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CC used wrong hose for Hurricane

Yahoo Message Number: 117655
I'm getting a flame out on my Hurricane and I'm examining the hose the factory installed for the fuel and return lines there is a bit of cracking. It's Gates LOL Plus 4. I looked it up. Gates states "Do not use for gasoline or diesel fuels."

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Rich

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I had The same problem with my 2003 intrigue. Had to change the fuel hose. After that no problem. That was 7 years ago.
Glen Coulter
2003 intrigue

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Forgot to put my coach and year. 2002 Magna. Changing out the hose on mine is going to be a massive job. Hurricane is at the rear of a 42 footer. Besides running it what looks to be quite a ways through the engine compartment mess, looks like I would have to remove all of the center panels of the storage bays. Then there's the issue of getting to where the hoses connect to the tank.

Rich 2002 Magna

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I had to do the same procedure to my 2003 42ft Intrigue, and the shop that did it was not happy but completed the project. I have since been out in -5F with windchill to -20F for two days and was so proud of the job my Hurricane did. Safe travels.

Jeff Thurston
11630

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CC also used the wrong hose type on my Generator fuel lines, they were pneumatic hoses, while trying to start generator fuel was leaking through the hoses, cut the old hoses at tank and generator and rerouted new fuel hose, getting to the top of the fuel tank was a real challenge. This happened in 2005, but this is the first time I saw another hose issue
Jerry
2004 Inspire 51012

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Rich,

FWIW, I can't imagine that CC would have installed a hose that the manufacturer did not label as "OK for diesel" - I'm not questioning you, I'm merely in a quandary as to that huge of an error on CC part! I'm wondering if Gates changed their application for that hose since CC installed it on our coaches?

I've got the same furnace, same hose and same problem if we have to change it out! Yikes!

John

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The 3/8" hose from my engine to the coolant tank was also the wrong hose. The hose they installed split open after 10 years and made a big mess. I think the hose was for a fuel line.

Norm 04 Intrigue #11773

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I have been having the flame out error on my 2003 allure with the hurricane heater especially this past winter in Washington. I have concluded it is because my small racor filter getting plugged after only a few weeks. I will be using a much larger 10 micron spin on filter after I use up my spare filters. These filters are black and plugged when I replace them.

Dick Read
2003 Allure 1st Ave. #30905

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The fuel lines installed on most 2002 - 2004 units were not rated for diesel. This is both to the hurricane and the generators. I had mine replaced years ago with marine grade fuel lines. Slight cracks will either start to leak or suck in air causing major problems. When you do the replacement have all fuel lines checked out.

BVL
2003 Country Coach
Allure First Ave 30900

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Hey Jerry

I had the same issue with my gen set.

Walt Leutwyler
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WALT,
That figures, your Coach was only 2 numbers from mine. Inorder to get to the top of the fuel tank I had to knock out the wall of the front Passenger Storage compartment wasn't fun. BTW got the Fridge figured out all is good. Installing a different Samsung, a 21 CF, found it a Lowes, only have to cut less than 2 inches on the top. It has no handles, recesses in the doors, its a Stainless with ice maker top freezer unit still more CF than the Samsung RF18 . Wife likes it, so naturally I do to.

Jerry
2004 Inspire 51012

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These hoses are definitely not rated for diesel. If you cut one open you can see the cracking on the interior from exposure to diesel. It then start sucking air causing a flame out on the Hurricane. I did what ITR suggested last night and ran a hose from the filter to an external fuel tank and it ran perfectly. I do not understand what happened at the factory in those years in this regard. If you have any doubt about the lack of compatibility with diesel and these hoses see this: https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-power/hydraulic-hose-couplings/textile-braid-hose-and-couplings/lol-lock-on-hose/p/3284-000000-000001/v/3284-02535

My generator lines went years ago. It took multiple trips to multiple places as my generator with shutting down before Cummins, I believe in Albuquerque, figured it out and replaced the hoses to the generator. The mystery is that they somehow replaced the hoses to the genset without cutting a hole in anything or dropping the fuel tank. I'm trying to figure out how they did it. I'm wondering if on my coach, once you slide the generator out and poke your head up in there you can reach the fittings on top of the fuel tank from the middle of the coach. Anyone could walk us through this job would be appreciated.

