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Where is the level control module located?

Yahoo Message Number: 6602
The HWH auto leveling system has a three-legged leveling sensor that is located somewhere underneath. Mine levels up consistently low on the slide side, I think I need to raise that side to get a better level. This is a very simple adjustment but I don't know where to look for the control module.

The rig is a 1998 Allure, 36 footer. Thanks.

Dan & Ann

1998 Allure #30180

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6603
Hi Dan,

First, the accepted procedure is to adjust the valve extension rod to raise the side that is low.

Second, I have not seen on this user's group any other method than above.

And last - adjusting the level sensor is tricky and sensitive. Touch it - and more than one degree of freedom may be affected.
Fred Kovol

[quote author=mainecoons0" \.\.\>] [/quote]

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6604
The problem is the ride height control air valve which may be failing. This valve has caused us a lot of grief. Search the posts in this group to learn how to adjust them. jerry in NM, '00 Magna.

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6605
OOPs, I have jumped to a wrong conclusion. I have had so much trouble with ride height control valves I gave you the wrong info. The leveling system does not use the ride height control valves. I'm not sure where the level module is on your coach. It is usually near the center of the coach and somewhere in the basement ceiling. jerry in NM, '00 Magna.

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6607
Fred, we've already checked the ride control system and the coach is riding properly level when in the "travel" mode. But when it levels, it consistently is low on the driver's side, slide in or out. That tells me the level control module needs to be adjusted, because the HWH auto leveling system thinks it is level when it is not.

No problem front to back either.

As someone else noted the HWH system and the ride control system are two separate entities. This is strictly a ride-control issue.

Thanks.

Quote from: fredkovol

Hi Dan,

First, the accepted procedure is to adjust the valve extension rod

to

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raise the side that is low.
Second, I have not seen on this user's group any other method than > above.

And last - adjusting the level sensor is tricky and sensitive.

Touch

Quote
it - and more than one degree of freedom may be affected.
Fred Kovol

Quote from: mainecoons0"[/quote
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> The HWH auto leveling system has a three-legged leveling sensor

that

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is located somewhere underneath. Mine levels up consistently

low on

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the slide side, I think I need to raise that side to get a

better

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level. This is a very simple adjustment but I don't know where

to

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6608
Hi,

I would talk to HWH, they will guide you through the procedure for leveling, (tires with proper inflation, level surface, leveling settle out time period, etc). As I recall there are two locations depending on coach. On the 2000 32' Allure it is located in the roof of the last full size compartment in front of the rear tires on the passenger side. It has a round cutout in the ceiling for access to the adjustment screws.
Fred Kovol

Quote from: mainecoons0

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6609
Thank you Fred. You're a great source of information on this board and I really appreciate your help!

Dan

Quote from: fredkovol

Hi,

I would talk to HWH, they will guide you through the procedure for > leveling, (tires with proper inflation, level surface, leveling

settle

Quote
out time period, etc). As I recall there are two locations

depending

Quote
on coach. On the 2000 32' Allure it is located in the roof of the

last

Quote
full size compartment in front of the rear tires on the passenger > side. It has a round cutout in the ceiling for access to the > adjustment screws.
Fred Kovol

[quote author=mainecoons0"

> Fred, we've already checked the ride control system and the

coach is

Quote
riding properly level when in the "travel" mode. But when it > > levels, it consistently is low on the driver's side, slide in or > > out. That tells me the level control module needs to be

adjusted,

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because the HWH auto leveling system thinks it is level when it

is

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not.
>

> No problem front to back either.
>

> As someone else noted the HWH system and the ride control system

are

Quote
two separate entities. This is strictly a ride-control issue.
>

> Thanks.
>
>
>
>

[quote author=fredkovol"
>]
> > Hi Dan,

> > First, the accepted procedure is to adjust the valve extension

rod

Quote
to

> > raise the side that is low.

> > Second, I have not seen on this user's group any other method

than

Quote
> above.

