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Montana LLC

February 17, 2017, 02:04:22 pm

Greetings,

I currently live in Arizona where it is not only expensive to register my coach but is difficult to pass the emission testing.
My question, is does anyone have experience with forming a Montana LLC for the purpose of registering their coach and what are the pros and cons? Also any recommendation on which company to use would be helpful.
Thank you in advance.

George Magee
06 Inspire
51639

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #1 – February 17, 2017, 02:06:27 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109971

Action Services 800 481 0013, works great, very easy, super people there.

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:03 AM To: Country Coach Yahoo Group Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC

Greetings,

I currently live in Arizona where it is not only expensive to register my coach but is difficult to pass the emission testing.

My question, is does anyone have experience with forming a Montana LLC for the purpose of registering their coach and what are the pros and cons? Also any recommendation on which company to use would be helpful.

Thank you in advance.

George Magee

06 Inspire

51639

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #2 – February 17, 2017, 02:13:22 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109972

Hi

Contact Bennett Law Office, PC in Missoula, MT They are very experienced and are extremely friendly and will walk you thru the whole process.
Google them. They have a good web site.
Ed

08 Intrigue 530
#12360

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #3 – February 17, 2017, 03:19:46 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109974

i use Deer Creek set up n llc for RV rental then when you drive the MH print out a rental agreement that way they can't ask why you have a Az drivers license and Mt plates

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #4 – February 17, 2017, 03:37:29 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109975

One make sure and research your state laws. Here in CA if it is garaged here must be registered here and they are going after owners without of state registrations. They also offer a reward for tattling on your neighbor of something like 10% of what the state collects.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #5 – February 17, 2017, 04:36:28 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109977

Colorado also encourages snitches. Colorado values @ 100% MSRP when new so owning an expensive RV is costly! Colorado also allows registration in another state if it is out of Colorado a specific number of days per year. Front Range folks caught with OOS registrations were fined for tax evasion and back taxes.

Coriwelsh

12314 Intrigue happily registered as a MT LLC and out of Colorado most of the time.

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #6 – February 17, 2017, 05:08:57 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109978

I am in CA. Thought about it, but then after reading the interwebs, decided to register it here since it's life will be in CA. If you are full timing it would be a good solution.

2005 Intrigue Suite Sensation #11890 Cummins 400 ISL

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #7 – February 17, 2017, 05:50:41 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109979

One case that made news here in the south was a guy that had his coach registered out of state for 3 years, registration plus penalties and fine was over $10K and if not paid in 30 days vehicle would be impounded.

When they catch someone they have no mercy. Since a major source of our road funds come from reg fees kind of needs to be this way. Not to be confused with I am happy about the fees or the way they compute them.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #8 – February 17, 2017, 06:41:11 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109980

Here those issues all the time over the last 25 years... I personally had a customer who did the Oregon deal while living in Washington, once he got caught by a neighbor that turned him in. He ended up not able to ever bring the coach back into Washington, or pay all the fee's & fines going back to date of purchase. He ended up buying a piece of property in Oregon and storing the coach there.... Worked for him but I just couldn't drive 150 miles every time I want to use the coach.

I'm surprised hearing that it's too expensive to register in Arizona...

Jim

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:51 PM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC

One case that made news here in the south was a guy that had his coach registered out of state for 3 years, registration plus penalties and fine was over $10K and if not paid in 30 days vehicle would be impounded.

When they catch someone they have no mercy. Since a major source of our road funds come from reg fees kind of needs to be this way. Not to be confused with I am happy about the fees or the way they compute them.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 2/17/2017 2:08:21 PM, "Todd Meyer toddrmeyer@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #9 – February 17, 2017, 08:12:46 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109981

If you cannot afford the registration sell the coach. Quit trying to cheat. We have enough of them in Wash DC.

Craig Spiess

2007 Inspire #51959
Redlands. CA

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #10 – February 17, 2017, 08:27:35 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109982

When I purchased my motor home in 2005 we were living in CA. We were going full time. We had family in Oregon and changed our residents to Oregon and then licensed coach in Oregon. Oregon has very good registration fee. In 2006 I paid $418.00 out the door for 2 years. Renewal for additional 2 years was $368.00. There rates are based on the length of the coach not price. This worked for us as we full timed for almost 10 years.

Jock Vargo

Former 2005 Inspire owner

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #11 – February 17, 2017, 11:31:32 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109983

Hey Craig,

Lighten up, I never said I couldn't afford the registration, I was simply looking for information. My motivation for asking actually had little to do with the cost of registration and more to do with the hassle of emission testing since I will be far from home when my registration is due. I was looking for alternatives.
Thankfully most on this forum are willing to give polite, honest and helpful feedback not judgmental comments.

George Magee
Inspire 51639

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #12 – February 18, 2017, 02:19:51 am

Yahoo Message Number: 109984

I formed one for this purpose. Found that in addition to the questionable legality of having a MT registered vehicle garaged in my State, the availability of financing was restricted (my bank wouldn't finance it unless my name was on the title, and MT will NOT allow your name to be on the title - just the LLC) and there was a question whether I could use my current auto policy to insure it, which meant the insurance would also be more expensive. In the end, I backed out of the plan, and went ahead and titled/registered it in my State (paying the requisite sales tax). So: check ALL the issues before you waste your time and money doing this.