Rich 2002 Magna

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I know every model of coach I different, in my case with the 04 inspire, my propane tank is on the drivers side, first lower compartment, i used a long 2x4 to reach through the propane compartment and knocked the wooden wall of the passengers side front compartment out, which gave me better access to the top of the fuel tank,I cut the old lines left them in place and rerouted new line up over the front end to the generator.have had no problem since
Jerry
2004 Inspire51012

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Just for information, I had the same flame out issue with my 2003 Allure Hurricane unit a year ago. I replaced the fuel pump as a precaution, and everything was fine again. I then had OMC check the fuel lines in Eugene in the fall. They vacuum tested them for leaks, and low and behold, they were fine. They had apparently been replaced by the original owner before I bought the coach. It might be worthwhile to have the lines vacuum tested before replacing them, at great expense. In my case, due to the age of the coach, that tedious process was already done by the original owner, and the fuel pump had gotten tired, but not totally broken down, after fifteen years of use. Just a thought....
Bruce-03 Allure #30852

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We bought our 2003 Intrigue in Sept 2018. The first thing my husband had to do was replace the lines to the Hurricane heater and generator. Had to lower the coach's fuel tank to access the connection points on the top of the tank. Once all was repaired, we were good!

Marie
2003 Intrigue

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Had the same problem with line going to coolant tank and the hose was a fuel hose instead a coolant hose.
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Bruce the original hurricane fuel pumps in the early 2000s we're no good. They were cylindrical in shape. I replace mine with an updated rectangular pump 14 years ago. Vacuum testing the lines is a good idea but if you could get to the line on the fuel tank to vacuum test it, you could also get to it to replace it! As someone said every coach is different in this regard. My propane tank is nowhere near the fuel tank or the Hurricane. On my coach, there are access doors to the fuel tank, but it's a hell of a long way in to where the hose is attach. Cummins coach care in Albuquerque somehow got in there to replace the generator fuel lines, but that was 14 years ago and I doubt the guy still works there or would remember even if is still there.

Rich 2002 Magna

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What coolant tank are you talking about. Is it the one for the aniifreeze?
Glen COULTER
2003 intrigue

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Richard, thanks for the information on the fuel pump. I ordered mine from the Hurricane authority, ITR, in Vancouver, Wa., and they sent one that was an upgrade basically the same type as was in it. The vacuum test was performed from the Hurricane end of the fuel lines, so it doesn't matter where they were tapped into, as long as they held the vacuum adequately for the prescribed amount of time. In the interim, until the new fuel pump arrived, I jury rigged a five gallon gas can (filled with diesel) next to the Hurricane bay and ran a temporary new fuel line three or four feet to supply the unit. It worked for several days, which told me the old fuel pump still worked, but had weakened to the point that it couldn't pull fuel all the way from the main tank anymore. I lucked out!
Bruce 03 Allure #30852

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Bruce, the replacement fuel pump I got 14 years ago came directly from ITR. It's a rectangular pump. Looks nothing like the original pump, so you would have to know what yours looks like. It's possible that by 03 they had moved to the rectangular pump. you do raise a good point though, perhaps after all these years even my new pump is no longer performing up to spec.

As far as the vacuum test is concerned, I've never done one but I would imagine you would have to remove the hose from the tank end and plug it in order to apply a vacuum from the Hurricane end.

