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Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

Yahoo Message Number: 89396
Hello all

I have never been happy with my inspire handling and have done local alignment with little change then i added all road king shocks. The shocks stoped any bottoming but still drifts left and right constantly so then i thought tire so i replaced the toyos, which were wearing fine, with michelin xza's and still no improvement. Currently i have an apointment with hendersons lineup in Grants pass Or. for the 1st of next month on our way to the FMCA northwest area rally. My question is should i hold with hendersons or should i go to country coach in Juction City. From seattle hendersons is 7 hours then 3 hours back to albany so Juction would us less fuel and time but in the end i want the best results. Any advice? Its interesting to find my handling post clear back to 09.

Rod

05 Inspire
51473

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

Reply #1
Yahoo Message Number: 89402
Rod

Kaiser Brake and Alignment in Eugene has an excellent reputation.

Dan 2006 Allure 31348

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Reply #2
Yahoo Message Number: 89403
We took ours to a heavy duty frame and alignment shop in Tampa FL and had them check the "toe-in" Once they reset that our wander problems greatly improved.

Lonny & Diane Livingston
'04 Allure #31065

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

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Yahoo Message Number: 89414
Henderson did a good job on my short wheelbase 02 32' Allure some years back. I am going to take my 07 42' Allure into them for a ride height check because I was pleased with their work. Chassis work is their primary business. Guess I'm saying I would do the 3 hour drive. 7 Feathers in Canyonville is a nice place to stop heading south and Grants Pass is only 40 miles further south.

Bill

07 Allure
07 Jeep

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Yahoo Message Number: 89418
Rod

Henderson did a great job for us on our Inspire. That was 5 years ago and we have not touched the alignment since. Not cheap but we are still happy. Tire wear has been flat and no cupping and yes we have installed new tires a couple years ago.
Ned Herrmann
06 Inspire 51677

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Reply #5
Yahoo Message Number: 89419
Rod

Henderson did a great job for us on our Inspire. That was 5 years ago and we have not touched the alignment since. Not cheap but we are still happy. Tire wear has been flat and no cupping and yes we have installed new tires a couple years ago.
Ned Herrmann
06 Inspire 51677

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Reply #6
Yahoo Message Number: 89420
Rod

Henderson did a great job for us on our Inspire. That was 5 years ago and we have not touched the alignment since. Not cheap but we are still happy. Tire wear has been flat and no cupping and yes we have installed new tires a couple years ago.
Ned Herrmann
06 Inspire 51677

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Yahoo Message Number: 89423
Does anyone have a recommendation for California for this type of work, tires, stocks alignment etc.?


Wally Falch

wfalch@...

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Yahoo Message Number: 89424
Wally

I just had a four wheel alignment at Colton Truck last week. Not cheap but I am sure that it was done right. For tires the FMCA advantage program is the best price around. I talked to Paul at Bob Dickman in Junction City and he stated that they now offer the FMCA program.

Steve Dailey
08 Magna


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Yahoo Message Number: 89429
Colton Truck in So Cal (I 10 & 215) is the best. Talk to Ed Doltar 1 909 825-4080

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Yahoo Message Number: 89432
Hi Wally,

I understand the desire for 'one stop shopping' to get as much done at the same place as possible. However these are both important items, and I would get the best tires an the best price you can find, independent of your suspension analysis. Tires should last you seven years, so it only a once in seven years inconvenience to shop for them:)!
I know their are several good suspension shops in the North West. If you need extra handling mod's, say Super steer Motion Control Units (has been a good mod for our 2004 Allure), or other components. You will find that Henderson's is a group that have their own products that many other suspension shops turn around and buy from. So, IMO - hard to go wrong with having Henderson's Lineup do your suspension analysis.

Best of luck,
Smitty

04 Allure 31017
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

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Yahoo Message Number: 89466
I think I should stay with hendersons . I talked to country coach and they said they would road test and get it right but I am just not sure about the new country coach service.

