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New Speed Limiting Law Proposal

Yahoo Message Number: 107854
Just saw this in the news today. Currently would only effect newly made trucks/ buses or any vehicle over 26,000 lbs but discussions are underway about enforcing the law to apply to all vehicles regardless of age. Us mechanical 8.3 owners would have some thinking to do.... I hope this is only limited to commercial vehicles and stays that way. The Obama administration wants to require electronic speed-limiting devices in big trucks and buses                            The Obama administration wants to require electronic...  The US Department of Transportation and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration released a new proposal Friday to require heavy-duty vehicles lik...              View on www.theverge.com          Preview by Yahoo            http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-proposes-device-to-force-trucks-buses-to-travel-at-lower-speeds-1472246714http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/nhtsa-dot-trucking-industry-truck-bus-speed-limiters/                  http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/nhtsa-dot-trucking-industry-truck-bus-speed-limiters/  { 5C5  ÍF

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Yahoo Message Number: 107856
They need to review what happened when they lowered the speed limit to 55 mph. Crashes went up due to not one paying attention wile driving so slow.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 107857
It will then make national a problem we have in CA trucks and vehicles having a max speed 10-15 mph lower than the rest of traffic. Also as pointed out below we obviously didn't learn anything from Nixon's mandated 55 max throughout the country.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 8/29/2016 1:36:36 PM, "Mbaul@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Yahoo Message Number: 107858
However notice that manufacturer's of buses and trucks, which all of our coaches are made from one these, MUST put the speed limiter on and set it.

Ongoing enforcement is for commercial interstate vehicles at THIS time.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 8/29/2016 12:17:10 PM, "jessewhite207@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Yahoo Message Number: 107859
Folks most if not all electronic engines have the ability to set max speed in the computers now.

They can mandate it but enforcing it will be like 85% of the laws that exist now that are not enforced.

The ECU for my engine has the ability to set speed from 40 to 90.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 107861
Correct but the new regulations say the manufacturer will be mandated to set it at the speed they establish. If like smog rules when they came out it was a violation to change or disable.

Now smog only gets enforced during mandatory inspections, change of ownership or annul/biannual in certain areas.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 8/29/2016 5:01:40 PM, "Mbaul@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Yahoo Message Number: 107863
What are our tires rated at?????

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:17 PM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: New Speed Limiting Law Proposal

Attached is the actual proposed regulation. It looks to me like it would only apply to commercial operators for now, but these things can easily evolve into other or more regulations.

http://fleetowner.com//site-files/fleetowner.com/files/uploads/2016/08/26/USDOT%20NPRM%20Speed%20Limiters%20August%2026-2016.pdf

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Yahoo Message Number: 107867
So, has anyone actually replied to this NPRM (it's easy). I doubt the Feds read this forum for their feedback.

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Tim Gerrity

Exploit the inevitable!

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Yahoo Message Number: 107868
Our moderator would seem to be the logical one. Seems like he could officially speak for the members

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Yahoo Message Number: 107874
Any one that has been blown off the road by one of these wild cat truckers is not going to jump on the band wagon against this law. It really won't make much difference to us guy's that tow our cars behind us. In my opinion .it takes an idiot that tow's a car faster than 60 or 65 miles an hour. Let them get these speeders off the highway's!!

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Yahoo Message Number: 107876
Wow the old if your going slower than me you are a fool and faster than me you are an idiot!!

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 8/30/2016 11:21:19 AM, "yuell raby rraby2772@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Yahoo Message Number: 107877
What can happen at 70 MPH that cant happen at 65. From an idiot that drives at 70 when that is the speed limit. Barrie Boas Concept 5111

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Yahoo Message Number: 107880
One the problems I have with most of these kind of rules is they are to help survive an accident, not avoid!!! Hello shouldn't avoiding the accident be the first priority?

We have different speeds for large vehicles and cars here in CA. From my observations more accidents and near accidents from that than the actual speed. Yes when am accident happens the larger the mass and the higher the speed the higher damage.

However you get on 2 and four lane roads with lower speeds for trucks and other large vehicles and drivers of smaller vehicles take chances in order to pass. Not always making it back into their lane due to their misjudgment or insistence on taking the right away. Then when they go under the wheels of the large vehicle that vehicle gets blamed, read this as truck or a motorhome owner must have deep pockets!

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 8/30/2016 12:37:45 PM, "'J. Barrie Boas' jbells_32713@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Yahoo Message Number: 107886
In my opinion all vehicles should have the same speed limit here in Washington trucks have a lower limit and your constantly going in and out of traffic to go around trucks and usually getting cut off by someone tailing you. There's not a good reason for trucks to have a lower limit especially if cars had the courtesy not to dive in front of them and hit the brakes.

Alan 1999 intrigue

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Yahoo Message Number: 107888
Well, folks, or opinions or even knowledge on this subject is pretty well wasted effort. The "rule makers" are never impressed or influenced by fact.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 107889
I drove for years in California, dealing with their mixed traffic speeds when driving a large horse hauling rig. It was a big pain and initiated dangerous behavior in the small car drivers. I've spent the past two decades on the East Coast, driving my RV from Florida to Massachusetts to Chicago to St Louis to Richmond etc, many times with a tow vehicle, where the speed limit is usually the same for all vehicles.

There have been times I have needed to increase my speed to avoid an accident on the road, and any speed governing adjustment/device would hinder that ability and decrease my safety. As others have said, car drivers will do dangerous things to get around or get in front of what they know will be a slower large vehicle.