> > And last - adjusting the level sensor is tricky and sensitive.
> Touch

> > it - and more than one degree of freedom may be affected.
> > Fred Kovol
> >

[quote author=mainecoons0"
> > > > ..>]
> > > The HWH auto leveling system has a three-legged leveling

sensor

Quote
that

> > > is located somewhere underneath. Mine levels up

consistently

Quote
low on

> > > the slide side, I think I need to raise that side to get a > > better

> > > level. This is a very simple adjustment but I don't know

where

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6612
Dan & Ann

Had the Country Coach techs adjust mine at the Reunion a couple weeks ago. In the 36' 2002 Allure the sensor is located in the ceiling of the forward bay under a plate. The CC tech said the adjustment is VERY sensitive. I think he said he adjusted it less than a quarter of a turn - still overshot the goal a bit so I'll have to try and move it back a bit.
--

Tom Harsch 2002 Allure 30791

Quote from: mainecoons0
The HWH auto leveling system has a three-legged leveling sensor

that

Quote
is located somewhere underneath. Mine levels up consistently low

on

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6613
Hi guys...on my 1999 Allure 36 ft with slide the cut out and adjustment for the leveling system is in the first full bay from the front and it's in the center of the coach...with flashlite in hand you can see the cut out...adjustment will take a Phillips head screwdriver with long shank, laying on your back...

Mr. Fred is right on getting everything as level as you can, tires squared away, etc...my suggestion is to then put a carpenter's level on the coach floor and level the coach manually...then have someone watch the "yellow" lights while you do the "tricky" adjustment...lots of patience required....

After you think you have it right, then let the coach relevel itself and check again and most likely it'll need more adjustment due the three point system vs a four point system...and the tolerance that the leveling system has....my suggestions anyway.....from having done it....good luck....

The other option, as I recall, is to let the coach level itself, then adjust the screw that is closest to the low side (down or out) then go thru the leveling cycle again and hope that you got it right...etc. etc. etc....

Hope that this is helpful...
Ray

99 Allure 36 Single slide
30322

Quote from: mainecoons0
Thank you Fred. You're a great source of information on this board > and I really appreciate your help! >
Dan

[quote author=fredkovol"

> Hi,

> I would talk to HWH, they will guide you through the procedure

for

Quote
leveling, (tires with proper inflation, level surface, leveling > settle

> out time period, etc). As I recall there are two locations > depending

> on coach. On the 2000 32' Allure it is located in the roof of the > last

> full size compartment in front of the rear tires on the passenger > > side. It has a round cutout in the ceiling for access to the > > adjustment screws.
> Fred Kovol
>
>

[quote author=mainecoons0"
>]
> > Fred, we've already checked the ride control system and the > coach is

> > riding properly level when in the "travel" mode. But when it > > > levels, it consistently is low on the driver's side, slide in

or

Quote
> out. That tells me the level control module needs to be > adjusted,

> > because the HWH auto leveling system thinks it is level when it > is

> > not.
> >

> > No problem front to back either.
> >

> > As someone else noted the HWH system and the ride control

system

Quote
are

> > two separate entities. This is strictly a ride-control issue.
> >

> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >

[quote author=fredkovol"
> >]
> > > Hi Dan,

> > > First, the accepted procedure is to adjust the valve

extension

Quote
rod
> > to

> > > raise the side that is low.
> > > Second, I have not seen on this user's group any other method > than

> > > above.

> > > And last - adjusting the level sensor is tricky and

sensitive.

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6615
I assume you're talking about the first full bay that is immediately behind the propane bay. There's no cutout in the ceiling of mine, or in the following bay either. I have this bad feeling I'll have to remove the entire ceiling to get at this puppy.

Dan

Quote from: ragarue
Hi guys...on my 1999 Allure 36 ft with slide the cut out and > adjustment for the leveling system is in the first full bay from

the

Quote
front and it's in the center of the coach...with flashlite in hand > you can see the cut out...adjustment will take a Phillips head > screwdriver with long shank, laying on your back...

