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Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Yahoo Message Number: 14099
I have talked to several CC owners who have had the problem and have reviewed some of the messages previously posted on this subject. Can anyone tell me what specific coaches are affected by this or in the alternative how I can tell if I have a problem with this by looking at my coach. There is no obvious corrosion, rust or paint bubbles around the slideout frames.

Thanks:

Don & Janet Scott
02 Allure #30833

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14100
Hi Don & Janet

It seems you are very fortunate. The electrolysis problem will show what looks like bubbles in the paint on the aluminum trim around the slides. If you break a bubble it will be full of white powder.
(It's the oxidized aluminum)

I was told that about 30% of the coaches have the problem to some extent and Country Coach is not alone in the industry. Some of the older rigs had it on the entry doors. CCI now uses glue or cement to attach the trim so there is no metal-to-metal contact. Hopefully the problem is solved on the new ones.

Good luck
Andy

The truth about our gas prices.

Why are we low on oil? Simple - we forgot to check it.
Our oil is in Alaska, Oklahoma and Texas.
OUR DIPSTICKS ARE IN WASHINGTON.
{Stolen from some other forum}

DW6000 / Satmex5 / Xpndr 1070 / linksys befw11s4 2002 36' Allure #30787 / 2000 Subaru Forester

Quote from: Don & Janet Scott
> I have talked to several CC owners who have had the problem and
have reviewed some of the messages previously posted on this subject. Can anyone tell me what specific coaches are affected by this or in the alternative how I can tell if I have a problem with this by looking at my coach. There is no obvious corrosion, rust or paint bubbles around the slideout frames.

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14104
Don & Janet;

We had the electrolysis on our '02 Magna, #6159, built in Feb, '02.
First identified during annual visit to CC Service, Aug '03.
Scheduled repair for '04 annual visit, again in Aug. Electrolysis was only on rear slide. CC comment was that electrolysis seemed more prevalent in coaches used in wetter environments.

This was invalidated the following week when we looked at a friend's '02 Magna and he also had electrolysis on his rear slide frame. His coach is stored in the CA desert, and has not been east of the Rockies. While under repair, another '03 Magna arrived, and upon inspection, it also had electrolysis on the rear slide.

There was a queue for the repair, with about five coaches in it.
The coach in front of us was a '02 Allure from Florida. They had quite a bit of electrolysis on both slides. Lazydays sent them to CC, as the electrolysis was too extensive for them to repair.
During our visit in Nov for the engine cooling system fix on our '05, some friends with a '01 Intrigue arrived for the electrolysis repair on their galley slide.
So, my input would be that the problem is pervasive, and seems to be effecting many '01-'02-'03 coaches. CC changed framing sometime in '04 model year, but it is just about impossible to tell, as the metal frame looks the same.

Good Luck!

Sawbuck

'05 Magna #6419

Quote from: Don & Janet Scott
> I have talked to several CC owners who have had the problem and
have reviewed some of the messages previously posted on this subject. Can anyone tell me what specific coaches are affected by this or in the alternative how I can tell if I have a problem with this by looking at my coach. There is no obvious corrosion, rust or paint bubbles around the slideout frames.

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14129
I have electrolysis on both LR and BR slides on my 2003 Allure.
Since I am the third owner and warrantee has expired, CC says Im on my own. A few weeks ago I sent them an email asking if they have any written repair instructions available, but no answer yet. I realize the slides will have to come out and not apposed to giving it a shot on my own. Just would like some type of technical guidance. If anyone is familiar with the procedure to fix the electrolysis, I would appreciate any information you can provide.
Thanks

Larry, 2003 36' Allure #30856

Quote from: Andy Ring
Hi Don & Janet

It seems you are very fortunate. The electrolysis problem will

show

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what looks like bubbles in the paint on the aluminum trim around

the

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slides. If you break a bubble it will be full of white powder.
(It's the oxidized aluminum)

I was told that about 30% of the coaches have the problem to some > extent and Country Coach is not alone in the industry. Some of

the

Quote
older rigs had it on the entry doors. CCI now uses glue or cement

to

Quote
attach the trim so there is no metal-to-metal contact. Hopefully

the

Quote
problem is solved on the new ones.

Good luck

Andy

The truth about our gas prices.

Why are we low on oil? Simple - we forgot to check it.
Our oil is in Alaska, Oklahoma and Texas.
OUR DIPSTICKS ARE IN WASHINGTON.
 {Stolen from some other forum} >

DW6000 / Satmex5 / Xpndr 1070 / linksys befw11s4 > 2002 36' Allure #30787 / 2000 Subaru Forester >

[quote author=Don & Janet Scott"

> I have talked to several CC owners who have had the problem and > have reviewed some of the messages previously posted on this > subject. Can anyone tell me what specific coaches are affected by > this or in the alternative how I can tell if I have a problem with > this by looking at my coach. There is no obvious corrosion, rust

or

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14133
Surprisingly, there are Coaches out there without electrolysis problems.

A fellow I knew, he stored his 1999 Intrigue 36' galley slide at the same inside storage place as I did, had no electrolysis on the door or the frame around the slide. He is on the road about 6 months every year and in storage during the winter months on Florida. He just moved recently moved from Florida to Tennessee. He said when he leveled the coach, he leveled the front of his coach "high" so the water from the AC unit didnt drain down the door or the slideout. He was not aware of any electrolysis problem with CC's until I told him about it a year ago.

