc from the battery and are therefore a given brightness. If the battery voltage changes significantly, the brightness of the headlight lamps changes accordingly.

The purpose of a DRL module is to send a voltage (usually designated as a percentage of battery voltage), which is lower than battery voltage, to the headlight lamp. For example, if the vehicle battery voltage is 12Vdc, the DRL will only allow 85% (+/-) of the battery voltage to get to the headlight lamp.
Now, there are many factors that relate directly to the brightness of the headlight lamp, but in the case of the many DRL's, the % of battery voltage the headlight lamp actually receives is too close to the actual battery voltage.
Hence, the lamp brightness between full battery voltage and DRL voltge is too close to be discernable by the average eye.
Allow me to suggest a few remedies for the inability to 'flash' other drivers conveniently:
1. Disconnect the trigger to the DRL module and the output to the headlight lamp . Unless this is a safety concern for you.
There are no applicable state laws with this issue.
2. Set the low-beam/hi-beam switch to hi-beam. See previous post for concerns.
3. Install a different DRL module whose % of output voltage is less than the DDRL module installed in your vehicle. (CCI has one)
4. Learn to drive while operating a plethora of switches,
buttons and knobs. When you've mastered that, you can teach us how to drive while watching TV. (or is it watch TV while driving?)

I hope this clears up some issues.

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I believe that most of today's Country Coach units have DRL, that's > Daytime Running Lights. A requirment for many years in Canada of > vehicles sold there. DRL are a GOOD safety feature but many will > disagree with me. If you're not sure what is happenning when you > are driving and flashing your headlight switch to high beam, just > have someone stand in front of the coach, at a safe distance, and > start your engine, put it in drive, release the parking brake, keep > on the foot brake and flash your high beam light switch. They will > probably notice the headlights going from normal to bright.

ICC lights normally have always worked this way. I had a fleet of > commercial trucks so I speak from what I know. The ICC switch is > there to "flash on" your clearance lights all around the vehicle > when the headlight switch is not activated at all. When the > headlight or parking lights are ON the ICC switch will "flash off" > all of your clearance lights. If a trucker is looking at you in

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mirror in daylight and your headlight switch is off he should see > your clearance lights easily. Many times at night truckers don't > want your high beams flashed into their mirrors as they pass but > then using the ICC switch it makes it easy to see your "come-on-

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in" notice without blinding them with your "brights." One other

way

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to indicate for them to "come back in" at night is to actually move > your headlight switch from ON back to PARK and then back to ON.
This should take you headlights from ON to OFF to back ON as long

as

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you don't go all the way to the OFF position (which will turn on

the

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Yahoo Message Number: 4200
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You are correct on most aspects. However, the DRL module

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has the headlights ON.
 Let me try to explain >

Allow me to suggest a few remedies for the inability

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other drivers conveniently: > 1. Disconnect the trigger to the DRL module and the

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to the headlight lamp . Unless this is a safety concern for you.
There are no applicable state laws with this issue.
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I hope this clears up some issues.
As you may have or have not noted, we have a 1998 CC Prevost. There is no "DRL module" as the newer RV's have. Our DRL light circuit is wired as I said in my post, switch on, engine one, once you go to drive the headlights come on when the parking brake is released. I was mearly trying to help describe the use and need of DRL. I am not complaining how my system works, just explaining it. Prevost does not use a lower voltage to operate the DRL mode. Now a "DRL module" is something else. I don't have a problem "flashing" other drivers since I know how my system works and I know how to do it (and so does my wife who also drives).

Disconnecting the DRL module as you suggest as one option is illegal if you operate in Canada. It may be illegal is other states in that you are modifying the safety features of what the chassis manufacturer has built into their completed vehicle. I am not sure about other states, except it solves one other very important requirement for many states. When you need your wiper on you are also required to have your headlights on (PA and NJ for sure). With DRL working this requirement is easily met.

Billo-PA-Country Coach Prevost 1998 XL 40'

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Yahoo Message Number: 4208
Walt

I have had the same problem with the lights that you are having. I just starting flashing the fog lights switch on and off. That has seemed to work, since I now get "thank you" flashes back from the drivers.

Tom Royer

2003 Allure 30859

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Yahoo Message Number: 4233
I did not realize you were a Prevost owner. Sorry my mistake. I was speaking strictly from a fiberglass shell point of view. I'm sure you and your spouse know how to operate your coach. Thank you for being so tactfull in your response and reconfirming my (as well as many others) feelings towards Prevost owners.
As far as illegal in any other state is concerned, there is not a state in the union that requires DRL's as a safety feature.
Therefore, DRL's are not an official safety item. Hence, disabling DRL's can not be illegal.

As for Canada, I've driven there with my car and RV both without DRL's. I'm wandering why I wasn't given a ticket if DRL's are required in Canada. Could it be that both my vehicles are registered in the US and therefore except from that particular statute? I was never asked if my vehicles were equipped with the DRL feature so I'm wandering how they would know my non-Prevost RV was or was not equipped with DRL's.

In PA and NJ, I'm not sure how DRL's easily meet the states requirement that HEADLIGHTS will be on when there is a need for windshield wipers. Especially since many vehicles only use a backlighting method through an opaque cover for DRL's. It seems to me the law maker are expecting the actual headlights to be turned on.

