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04 Allure 40', Tag, High Cascade model - Sharing weights

Yahoo Message Number: 78889
Hi All - Just some info on a recent visit to a weight station. Two slides on this model, with the ISL 370.

-Ready to roll on a trip

-Except, full water tank, and we very seldom have 1/2 tank -Full LP

-Full fuel tank

-Wines properly packed too (Now gang, these are 'survival wines':)!)

Front = 11,200
Drive = 12,060
Tag = 7,620
Full Rig = 34,480

Left Side Only (From scale)
Front = 6,000

Drive = 7,080(D)/3,540(S)
Tag = 3,520

Right Side Only (From math)
Front = 5,200

Drive = 4980(D)/2,490(S)
Tag = 4,100

This is from Edco waste in La Mesa, California. I still plan to have the Escapees SmartWeight program weight each wheel individually, just have not had the time to get over to Congress, AZ to do so.
Was surprised that the Left Drive was so much more then the Right Drive. Also confused by the Left Tag being then less then the Right Tag - does not pass my filters, so suspect it was a fluke of how the corner of such a large weight platform scale picked up the weight.
When checking Tire Manufacturers charts, I always bump up to the next weight group, and if real close to begin with, bump up two levels. I then also always add another 5 psi onto that chart value, to get my per tire PSI. I also of course, do this to always match at Front/Drive/Tag from Left to Right, using the highest weight tire for each chart measurement.
I was surprised to see the Michelin XZE* 12R22.5 reflect that I could run the Drives and Tags at 75 PSI (that would have been 80 PSI to me, with my safety 5 PSI margin). The Right Tag at 4,100 lbs, was still way below the first setting of 5,200 for this tire.
I have been running with 105 PSI on the Front, and 100 PSI on the Drive and Tag.

I now would be able to run 100 PSI Front, and 80 PSI Rear and Tag.
However, until I get the individual per tire weights from the individual scales, I'm going to change my PSI's to Front 100 PSI
Drives 100 PSI
Tag 100 PSI

Makes remembering easier (I look for easy quite a bit now), plus the discrepancy between the Left Drive being so much higher then the Right Drives, but with the Right Tag being higher then the Left Tag - makes me feel I need to question the scale readings.
I also want to explain that my reasoning for jumping to the charts next higher rate setting, or if close, jumping up two spots, and then adding the additional 5 psi. Is to account for: -Load shift of weights while cornering, the outsides do pick up added weight loads.
-Cross winds also add ongoing extra weight -Coach weight creep. Oh yes, I can fit this here, I may need it...
I also know that the Tire Manufacturer charts also have a safety margin built into their recommended PSI settings. I feel very safe running below the 120 PSI Country Coach recommendation on my rig. I feel the ride is better, and that my choices are reasonable.
Long post, but wanted to share my weights in case it helps anyone else. I also will update these when I get my individual weight readings in the future.

Best to all, be safe, have fun,
Smitty
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

Re: 04 Allure 40', Tag, High Cascade model - Sharing weights

Reply #1
Yahoo Message Number: 78896
There was a factory recall on various models of CC from 2004 with tag raising and lower issues. Mine didn't present any issues so I have long forgotten the details. But I am sure MR. Remington at Oregon Motor Coach Service center who worked with Mr. Churchill in chassis department should have the answer for you.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731

Re: 04 Allure 40', Tag, High Cascade model - Sharing weights

Reply #2
Yahoo Message Number: 78904
I've appreciated a few PM's, and this post.
On tags in general, remember I'm a two year rookie, do I understand that if the tags are not set properly, that it is possible to have one tag wheel/tire carry less/more weight then the other?
Say the Left is set to come down, deployed, to a lower level then the Right - would not the Left tag carry more weight? (Assuming all other weights are equal from side to side - assuning, as they are not...)
I did have the rig aligned recently, does anyone know if checking the tags deployment (not sure what else to call it) values is stadard?
Wonder if I just have a limp tag on one side, and if so, how to determine this?
If any of you can figure out what I'm trying to ask, and know how to say it better - THANKS!!! Smitty

04 Allure 31017
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

Re: 04 Allure 40', Tag, High Cascade model - Sharing weights

Reply #3
Yahoo Message Number: 78923
Just had my 03 Intrigue weighed at an Escapees rally.
My rig is a 40' tag with two slides on the driver side.
We had full fuel and water and about 5/8 in propane.
We are loaded for full timing and had toad attached.
We were both in our front seats.
400ISL.

All in all, fairly similar to yours.

Our weights were

Front Right 5990 Front Left 5280
Drive Right 7890 Drive Left 8000
Tag Right 4020 Tag Left 4350