I purchased a 2000 Allure 40' galley slide in September 2003, it had severe electrolysis on front door. As part of the purchase, Lazy Days reskinned the front door with the new door kit from country coach. I did notice that the way the coach was setup to level itself the water from the roof AC ran down the front door. I manually changed the level to keep the door side high. As for the slide out frame, there wasnt any electrolysis on it, but I did see it on other CC's that Lazy Days had on the lot.

Question, since the electrolysis on the slide out frame is very small little "bumps" of aluminum oxide under the paint and not nearly as severe as the paint bubbling on the door, how long does it take before this becomes more than just a cosmetic issue on the slideout frame? Is it possible to just periodically sanding this down and use some kind of primer to slowdown the electrolysis and then touch this up to match? Just a thought. The door problem is too severe and too large a surface to even consider this as an option ( just my 2 cents).

Thanks in advance. Bob.

Quote from: Don & Janet Scott
> I have talked to several CC owners who have had the problem and
have reviewed some of the messages previously posted on this subject. Can anyone tell me what specific coaches are affected by this or in the alternative how I can tell if I have a problem with this by looking at my coach. There is no obvious corrosion, rust or paint bubbles around the slideout frames.

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14135
Would using the plastic gutters over the door prevent the electrolysis?

Carol

, it had

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severe electrolysis on front door. As part of the purchase, Lazy

Days

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reskinned the front door with the new door kit from country coach.

I

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did notice that the way the coach was setup to level itself the

water

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14136
Carol,

I don't think so.

My '99 Allure has the electrolysis on the door and water has never run down it while it was parked. You are going to get water on the door when it rains. I guess the only way to prevent it is to park it inside and don' drive it when it rains and hope that when you are driving it that it does not rain.

Electrolysis--caused by a combination of moisture, aluminum and steel. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Egon

'99 Allure #30321
'02 Tahoe Z71

- In Country-Coach-Owners@yahoogroups.com, "jennylindca" wrote:

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>

Would using the plastic gutters over the door prevent the > electrolysis?

Carol

, it had

> severe electrolysis on front door. As part of the purchase, Lazy > Days

> reskinned the front door with the new door kit from country

coach.

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I

> did notice that the way the coach was setup to level itself the > water

> from the roof AC ran down the front door. I manually changed the > > level to keep the door side high. As for the slide out frame,

there

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wasnt any electrolysis on it, but I did see it on other CC's

that

Re: Electrolysis on Slideout Frames-02 Allure

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 14137
The 2000 Allure also had the problem with the entry doors. My maintenance records reflect that the original owner of my coach had door re-skinned at CC to repair the problem. No problem so far with the slide.

Is the problem electrolysis or galvanic corrosion? Has anyone ever asked CC? Without getting into a chemistry lesson, electrolysis can involve only one metal and a major change occurring in an electrolyte, that being a liquid with chemical properties that make it capable of conducting an electrical current. In this case, water and whatever else it may contain suspended in it.

Galvanic corrosion needs at least two dissimilar metals, an electrical current and moisture to occur. The moisture can come from anywhere. It can even be the moisture we generate ourselves by just being in and using the coach. The electrical current is most often created by the fact of dissimilar metals are in contact with each other through an electrolyte. However, any stray current through structural components can also accelerate the process. This is usually due to poor bonding or common grounds.

In a motor coach, if it is galvantic corrosion, the primary problem areas are where aluminum and steel come in to contact with each other. The aluminum becomes the anode and the steel the cathode.
Just like in some water heaters using an anode rod, the rod made of zinc becomes the sacrificial metal.
I have noticed on my coach the outline of the steel framework of the coach on a heavy dew morning here in Florida. The framework outline shows up on the exterior surface when there is a significant temperature difference between the inside and outside. I often wonder if the sides are constructed with an aluminum skin on the steel framework under the fiberglass exterior. If so, I wonder if CC uses an isolator material between mating contact surfaces. I know in the areospace industry, something as simple as tape or chaulking/sealant compound would go along way in isolating the two metals and controlling corrosion.

One day I will have to make a trip to the factory to see for myself how the coaches are built.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: sawbuck203
Don & Janet;

We had the electrolysis on our '02 Magna, #6159, built in

Feb, '02.

Quote
First identified during annual visit to CC Service, Aug '03.
Scheduled repair for '04 annual visit, again in Aug. Electrolysis > was only on rear slide. CC comment was that electrolysis seemed > more prevalent in coaches used in wetter environments.

This was invalidated the following week when we looked at a > friend's '02 Magna and he also had electrolysis on his rear slide > frame. His coach is stored in the CA desert, and has not been

east

Quote
of the Rockies. While under repair, another '03 Magna arrived,

and

Quote
upon inspection, it also had electrolysis on the rear slide.

There was a queue for the repair, with about five coaches in it.
The coach in front of us was a '02 Allure from Florida. They had > quite a bit of electrolysis on both slides. Lazydays sent them to > CC, as the electrolysis was too extensive for them to repair.
During our visit in Nov for the engine cooling system fix on > our '05, some friends with a '01 Intrigue arrived for the > electrolysis repair on their galley slide.

So, my input would be that the problem is pervasive, and seems to

be

Quote
effecting many '01-'02-'03 coaches. CC changed framing sometime > in '04 model year, but it is just about impossible to tell, as the > metal frame looks the same.

Good Luck!

Sawbuck

'05 Magna #6419

[quote author=Don & Janet Scott"

> I have talked to several CC owners who have had the problem and > have reviewed some of the messages previously posted on this > subject. Can anyone tell me what specific coaches are affected by > this or in the alternative how I can tell if I have a problem with > this by looking at my coach. There is no obvious corrosion, rust

or