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As you may have or have not noted, we have a 1998 CC Prevost. There > is no "DRL module" as the newer RV's have. Our DRL light circuit is > wired as I said in my post, switch on, engine one, once you go to > drive the headlights come on when the parking brake is released. I > was mearly trying to help describe the use and need of DRL. I am

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complaining how my system works, just explaining it. Prevost does > not use a lower voltage to operate the DRL mode. Now a "DRL module" > is something else. I don't have a problem "flashing" other drivers > since I know how my system works and I know how to do it (and so > does my wife who also drives).

Disconnecting the DRL module as you suggest as one option is

illegal

ICC Lights

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Yahoo Message Number: 4183
Thanks, Bill. Yours is the best explanation I've heard. I never would have thought of just going from on to park, instead of off.

Walt Rothermel
03Allure30811

ICC Lights

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Yahoo Message Number: 12843
On my 2000 Allure the ICC light switch does nothing. I checked for power at the switch and I have power to the switch and on the other side when activated. I have tried different combinations of other light switch positions and get nothing. Called CC and the said there was a relay board in the side control panel. I find nothing there and the schematics show nothing. I followed the wiring and they get buried in a bundle of wires located at the floor by the driver's left foot.

Has anyone had an inoperative ICC light system? What did you do to find and fix the problem? Any and all suggestions welcomed.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

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Yahoo Message Number: 12845
From: "Jim Hughes" kc4fws@...>

(snip) > Has anyone had an inoperative ICC light system? What did you do to find and fix the problem? Any and all suggestions welcomed.
Our '98's ICC lights don't work, either, and I haven't checked 'em out. I'm waiting for others to tell me what they found .

Dick (& Geri) Campagna
'98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97

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Yahoo Message Number: 12847
Our '96 Intrigue (10250) ICC lights do not work either. We never checked them out to find out why. I'll check the '99 Magna tomorrow.

Tammy

5605 Magna

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Yahoo Message Number: 12849
Hi Jim and Dick,

CCI was deficient when it came to documenting running light wiring including the ICC lights. I did get front and marker lighting schematics but the ICC wiring is missing. On a 'from-to' wire number list, it shows the output wire from the switch as number 60 16 orn and goes directly to the ICC lights. Perhaps grounding is the problem. I would suggest going to each light fixture and see if a voltage is present not only with the ground at the light but also with respect to a ground from inside the dash area. The rocker switch which controls the ICC lights could be defective and not carry the required current and maybe, just maybe, the bulbs are burnt out. I generally use the ICC to signal a response to a trucker that has flashed his brights to signal it's OK to go to the right after passing.
Fred Kovol
30593

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Yahoo Message Number: 12852
The ICC switch only breaks the clearance light circuit. This jives with my scematics. It only works when the clearance lights are on.
It won't flash them if your lights are off. Maybe you already knew that???? In the daytime I use a couple flashes of my hazards to say thanks. FWIW.
Mike

95 Intrigue 10061

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Jim and Dick,

CCI was deficient when it came to documenting running light wiring > including the ICC lights. I did get front and marker lighting > schematics but the ICC wiring is missing. On a 'from-to' wire

number

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list, it shows the output wire from the switch as number 60 16 orn

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goes directly to the ICC lights. Perhaps grounding is the problem.

I

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would suggest going to each light fixture and see if a voltage is > present not only with the ground at the light but also with

respect to

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a ground from inside the dash area. The rocker switch which

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the ICC lights could be defective and not carry the required

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and maybe, just maybe, the bulbs are burnt out. I generally use

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ICC to signal a response to a trucker that has flashed his brights

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Yahoo Message Number: 12855
Thanks Fred,

At first I thought the same thing. The ICC circuit is supposed to actuate some of the existing light circuits. It is not a seperate set of lights. The books indicated that the ICC lights will not only flash the marker lights but also the head lights provided the headlight switch is in at least the first position (parking light position). If headlights are on then it is dependent on position of the high/low beam switch in the way it changes the headlights. This was also comfirmed by CCI as well by two different techs. The techs also mentioned that there was some type of control board that received power from the ICC switch and it was added to many coaches starting with some of the mid-2000 model year production. They indicated it was located in the side control panel. I have no such control board in that area and when trying to trace the wiring wire #60 goes into the large wire bundle I spoke of earlier. I did not want to start cutting into that birds nest so I looked for the #60 wire coming down to the light harness below deck in the front of the coach. I found nothing. Does the #60 wire tap into another wire somewhere?

In looking at the schematics and some of the wiring I find the lighting circuits all using a common ground. So, if there was a ground problem the lights would not work at all with the other switches. Also, I found that when using an amp meter across the two ICC switch leads there is less than a 3amp load. This is no where near the load of the head lights if the ICC switch is supposed to control them directly, thus, indicating a possible bad connection somewhere. Or, there is a control board somewhere and the load I see is power for the board. The problem is finding it. I am hopeing that someone in the group has actually experienced this and found a solution.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Jim and Dick,

CCI was deficient when it came to documenting running light wiring > including the ICC lights. I did get front and marker lighting > schematics but the ICC wiring is missing. On a 'from-to' wire

number

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list, it shows the output wire from the switch as number 60 16 orn

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goes directly to the ICC lights. Perhaps grounding is the problem.