Rod

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Reply #13
Yahoo Message Number: 89469
Rod,

You might want to reconsider. We took out CC to the factory last year for an alignment. The Gentleman that did the work was with CC during their hayday. He did an excellent job and knows the chassis's inside and out. He even let me watch and explained everything he was doing and why. It was an eye opener! He will check and adjust the ride height as part of the job, which it turns out is the cause of many alignment problems. He will be using the same equipment that was used when your coach was built. Plus it will help CC get back up and running which would be good for all us CC owners.

Just my opinion,

Barney

07 Insire 52059

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

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Yahoo Message Number: 89470
Barney - I'm glad your experience with the New CC was positive. I sure want them to do well, and start building again.
Just an interesting observation that the 2003 and 2004 era 40' Allures (and perhaps Intrigues and Magna's too), came out of that factory with suspensions that just were not up to the job. The shocks were the main problem, and as you may have heard on other posts, Koni strongly encouraged CC to not use the shock they had chosen for these coaches. They knew they were not up to the job. Now I suspect the old guard at CC also were not in favor of this shock, but were 'directed' by then owner National that 'Those are the socks you will use'. I have not doubt their was a turf warfare going on, and anyone that has worked at a company that was 'taken over' knows - usually the new masters always knows best:)! (This shock on the IFS front end of our 40 coach, is the same one that was on my F53 18K I-Beam suspension.)
While it is very possible that CC has now changed the factory setting spec's for my specific coach, when I networked with them on road height, they still provided the same old factory settings that they had always had. I think it was Mikee on this board, that 'suggested' that a ride height set at the 'very top end of the recommended range', had the best chance of providing a more controlled ride.
When I networked with Colton, and also Henderson's - they concurred that setting the rig on the high side for the front end, was the way to go. (I also decided to go with the Road Kings and the Super Steer Motion Control Units too, per Henderson's recommendation.)
This is the reason I recommended the OP go to Henderson's. They have a wide breath of experience on correcting and improving many manufactures chassis ride, improving on what the factory said was the way to go. They also saw various equipment needs for various chassis, and found sources or designed and built their own items - to also improve handling. Sure, they are making a living, but they are also adding great value to the RV community.
IMO, the better you can get your handling to be, the safer you are in an emergency situation.
Again, sure not slamming the New CC - and want only the best for them... But in the case of chassis and suspension 'fixing' - I think they are not at the top of the list.

Opinions vary:)!

Best to all,
Smitty

04 Allure 31017, 40' Tag

(Michelin XZE*, Centramatics, Crossfires, Road Kings, SS Motion Control Units, Four Corner weight with PSI set accordingly, Colton front/drive/tag alignment and ride height set to the upper limit of the range - that is how my suspension is set to roll. Probably overkill, but I noted incremental improvements all along the way as different mod's were made. HVH Active Air would be an improvement on this, but boy what a price tag for that system:)!)
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

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Yahoo Message Number: 89473
We will be finding out how well Country Coach does on wheel alignment. We are getting the suspension rubber bushings and rear shocks replaced, and a wheel alignment will have to be done as well. We should get the coach back next week--we'll let you know how it works out.

Per

95 Affinity 5259

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Yahoo Message Number: 89475
Well, I have asked a question and recieved a answer. There is another post regarding alignment and looks like Henderson's is the leading vote getter. So, i want to explain my thought process to see if it makes sense. I have 2 new (8 month old) Goodyear tires on the front and I want to put 6 Michelin tires in the rear. I then would like the coach to be checked for height & alignment. I was thinking that they would also check the shocks. I have seen another discussion on HWH versus KONI, I reconize that some off this might be subjective, there is so much knowledge here, I appreciate your help. your .

Wally & Elta Mae

2007Allure 470 #31535.


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Yahoo Message Number: 89481
Wally

Colton does good chassis work but not where I would buy tires. Sounds like a trip to Oregon and the Ca taxes will pay for the trip.

