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Generator - Silverleaf Question

Yahoo Message Number: 105330
I'm a new owner of a 2007 CC Intrigue Ovation. Its been running great and we are now storing it for a month outside in Iowa. For the past few weeks I've had it plugged into 110VAC and left the house and chassis batteries on and the HydroHot set to "Electric" and one AC unit / Heat Pump set to 45F (Electric) in the event that the outside temp gets very cold. In Iowa we are in the 40s to 60s during the day and 30s to 40s at night. For the first week the generator would run periodically - probably in times of high demand in excess of what the 120VAC 20 Amp connection would supply (I'm not sure). I could tell this because occasionally when I went out to check on the coach the hour meter on the Genset had advanced a few hours. Last Saturday I went out to check on the coach and the Genset was running and the hour meter had advanced 20 hours overnight (basically had been running continuously). I manually shut the Genset off and "disabled" the autocharge setting on the Silverleaf. I checked the coach 24 hours later and the Genset had not run. Its warm enough overnight now that I have shut off the Hydrohot and AC units. I haven't shut down the house or Chassis batteries in order to allow the charger to continue to charge the batteries. Silverleaf settings are set so that the Genset exerciser is disabled, Quiet Hours are basically disabled (allowing the Genset to run any time), Currently I have AutoCharge set to disabled. Silverleaf is telling me I have a solid 120VAC Shorepower connection, house batteries are holding at 13.7 VDC. Inverter is in float mode. My question is whether anyone has any thoughts on why the Genset did not shut off automatically? Silverleaf documentation is that if Autocharge starts the Genset, the Genset will run until batteries are charged and holding and then will automatically shut down or run for 245 minutes, whichever comes first. Is there a mechanical relay that signals the Genset to shut down? I'm not totally familiar with specifically HOW Silverleaf communicates with the Genset, if its digital or if its a relay type system.

JimandJo 2007 Intrigue Ovation 42' 4 Slide.
Jim and Jona Seifert
2007 Intrigue 530

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105334
The Silverleaf communicates with the Generator digitally, and I think sometimes these devices don't speak the same language. Maybe that's only mine.
I would question why the generator started all these times while connected to shore power. Unless your coach is significantly different than mine, the generator will not start to run the electric portion of the Hydro-Hot or the AC unit, and neither operates from the battery bank.
You might check and see if the inverter on your coach has an auto-start feature that is active.

Another thought is just simply a connection frying someplace and it is affecting the voltage signal to an auto-start. When I replaced the inverter in my coach, I missed tightening a ground cable and I suffered some of the strangest issues (including gen. starts) until I found the problem.

Tom R

2006 Intrigue 12057

42' Ovation 4 Slide

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105336
There are 2 SilverLeaf relays in the dash, behind speedo and tach. One starts the gen, the other stops it. You can listen to them to see if they are working. I know because my gen was not stopping when pushing the button on the Total Coach Monitoring system located behind the driver's seat in a Magna. I could start it from there, but would have to walk back to bedroom to stop it. The wood trim dash board comes off easily, it is just velcroed on. I used a plastic auto/body shim to release the Velcro, unscrewed the 2 screws holding the relay box and sent it to Silver leaf. Still awaiting it's return...

Greg

2006 Magna

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:24 AM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Generator - Silverleaf Question

I'm a new owner of a 2007 CC Intrigue Ovation. Its been running great and we are now storing it for a month outside in Iowa. For the past few weeks I've had it plugged into 110VAC and left the house and chassis batteries on and the HydroHot set to "Electric" and one AC unit / Heat Pump set to 45F (Electric) in the event that the outside temp gets very cold. In Iowa we are in the 40s to 60s during the day and 30s to 40s at night. For the first week the generator would run periodically - probably in times of high demand in excess of what the 120VAC 20 Amp connection would supply (I'm not sure). I could tell this because occasionally when I went out to check on the coach the hour meter on the Genset had advanced a few hours. Last Saturday I went out to check on the coach and the Genset was running and the hour meter had advanced 20 hours overnight (basically had been running continuously). I manually shut the Genset off and "disabled" the autocharge setting on the Silverleaf. I checked the coach 24 hours later and the Genset had not run. Its warm enough overnight now that I have shut off the Hydrohot and AC units. I haven't shut down the house or Chassis batteries in order to allow the charger to continue to charge the batteries. Silverleaf settings are set so that the Genset exerciser is disabled, Quiet Hours are basically disabled (allowing the Genset to run any time), Currently I have AutoCharge set to disabled. Silverleaf is telling me I have a solid 120VAC Shorepower connection, house batteries are holding at 13.7 VDC. Inverter is in float mode. My question is whether anyone has any thoughts on why the Genset did not shut off automatically? Silverleaf documentation is that if Autocharge starts the Genset, the Genset will run until batteries are charged and holding and then will automatically shut down or run for 245 minutes, whichever comes first. Is there a mechanical relay that signals the Genset to shut down? I'm not totally familiar with specifically HOW Silverleaf communicates with the Genset, if its digital or if its a relay type system.

