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VMS plug

Yahoo Message Number: 13745
Egon: Since your coach is a 99, it's probably the same as mine. It's easiest to remove the top of the dash board and reach down behind the bulkhead in front of the pedals. I found mine there, well hidden. The cable was sufficiently long to allow it to be lifted up and the connections made.

Larry

99 Intrigue
10762

Re: VMS plug

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13767
I have found a round plug in the compartment under the transmission shifter panel (inside the storage compartment with all the wire bundles just to left of driver seat.) I couldn't find a round plug under the dash, only found the rectangular one used by Allison techs. If I post the photo of the one inside that compartment could someone tell me if that is correct one?

Thanks

Travman

Intrigue 11040

Quote from: LARRY A HANSON
> Egon: Since your coach is a 99, it's probably the same as mine.
It's easiest to remove the top of the dash board and reach down behind the bulkhead in front of the pedals. I found mine there, well hidden. The cable was sufficiently long to allow it to be lifted up and the connections made.

Re: VMS plug

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13776
Hi Travman,

I just looked at the two pictures you have in the files - can't make out anything in either. Need a picture looking at the face of the connector. Consider looking at the elcetrical foldout S0699 for the data lines and connector locations.
Fred Kovol

Quote from: travman100

Re: VMS plug

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13777
Fred,

Thanks for the note, I just checked my book and do not have S0699, mine jumps from SO698 to SO700. Does S0699 include my coach number 11040?

Thanks

Travman
11040

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Travman,

I just looked at the two pictures you have in the files - can't

make

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out anything in either. Need a picture looking at the face of the > connector. Consider looking at the elcetrical foldout S0699 for

the

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data lines and connector locations.
Fred Kovol

[quote author=travman100"

>

> I have found a round plug in the compartment under the

transmission

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shifter panel (inside the storage compartment with all the wire > > bundles just to left of driver seat.) I couldn't find a round

plug

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under the dash, only found the rectangular one used by Allison > > techs. If I post the photo of the one inside that compartment

could

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someone tell me if that is correct one? > >

> Thanks
>

> Travman

> Intrigue 11040
>
>

[quote author=LARRY A HANSON"
>]
> > Egon: Since your coach is a 99, it's probably the same as

mine.

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It's easiest to remove the top of the dash board and reach down > > behind the bulkhead in front of the pedals. I found mine there,

well

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hidden. The cable was sufficiently long to allow it to be lifted

up

Re: VMS plug

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13787
Hi Travman,

There should have been foldouts(larger than 11x17) in one of the binders you received with the coach documentation - one electrical(2sheets) and one pneumatic(2 sheets).
The electrical shows the dc voltage and data busses with the interconnects (connectors) from the back to the front and includes such items and the Engine ECM interface, VIM(internal) and ABS/ ATC(Wabco) computer interface.
Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

Quote from: travman100

Re: VMS plug

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13789
Fred,

I found the S0699 drawing in the plastic folder, it does show an rear engine ECM connector (in the fuel filter bay) but doesn't show one in the front. I will put more pictures of the connector which I found in the shifter compartment to left of driver where all the wires are crammed into tight space. I believe that connector might just be a manufacturing test connector but not sure.
Thanks again for your help.

Travman
11040

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Travman,

There should have been foldouts(larger than 11x17) in one of the > binders you received with the coach documentation - one > electrical(2sheets) and one pneumatic(2 sheets).
The electrical shows the dc voltage and data busses with the > interconnects (connectors) from the back to the front and includes > such items and the Engine ECM interface, VIM(internal) and ABS/ > ATC(Wabco) computer interface.
Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

[quote author=travman100"

>

> Fred,
>

> Thanks for the note, I just checked my book and do not have

S0699,

Quote
mine jumps from SO698 to SO700. Does S0699 include my coach

number

Quote
11040?
>

> Thanks
>

> Travman
> 11040
>
>

[quote author=fredkovol"
>]
> >

> > Hi Travman,

> > I just looked at the two pictures you have in the files -

can't

Quote
make

> > out anything in either. Need a picture looking at the face of

the

Quote
> connector. Consider looking at the elcetrical foldout S0699

for

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the

> > data lines and connector locations.
> > Fred Kovol
> >
> >

[quote author=travman100"
> >]
> > >

> > > I have found a round plug in the compartment under the > > transmission

> > > shifter panel (inside the storage compartment with all the

wire

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> > bundles just to left of driver seat.) I couldn't find a

round

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plug

> > > under the dash, only found the rectangular one used by

Allison

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> > techs. If I post the photo of the one inside that

compartment

Quote
could

> > > someone tell me if that is correct one? > > > >

> > > Thanks
> > >

> > > Travman

> > > Intrigue 11040
> > >
> > >

Quote from: LARRY A[/quote

HANSON"

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> >]
> > > > Egon: Since your coach is a 99, it's probably the same as > > mine.