Mr. Fred is right on getting everything as level as you can, tires > squared away, etc...my suggestion is to then put a carpenter's

level

Quote
on the coach floor and level the coach manually...then have

someone

Quote
watch the "yellow" lights while you do the "tricky"
adjustment...lots

Quote
of patience required....

After you think you have it right, then let the coach relevel

itself

Quote
and check again and most likely it'll need more adjustment due the > three point system vs a four point system...and the tolerance that > the leveling system has....my suggestions anyway.....from having

done

Quote
it....good luck....

The other option, as I recall, is to let the coach level itself,

then

Quote
adjust the screw that is closest to the low side (down or out)

then

Quote
go thru the leveling cycle again and hope that you got it > right...etc. etc. etc....

Hope that this is helpful...

Ray

99 Allure 36 Single slide
30322

[quote author=mainecoons0"

> Thank you Fred. You're a great source of information on this

board

Quote
and I really appreciate your help! > >
> Dan
>
>

[quote author=fredkovol"
>]
> > Hi,

> > I would talk to HWH, they will guide you through the procedure > for

> > leveling, (tires with proper inflation, level surface,

leveling

Quote
settle

> > out time period, etc). As I recall there are two locations > > depending

> > on coach. On the 2000 32' Allure it is located in the roof of

the

Quote
last

> > full size compartment in front of the rear tires on the

passenger

Quote
> side. It has a round cutout in the ceiling for access to the > > > adjustment screws.
> > Fred Kovol
> >
> >

[quote author=mainecoons0"
> >]
> > > Fred, we've already checked the ride control system and the > > coach is

> > > riding properly level when in the "travel" mode. But when

it

Quote
> > levels, it consistently is low on the driver's side, slide

in

Quote
or

> > > out. That tells me the level control module needs to be > > adjusted,

> > > because the HWH auto leveling system thinks it is level when

it

Quote
is
> > > not.
> > >

> > > No problem front to back either.
> > >

> > > As someone else noted the HWH system and the ride control > system
> are

> > > two separate entities. This is strictly a ride-control

issue.

Quote
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

[quote author=fredkovol"
> > >]
> > > > Hi Dan,

> > > > First, the accepted procedure is to adjust the valve > extension
> rod
> > > to

> > > > raise the side that is low.
> > > > Second, I have not seen on this user's group any other

method

Quote
than
> > > > above.

> > > > And last - adjusting the level sensor is tricky and > sensitive.
> > > Touch

> > > > it - and more than one degree of freedom may be affected.
> > > > Fred Kovol
> > > >

[quote author=mainecoons0"
> > > > > > > > ..>]
> > > > > The HWH auto leveling system has a three-legged leveling > > sensor
> > > that

> > > > > is located somewhere underneath. Mine levels up > > consistently
> > > low on

> > > > > the slide side, I think I need to raise that side to get

a

Quote
> > better

> > > > > level. This is a very simple adjustment but I don't

know

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6618
Yes sir...it's the first full bay behind the propane bay...and by ceiling I mean that there is a drop down in the center of the coach that runs front to rear and covers the wiring and pipes, etc...the cut out is in that drop down part's ceiling....actually on the 99 the drop down, both sides and "ceiling" is plywood covered in carpet...you can remove the side of the covering or the bottom by removing a few screws...(I did that and drilled some one inch holes in the sides of mine to hold broom, mop, washing brush and awning pull down handles by sliding them thru the holes)..anyway, if it doesn't have a cut out, I'd remove the side and look for the adjuster but I can't imagine that they didn't put a cut out in...it would be in the left to right center of the coach...by the way, the cut out is maybe a 4 inch diameter hole, and the adjuster is about 3 inches in diameter...as I remember...and may be covered with a plate or something...
Good luck....
Ray

Quote from: mainecoons0
I assume you're talking about the first full bay that is

immediately

Quote
behind the propane bay. There's no cutout in the ceiling of mine, > or in the following bay either. I have this bad feeling I'll have > to remove the entire ceiling to get at this puppy.