As far as towing at speed, yes if it is legal to drive 70, if circumstances are favorable, I love driving at that speed. My coach loves to go and has the engine to do it! I feel anyone who is uncomfortable driving an RV with or without a tow vehicle at the speed limit, should avoid being on the roads with those speed limits. I do agree that there seem to be more unsafe truck drivers these days than ever before --one of them even ran my RV into the side of the Johnstown Tunnel on the PA interstate last year (and I also live off busy 1-81 near the 1-70 interchange, an area with one of the highest rates of TTs traveling on the road daily) but that is an issue for law enforcement and the companies hiring those drivers.

Carrie Chase

2007 CC Tribute 81075

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Yahoo Message Number: 107890
I agree with Carrie. When I first got my coach and was living in Texas (cars and trucks same speed) it was a breeze to drive and tow, never had a problem. Now that I recently moved to California (different car and truck speeds) I find it much more dangerous. The cars get frustrated and make aggressive maneuvers to get around my rig. Definitely I feel the same speed limit for cars and trucks is much safer.

Greg

06 Magna 6642

From: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:45 AM To: Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Country-Coach-Owners] Re: New Speed Limiting Law Proposal

I drove for years in California, dealing with their mixed traffic speeds when driving a large horse hauling rig. It was a big pain and initiated dangerous behavior in the small car drivers. I've spent the past two decades on the East Coast, driving my RV from Florida to Massachusetts to Chicago to St Louis to Richmond etc, many times with a tow vehicle, where the speed limit is usually the same for all vehicles.

There have been times I have needed to increase my speed to avoid an accident on the road, and any speed governing adjustment/device would hinder that ability and decrease my safety. As others have said, car drivers will do dangerous things to get around or get in front of what they know will be a slower large vehicle.

As far as towing at speed, yes if it is legal to drive 70, if circumstances are favorable, I love driving at that speed. My coach loves to go and has the engine to do it! I feel anyone who is uncomfortable driving an RV with or without a tow vehicle at the speed limit, should avoid being on the roads with those speed limits. I do agree that there seem to be more unsafe truck drivers these days than ever before --one of them even ran my RV into the side of the Johnstown Tunnel on the PA interstate last year (and I also live off busy 1-81 near the 1-70 interchange, an area with one of the highest rates of TTs traveling on the road daily) but that is an issue for law enforcement and the companies hiring those drivers.

Carrie Chase

2007 CC Tribute 81075
2006 Magna Rembrandt C13
2016 Jeep GC toad

Re: New Speed Limiting Law Proposal

Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 107891
Yea, the "regulators" have short memories. The NTHSB has done studies that conclude exactly the same thing. So, we pay tax dollars for research to be ignored.

The beat goes on.

Mikee

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Yahoo Message Number: 107892
It would be logical, if the Feds listened to common sense. They don't. They listen to numbers. Only a flood of negative responses will have an effect on them.

It's kind of like voting: if you don't participate in the process, you don't get to gripe about the outcome.

Tim Gerrity

2002 Magna Interlude #6181
2011 Ford Escape AWD

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Yahoo Message Number: 107900
When I said that it would take an idiot to tow over 60 or 65, I wasn't judging any one's ability to drive faster or insinuating that our coaches would not go faster . I was thinking more on the terms of wear and tear on the tow vehicles, and I know I am going to get some on here that will swear they have towed such and such vehicles at a hundred miles an hour for the last twenty years and it did no harm to the tow vehicle, but speaking from past experience with four different Jeep's that altho all the literature that you will find on them says there is no limit on speed or millage, when I drove above seventy miles an hour, i was going through two transfer cases a year but since I ave slowed to between sixty and sixty five mph, I haven't lost one yet !

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Yahoo Message Number: 107915
If American drivers would practice the concept of "drive on the right and pass on the left" as they do in Europe, there would be far fewer problems. Speeds can vary by a lot, as long as the car/truck/RV doing the passing moves immediately to the right. And, the same for cars that pass""move immediately to the right. And, never pass on the right. Works great in Germany, Italy, etc. Not so much here because most people don't/won't understand the concept. No need to reduce anyone's speed.

Dave Glen

'06 Magna 6591

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Yahoo Message Number: 107916
That works fine when you don't have a near endless line of slow moving, by law, vehicles in the right lane

Also if one of them are moving still slower for what ever reason and another, think one of us, pulls out to pass we accelerate much slower and hold up other traffic much longer while we are out in the left lane.

Ray

They say wine improves with age! As I enter my golden years, I say age improves with wine! The Born Loser

On 8/31/2016 5:58:36 PM, "David Glen dmglen@... [Country-Coach-Owners]" Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Yahoo Message Number: 107928
I wonder if the Feds watch this? Leave speed limits for cars and trucks the same!

This is why you shouldn't drive slow in the left lane "" District Speed

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This is why you shouldn't drive slow in the left lane "" ... If we have one word of advice to every single person on the roadways today it is to watch this video and absorb all of the information that lies within.

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2006 Magna Rembrandt C13
2016 Jeep GC toad

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Yahoo Message Number: 107930
G' morning all,

It not the speed that kills, it's the sudden stops. As long as the speed limit allows us to get into 6th gear, I have no problem fixing a universal speed limit at 62 or 65 mph for all heavy vehicles. There are graphs that show you how long it takes to stop a 40,000 lbs. vehicle travelling at 65 miles an hour.

What is always been a mystery to me is seeing trucks travelling at speed with only a few feet between them. They say it is "˜drafting' and saves fuel. The rule of thumb that I use is a minimum of 5 seconds behind the vehicle in front of me and it usually is 8 seconds at 65 mph. I hope everyone has a breaking system on the toad.

The higher highway speed limits is why I try at all times to use the US Highway and State route systems rather than then Interstate system. It takes a little longer but you see things that you will never see doing 70 on the Interstate.

I repeat, It's the sudden stops.

Please excuse the "˜soap box'

Michael (28 years professional driver, no accidents and 1 speeding ticket in a little over 600,000 miles).
05 Inspire #51381

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