Don Hutchins

'08 Allure 470, 40' tag w/ Cat C-9 and Cat tranny

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #13 – February 18, 2017, 11:24:43 am

Yahoo Message Number: 109986

I agree that that was a very disrespectful reply. There can be many reasons for these questions.

On Friday, February 17, 2017 11:31 PM, "George Magee magee.george@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:

Hey Craig,

Lighten up, I never said I couldn't afford the registration, I was simply looking for information. My motivation for asking actually had little to do with the cost of registration and more to do with the hassle of emission testing since I will be far from home when my registration is due. I was looking for alternatives.
Thankfully most on this forum are willing to give polite, honest and helpful feedback not judgmental comments.

George Magee
Inspire 51639

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #14 – February 18, 2017, 12:33:24 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109987

I appreciate the feed back on this subject. After careful consideration I don't think I will be pursuing the Montana LLC option! Thank you everyone!

George Magee
06 Inspire 51639

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:19 AM, "'Don Hutchins' dbhutchins@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:

I formed one for this purpose. Found that in addition to the questionable legality of having a MT registered vehicle garaged in my State, the availability of financing was restricted (my bank wouldn't finance it unless my name was on the title, and MT will NOT allow your name to be on the title "" just the LLC) and there was a question whether I could use my current auto policy to insure it, which meant the insurance would also be more expensive. In the end, I backed out of the plan, and went ahead and titled/registered it in my State (paying the requisite sales tax). So: check ALL the issues before you waste your time and money doing this.

Don Hutchins

'08 Allure 470, 40' tag w/ Cat C-9 and Cat tranny

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #15 – February 18, 2017, 12:54:48 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109988

We can only make informed decisions by gathering data. This forum is a great resource for that.

Good luck, btw how expensive is registration in AZ? Looking at the dmv site it is impossible to get estimate.

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #16 – February 18, 2017, 12:57:50 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109989

George,

I apologize for the content and tone of my post. I realize there are alternatives available to RV owners and each State's regulations are different and sometimes confusing. Good luck to you in the future.

Craig Spiess

2007 Inspire #51959
Redlands. CA

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #17 – February 18, 2017, 02:22:46 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109993

I think it's always a healthy exercise to find legal opportunities to pay less in taxes. Montana LLC's can be a legal alternative for many FTers and not just folks that live in MT.

I certainly would have found a way to pay less sales tax if I bought this thing new. $30k in CA sales tax is nuts.

I would potential find a way to pay more in taxes if government was so wasteful. We are not getting back what we pay in.

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #18 – February 18, 2017, 02:31:25 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109994

Paid $853 last Sept. for 1 year

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:54 AM, "Ray cnrllc@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:

We can only make informed decisions by gathering data. This forum is a great resource for that.

Good luck, btw how expensive is registration in AZ? Looking at the dmv site it is impossible to get estimate.

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #19 – February 18, 2017, 02:38:25 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109995

We have used the Bennett Law firm LLC for our RVs for about 10 years - Full timing for 7 years now [8 Yrs 5th Wheel & 2 Yrs MH]. We are very happy with their service. Understand there may be issues if one is trying to finance purchase. Registration is very reasonable - no emission. Also have not had any major issues with insurance. Use Miller Insurance in Oregon. Just be aware LLCs really for full timers or a person who really does not use RV in state were they may have a house.

Richard
05 Inspire
51265

From: "George Magee magee.george@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" To: Country Coach Yahoo Group Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:02 PM Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Montana LLC

Greetings,

I currently live in Arizona where it is not only expensive to register my coach but is difficult to pass the emission testing.
My question, is does anyone have experience with forming a Montana LLC for the purpose of registering their coach and what are the pros and cons? Also any recommendation on which company to use would be helpful.
Thank you in advance.

George Magee
06 Inspire
51639

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #20 – February 18, 2017, 03:23:39 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109996

2007 Allure registered in CA. Tag for 2017 is $659. No emission testing....I could be really snarky but will pass.....

Wally & Elta Mae

2007Allure 470 #31535

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #21 – February 18, 2017, 07:20:39 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109997

2006 Allure 470 registered in Florida $87.75 (there is a one time $225 fee first time registering any vehicle in Florida)

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:23 PM, "Walter Falch wfalch@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" wrote:

2007 Allure registered in CA. Tag for 2017 is $659. No emission testing....I could be really snarky but will pass.....

Wally & Elta Mae

2007Allure 470 #31535

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #22 – February 18, 2017, 09:56:11 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109998

Registration: Owned our Inspire since new 2006. Over $3000 the first year, now depreciated to about $700 this year. Yes, absurd. But never considered the Montana route since it is parked fulltime here in AZ. Interesting part is sales tax. If you purchase from a Private Owner, no matter how much, sales tax free. From a dealer, up to 10% depending on the county you reside.

Lon
51800
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Re: Montana LLC

Reply #23 – February 18, 2017, 10:28:28 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 109999

In Texas there are no emission tests and the price of the plates is determined by the dry.weight of the Vehicle. In my case its ABOUT a penny a pound. $316.00 for a 42' Ovation, 32,600 dry weight. . Twi 2004 Intrigue 11731

Re: Montana LLC

Reply #24 – February 19, 2017, 03:26:10 am

Yahoo Message Number: 110000

I was thinking yearly tags and registration was high in my state, Ga. My tag was $653.00 in 2016 and has been in 600 to 800 dollar range the four years we have owned it.
RoySmith
Bremen, Ga

98 Allure CC#30195

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