Dan 2006 Allure 31348

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

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Yahoo Message Number: 90429
Hello all
An update

I was hoping to get on her and boast about how happy I was with my handling problems but not so. Hendersons did drive and say it has a centering problem and he was having trouble keeping it driving straight. They weighed the coach and put it on the rack. They tried to add more castor and I think got 1/2 degree. After they were done took another drive and the problem was still there. They say the ifs came with problems and sometimes its just the way the suspension was designed. In other words blamed the manufacture. They sold me a super steer to self install thinking it might help. My wife tried to drive a few miles after the repair and said she felt it was to dangerus for her to drive. While at the last rally one of our club members showed up with a magna he bought so now my wife is thinking we should get rid of the inspire and upgrade to a tag. Anyway disappointed with hendersons. I used a tank of fuel and two days also out a grand and still wanders. I noticed to things while driving back. It handled better when I filled up with fuel and its seems even a large car driving passed me will push the front of the coach. I hadn't noticed before but any breeze or pressure from the side will push the front of the rv.I wonder if getting more caster makes the rv more sensitive. Thats my report if I ever get this figured out I will post.

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Yahoo Message Number: 90430
Did you get a front end alignment or a 4 wheel alignment? Meaning including the rear as well as the front. Was the rear suspension checked for play, worn bushings .etc?

Mikee

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

Reply #20
Yahoo Message Number: 90432
Rod,

We had wandering on our coach as well. We had Eric at Country Coach do a full chassis inspection vlast month, and the wandering is all but gone. He had to replace several rubber bushings as well as doing the 4-wheel alignment, and it was a tremendous differeence in the coach. I highly recommend yo try Country Coach.

Per

95 Affinity 5259

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

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Yahoo Message Number: 90436
Hi mikee

Yes they checked the rear axle. I didn't see them spend any time on the rear and also didn't see them check ride height.

rod

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

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Yahoo Message Number: 90438
Was not sitting with you when they told you that about how some coaches have built in problems that are not easily 'adjusted/corrected' out. They've always had a good reputation, and I've referred many coach owners to them for handling problems over the years. Though I myself have never been to their business. The board members on other boards that had had work completed by them, I trusted, thus my reason for referring them to Henderson's. I've also bought components from them for our old T28 Bounder on a 99 F53 chassis, that really improved the handling substantially. I have and recommend their Super Steer Motion Control Units for out Country Coaches.
Rod - I'm assuming you have checked to see if your coach fits into this recall related to the IFS? If not, I would check to see if your coach is involved, and see if this helps. Contacting Holland USA was very easy for us, when we checked a recall on our 2004 Allure. They told me how to tell if my recall had been accomplished.
http://www.arfc.org/rvs/country_coach/inspire/recalls/000021173000114272000000001/recall.aspx
2005 COUNTRY COACH INSPIRE RECALL - #04V259000

RECALL FOR STEERING

ON CERTAIN MOTOR HOMES EQUIPPED WITH AN INDEPENDENT FRONT SUSPENSION (IFS) GEN II BUILT BY HOLLAND USA, THE GEAR PLATE SUPPORT GUSSETS WERE REMOVED. THIS CAN ALLOW THE PLATE TO FLEX DURING A STATIC STEER CONDITION.

Please keep us updated on what you find out, and if you like the coach for all the same reasons you bought it - stay with it until it is resolved. But, if you both are 'hooked' on RV'ing and can afford it, the Magna with Tag with BIG CAT - is a totally different experience...

Best of luck, be safe, and keep having fun! Smitty

04 Allure 31017
04 Allure Sold to a nice new owner! Now enjoying a 07 Magna Rembrandt 45' ISX600 #6775
"We're ONDROAD for THEJRNY!" (Toad and Coach license plates, say Hi if you see us!)

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

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Yahoo Message Number: 90439
Were going to a dealer today to try and test drive an inspire to see if perhaps my expectations are just to high.

Rod

Re: Henderson lineup or country coach for alignment

Reply #24
Yahoo Message Number: 90441
Rod, I also have a 2005 CC Inspire 36'. I also HAD a wandering problem. Here's what I have done to solve the problem. I installed SteerSafe Steering Stabilizer, adjusted my Koni shocks to their stiffest level, had my alignment done by Pro Tire in Denton TX Pat is the man you want, and finally replaced my sway bar mounting bushings and end link bushings. Energy Suspension custom made heavy duty urethane bushings for my coach. Kevin Tager at Energy Suspension if great to work with. I didn't spend a lot of money, total under $700, and got great results. My coach now handles great.
I hope this helps!
RJ

2005 Inspire #51264