Rich 2002 Magna

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Rich, Yes, mine is the newer model. Perhaps the original owner had already replaced it once. The Hurricane had a lot of work done to it when I bought the coach......shoddy in many respects. I have re-done a lot of work they did poorly. If the line in the tank is submerged I would imagine the Hurricane end of the vacuum test would work just fine, but I wasn't there when they tested it, so I don't know for sure. Either way, I am glad the replacement wasn't necessary. They told me at OMC that is was a very labor intensive process to get access to the tank lines!
Bruce

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Yes. The line from the radiator to the antifreeze tank ruptured quickly dumping 5 or 6 gallons of antifreeze on the road and toad. Found the hose that was split and temporarily I replaced it with an air hose of the correct size used for airing up the tires, added fresh antifreeze with proper dilution of silicate anti- cavitation solution and had the temporary air hose replaced at Brian's Collision and RV service at Lake Whales, FL who confirmed the that the hose was a fuel hose not hose a compatible with antifreeze. This was a the original hose since I bought the unit new.

Have had to replace several of the hydrolic pressure hoses on the road and two antifreeze hoses that were chafed because of careless routing. Coach is an 07, 37 foot inspire.

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How can you tell if they are the right hoses? Markings?  Brian O’DayPortland, Oregon2006 inspire #515652015 Grand Cheroke toad     

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Rich,

You asked if anyone has recently replaced the generator fuel hoses. I did this job last summer. The following are the steps it took me on my 2000 Magna.

    • Jack up right front tire. Remove the tire and wheel (This requires an impact wrench that can generate at least 250 ft lbs of torque). Place an appropriate jack stand to support.
    • Turn front tires as far to the left as possible.
    • Remove the metal panel that makes up the rear of the wheel well. This panel is approximately 3' x 3'.
    • Release generator and pull out as far as it will go.
    • Crawl under the coach behind the space where the generator is normally stored. You can easily sit up in this space. Disconnect the fuel lines from the back of the generator. One is the supply line and the other is the return fuel line. In my case I could easily see cracks in both lines. Prior to starting this project I had attached a new line to the generator and placed it in a can of fuel to make sure the lines were the problem. It ran fine from the fuel can.
    • Pull the lines out of the protective sleeve, if present and remove any supporting clamps or wire ties.
    • Follow these lines back above the front axle and with help of an assistant ( proferably young and nimble) determine where they connect at the fuel tank. My coach has a door (~1' square) directly behind the right front wheel that allowed me to see the top of the tank and the various hose connections. There are six hoses terminating at the tank. Two each for the engine, heater and generator. I had my son-in-law helping me and he crawled in behind the front axle to help determine which hoses were for the generator. He eventually also helped me with the routing the replacement hoses.
    • Once you have determined which hoses to disconnect, position yourself in the space behind the front brake so that you can reach through the opening where you removed the panel at the rear of the wheel well (Step 3).It's a long reach but doable. Remove the clamps for each hose and pull hoses off the fittings.
    • Route two new hoses from the generator to the main fuel tank. Reinstall sleeving and clamps and/or wire ties. Try and replicate the location of the hoses to the original location so you don't crimp the hose when you close the generator.
    • As I recall it took a couple of tries to get the generator started do to air in the lines, but once it started it ran fine and has done so since then.
    • A couple of cautions. If you are old line me (76) get some young help. The tire alone is VERY heavy and when you jack it up only do so the absolute minimum to free it. If you don't have an impact wrench, you can probably rent one. Mine will generate 450#'s feet of torque.
    • I don't know this for sure, but since the other hoses, engine and heater, run the length of the coach in enclosed spaces, they may not deteriorate as quickly. If I have any trouble, particularly with the heater, I think I would cut the hose back as far as I could in the service bay, replace it and try that as my first option
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    Please be safe in using appropriate strength jack stands and jack.

    My next projects include replacing the engine block heater, Caterpillar C-10 and the inverter. The engine block heater went out sometime last year (We live at 8200' in Colorado, summers are wonderful, but winters temperatures can go down to -20, so an engine block heater is a necessity) and the inverter went out on the way home from Tucson, AZ this spring. My incoming 120v AC wires melted including the wire nuts. The fan is also making a horrific noise. I guess this goes with owning a 20 year old coach!

    Don Clemens
    2000 Magna #5854
    2010 Honda CRV toad