JimandJo 2007 Intrigue Ovation 42' 4 Slide.
2006 Magna Rembrandt C13
2016 Jeep GC toad

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105337
Just a thought but you said you turned on one heat pump by chance was that the front one? On our 2007 Intrigue Jubilee the front heat pump activated the genset during a call for cooling after talking to CC they told me this was a setting so if you have animals and you weren't hooked to shore power you could leave them in the coach safely, since we don't have animals we had them reprogram that.
Darrell 2007 Intrigue 12075

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105339
Greg, does the Total Coach Monitoring system located behind the driver's seat show a red light?

Lee (leozbrowski@...) President, CCI

2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105342
Yes it does.  However, I have replaced both Xantrex inverters, and the inverter monitoring is not routed through this Total Coach Monitoring anymore ( the  inverter displays are outside in the a bay now), so I assumed the red light is on because of that. What are you thinking?

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:48 AM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Generator - Silverleaf Question

Greg, does the Total Coach Monitoring system located behind the driver's seat show a red light?

Lee (leozbrowski@...)

President, CCI

2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13
2006 Magna Rembrandt C13
2016 Jeep GC toad

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105344
The Silverleaf master unit may need to be rebooted. In our coach, in one of the bays, in my coach it's on the road side, look for a boxed container on a side wall, it's about like a fat cigar box, probably covered with a thin under carpet layer. The cover should cover off by pulling away. Find the "Main" connection. Disconnect for at least 30 seconds. Reconnect. Check to see if the red light is off. On mine that resets and removes any error codes. Hopefully that will resolve this problem. Let me know . . .

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105353
Yes, I discovered that box the other day -- roadside bay, covered with a carpeted box. OK, I will try to reboot to get rid of red light. Both of the SilverLeaf generator relays (behind dash) are out, Silver Leaf replaced one, and they are sending them back to me. When I get them back and installed I will try to reboot. It's a good thing I am retired!

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:09 AM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Country-Coach-Owners] Generator - Silverleaf Question

The Silverleaf master unit may need to be rebooted. In our coach, in one of the bays, in my coach it's on the road side, look for a boxed container on a side wall, it's about like a fat cigar box, probably covered with a thin under carpet layer. The cover should cover off by pulling away. Find the "Main" connection. Disconnect for at least 30 seconds. Reconnect. Check to see if the red light is off. On mine that resets and removes any error codes. Hopefully that will resolve this problem. Let me know . . .

On Mar 30, 2016 10:35 AM, "'Greg Labadie' kaw4@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Yes it does. However, I have replaced both Xantrex inverters, and the inverter monitoring is not routed through this Total Coach Monitoring anymore ( the inverter displays are outside in the a bay now), so I assumed the red light is on because of that. What are you thinking?

From:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:48 AM To:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Country-Coach-Owners] Generator - Silverleaf Question

Greg, does the Total Coach Monitoring system located behind the driver's seat show a red light?

Lee (leozbrowski@...)

President, CCI

2007 Country Coach Intrigue 12153
CAT C-13
2006 Magna Rembrandt C13
2016 Jeep GC toad

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105354
This is a Silver Leaf problem and I cured the problem mechanically installing a relay however I understand an upgrade in the software now may resolve the issue now the problem is that the autogen start doesn't check to see if there's short hour before it tries to auto start is definitely an oversight on Silverleaf

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105355
Again this is a shortcoming that all Country Coach have. Anytime you have a good man for power either charging batteries or the thermostat the generator tries to start and then things get screwed up. installing a relay to interrupt the autogen start cycle when you have Shore power is what you must do you can call me and I can walk you through the procedure 949-677-2221 I too have a couple of dogs and I always wanted to make sure when I leave the couch that if I lose Shore power the generator will start and work properly

Re: Generator - Silverleaf Question

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 105362
Tom R, your statement about the generator not starting while hooked to shore power on a call for ac is incorrect, that function is programmed into the silverleaf panel when you have animals, I had mine reprogrammed by CC



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