Dan

[quote author=ragarue"

> Hi guys...on my 1999 Allure 36 ft with slide the cut out and > > adjustment for the leveling system is in the first full bay from > the

> front and it's in the center of the coach...with flashlite in

hand

Quote
you can see the cut out...adjustment will take a Phillips head > > screwdriver with long shank, laying on your back...
>

> Mr. Fred is right on getting everything as level as you can,

tires

Quote
squared away, etc...my suggestion is to then put a carpenter's > level

> on the coach floor and level the coach manually...then have > someone

> watch the "yellow" lights while you do the "tricky" > adjustment...lots

> of patience required....
>

> After you think you have it right, then let the coach relevel > itself

> and check again and most likely it'll need more adjustment due

the

Quote
three point system vs a four point system...and the tolerance

that

Quote
the leveling system has....my suggestions anyway.....from having > done

> it....good luck....
>

> The other option, as I recall, is to let the coach level itself, > then

> adjust the screw that is closest to the low side (down or out) > then

> go thru the leveling cycle again and hope that you got it > > right...etc. etc. etc....
>
>

> Hope that this is helpful...
>
> Ray

> 99 Allure 36 Single slide
> 30322
>
>
>
>
>

[quote author=mainecoons0"
>]
> > Thank you Fred. You're a great source of information on this > board

> > and I really appreciate your help! > > >
> > Dan
> >
> >

[quote author=fredkovol"
> >]
> > > Hi,

> > > I would talk to HWH, they will guide you through the

procedure

Quote
for

> > > leveling, (tires with proper inflation, level surface, > leveling
> > settle

> > > out time period, etc). As I recall there are two locations > > > depending

> > > on coach. On the 2000 32' Allure it is located in the roof of > the

> > last

> > > full size compartment in front of the rear tires on the > passenger

> > > side. It has a round cutout in the ceiling for access to the > > > > adjustment screws.
> > > Fred Kovol
> > >
> > >

[quote author=mainecoons0"
> > >]
> > > > Fred, we've already checked the ride control system and the > > > coach is

> > > > riding properly level when in the "travel" mode. But when > it

> > > > levels, it consistently is low on the driver's side, slide > in
> or

> > > > out. That tells me the level control module needs to be > > > adjusted,

> > > > because the HWH auto leveling system thinks it is level

when

Quote
it
> > is

> > > > not.
> > > >

> > > > No problem front to back either.
> > > >

> > > > As someone else noted the HWH system and the ride control > > system
> > are

> > > > two separate entities. This is strictly a ride-control > issue.
> > > >

> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

[quote author=fredkovol"
> > > >]
> > > > > Hi Dan,

> > > > > First, the accepted procedure is to adjust the valve > > extension
> > rod
> > > > to

> > > > > raise the side that is low.
> > > > > Second, I have not seen on this user's group any other > method
> > than

> > > > > above.

> > > > > And last - adjusting the level sensor is tricky and > > sensitive.
> > > > Touch

> > > > > it - and more than one degree of freedom may be affected.
> > > > > Fred Kovol
> > > > >

Quote from: mainecoons0"

[quote
/>
Quote
> > > > > > > > > ..>]
> > > > > > The HWH auto leveling system has a three-legged

leveling

Quote
> sensor
> > > > that

> > > > > > is located somewhere underneath. Mine levels up > > > consistently
> > > > low on

> > > > > > the slide side, I think I need to raise that side to

get

Re: Where is the level control module located?

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 6635
The floor isn't the item you're trying to level - the important thing is to get the refrigerator level. So use your carpenter level on the framing right next to the refer, not on the floor.
Also, I'm not sure I agree with going out of your way to start from a very level position. The whole point of the auto leveling system is to correct for an uneven starting attitude. I'd just start from any handy spot, let the leveling system do its thing, and then begin making corrections until the refrigerator is level.
The CC techs used the manual leveling controls (up and down arrows on the control pad) until the refrigerator was level, then adjusted the sensor (in the forward storage bay) screws until all the amber lights on the control panel were off. Then they went through an auto leveling cycle to verify that all was well. They repeated the whole procedure a couple times before it all seemed okay.
--

Tom Harsch '02 Allure 30791

Quote from: ragarue