> > > It's easiest to remove the top of the dash board and reach

down

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> > behind the bulkhead in front of the pedals. I found mine

there,

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well

> > > hidden. The cable was sufficiently long to allow it to be

lifted

Re: VMS plug

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13791
Hi Travman,

Consider doing what was suggested by another group member - remove the dash cover and look down between the barrier and the front fiberglass, it should be there along with other wiring.
Fred Kovol

My S0699 shows the front buss connector - yours should also, it's to the right of the Wabsco interface.

Re: VMS plug

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13794
Fred,

Thanks, I'll look under the dash but after looking at the print it doesn't show the connector in front of coach...to the right on my print it only shows the Allison Transmission Reader Port under dash.
Doesn't show any other connector there but I might be missing it.
My print says it covers coach numbers 110007-30465

Travman
11040

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Travman,

Consider doing what was suggested by another group member - remove

the

Quote
dash cover and look down between the barrier and the front

fiberglass,

Quote
it should be there along with other wiring.
Fred Kovol

My S0699 shows the front buss connector - yours should also, it's

to

Quote
the right of the Wabsco interface.
>

Re: VMS plug

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13797
Hi Travman,

The Allison reader port is the connector! The Engine ECM, Transmission, and Wabsco (ATC/ABS) communicate with each other via J1939 and Jxxxx(I forget the protocol number)data buss software and hardware protocol.
Fred Kovol

Quote from: travman100
Fred,

Thanks, I'll look under the dash but after looking at the print it > doesn't show the connector in front of coach...to the right on my > print it only shows the Allison Transmission Reader Port under dash.
Doesn't show any other connector there but I might be missing it.
My print says it covers coach numbers 110007-30465 >

Travman
11040

[quote author=fredkovol"

>

> Hi Travman,

> Consider doing what was suggested by another group member - remove > the

> dash cover and look down between the barrier and the front > fiberglass,

> it should be there along with other wiring.
> Fred Kovol

> My S0699 shows the front buss connector - yours should also, it's > to

> the right of the Wabsco interface.
>

>

Re: VMS plug

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13799
Fred,

The problem with the Allison connector is that it is a rectangular plug and cannot be simply plugged into Silverleaf interface, you must splice behind the connector and I wanted to use the round plug which matches up the silverleaf connector if I could. silverleaf tells me that some CC units have the round ecm plug under the dash while others do not. That is why I have been searching for the round plug and thought that I may have found it when I opened the cover on the compartment to the left of driver under the shifter controls, the blue round plug there must be some sort of manufacturers test plug. I put more pictures of it in file section under VMS. I still cannot access the Photos section it gives me an error message.

Thanks for your help.

Travman
11040

Quote from: fredkovol
Hi Travman,

The Allison reader port is the connector! > The Engine ECM, Transmission, and Wabsco (ATC/ABS) communicate

with

Quote
each other via J1939 and Jxxxx(I forget the protocol number)data

buss

Quote
software and hardware protocol.
Fred Kovol

[quote author=travman100"

>

> Fred,
>

> Thanks, I'll look under the dash but after looking at the print

it

Quote
doesn't show the connector in front of coach...to the right on

my

Quote
print it only shows the Allison Transmission Reader Port under

dash.

Quote
Doesn't show any other connector there but I might be missing it.
> My print says it covers coach numbers 110007-30465 > >

> Travman
> 11040
>

[quote author=fredkovol"
>]
> >

> > Hi Travman,

> > Consider doing what was suggested by another group member -

remove

Quote
the

> > dash cover and look down between the barrier and the front > > fiberglass,

> > it should be there along with other wiring.
> > Fred Kovol

> > My S0699 shows the front buss connector - yours should also,

it's

Quote
to

> > the right of the Wabsco interface.
> >

> >

VMS Plug

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13795
Leon: Have you called Silverleaf? They were very helpful in directing me to the proper plug. They couldn't tell me where to find it, but they know what the plug looks like.

Larry
Intrigue
10762

Re: VMS Plug

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13798
I called Silverleaf and they told me to splice wires into the Allison plug and wire in behind the connector, their site shows that but I would rather not have to do that if I can find an existing plug to just plug into.

Quote from: LARRY A HANSON
> Leon: Have you called Silverleaf? They were very helpful in
directing me to the proper plug. They couldn't tell me where to find it, but they know what the plug looks like.