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Air pressure question

Yahoo Message Number: 14988
To all online experts.

I noticed the other day that my air pressure was all the way down to zero. The coach had been sitting for about three weeks. Drove it awhile (after building up pressure to 125) and two days later it is only down to 90psi. Therefore, I assume the system has presssure integrity.I was under the impression that a check valve shut off the reservoir somewhere between 40-65 and that it would go no lower. Any thoughts?

Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

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Yahoo Message Number: 14989
Lyle:

This may not be applicable to you, but I experienced a similar incident.
While mine did not drop to zero, the air pressure did seem to be lower than it normally would have been after sitting for a couple of weeks. What caused this lower than normal drop was the fact that I had raised the tag prior to maneuvering into a space. Once I was in position, I applied the brake and shut the engine off and, of course, the tag came down. Hence, the shut down air pressure was significantly lower than it would have been had I dropped the tag and waited for the air pressure to build before shutting down. I attribute the lower than usual air pressure to the fact that raising and lowering the tag and using the brakes, the normal air pressure attrition started at a lower psi than it would have had I waited to top it off.

Chuck

03 Intrigue 11673

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Yahoo Message Number: 14990
Lyle,

If you have an air leak in the system the leak will continue until all air pressure is lost. What happens when your air pressure drops to a certain point, usually between 30 to 40 psi....and that varies with each coach, is that your emergency braking system will apply using the s-cam brake .....or lock up.....that is a safety feature designed into air systems, but the air leak(s) will continue to allow air to escape until all air is gone. Once you fire up the coach and recharge the system, the emergency braking system will then be operational and when you release your using the yellow knob, the brakes of course will release.
An air leak that takes two days to allow all of the air to escape is not uncommon and probably doesn't constitute and emergency situation but it would be best to determine where the air is escaping and get it repaired.

Bill

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Yahoo Message Number: 14991
Hi Lyle,

This issue has been visited from time to time.
If the pressure drop is greater than 5 psi per hour - consider looking for the source of the leak. Fittings have been the problem in the past. Soapy water works well. Get out the pneumatic foldout (22x96 inches)to get famaliar with the air system.
Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

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Yahoo Message Number: 14997
This was from an article by Brian Keys on the CC staff re: air brakes
"In many conversations, some very experienced coach owners feel they have terrible air system leaks if they lose any air on the dash- mounted air pressure gauge overnight. This is an unnecessary concern since all air systems use air and a small loss is expected and normal. The Department of Transportation states that a two-pound loss of air per minute with the engine not running is within normal specifications.

With a Country Coach, it is also normal to require up to five minutes for your air system to be refilled if your coach has been stationary for a period of time or if the air suspension has had the air dumped during the leveling process. This refilling procedure is best accomplished by running the engine at high idle for approximately five minutes with your air leveling system in the travel mode. Even though your travel light comes on when you turn off your HWH leveling control, this does not mean your air system is refilled and is ready to travel.

The proper way to ensure the air brakes and complete air system have refilled and are ready for operation is to observe the air pressure gauge on the dash and be sure it reads in the 100-120 P.S.I. range.
For your clarification, the 90 to 125 pounds range mentioned previously is the operating range of the engine mounted air compressor. During coach operation the air pressure gauge will be in the 100 to 125 range on the gauge in the dash. "

Hope this helps answer your questions...

Jan McNeill

2001 Intrigue 11320

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Yahoo Message Number: 15000
Hi Jan,

Please see previous threads on this subject. Two psi / hour not minute is, as I can remember, maybe be the federal limit.
Fred Kovol

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Yahoo Message Number: 15001
Chuck,

You should always drop the tag before you stop the coach. This gives the coach time to load on to the tag. Droping the tag after you shut off the engine puts more of a load on your main drive axle. I found that out two weeks ago at FMCA in Brooksville, Fl.
I had our 05 Magna weighed on a six point scale and I forgot to drop the tag until I got to the weighing area then I had to drop the tag and move the coach foreard twice to get a proper weigh. The people doing the weighing had to keep moving the scales as I moved because the main axle was showing up to heavy. When the tag was finally loaded our weights were close to what they were 6 months ago.

Bill G. 2005 Magna #6425.

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Yahoo Message Number: 15002
When I took a Class-B license test (Nevada), I recall that a maximum drop 2 psi/min is allowed when the brakes are engaged. In case the air also serves a trailer (or other tow), the allowable maximum drop is 3 psi/min.

Maybe that's where the 2 psi/min comes from.

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Yahoo Message Number: 15008
Bill:

Thanks for the information regarding the tag. After doing it a couple of times, I suspected something like you described. Now that you have confirmed the need for the coach to be moved with the tag down prior to shutting down, that's what I'll do.

Chuck

03 Intrigue 11673

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Yahoo Message Number: 15011
A little of the grandkid's bubble blowing stuff, mixed about 5 to 1 with water works really well....air leaks blow REALLY big bubbles....

Ray and Rue
Allure 31176

Question

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Yahoo Message Number: 14992
We have an 04 Allure . When it is parked can you let all the air out of the airbags, so it is low to the ground and then level it? We haven't been successful in doing this and am thinking that we are going to have to purchase a step to get up on the steps! Thanks, the Livelys

Also we haven't seen or heard anything about C.C. rallys. Where do we look. Needless to say we are new at this group thing and have really enjoyed it.

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Yahoo Message Number: 14995
I have an '04 Allure also. On a relatively level site I release the air from the suspension before I level. There is another step however. Here is what I suggest you try.

1. Turn on the HWH leveling system
2. Push the lower all button
3. WHen down push the button to turn the system off
4. Turn the system back on again
5. Push the button to auto level......now it should work

In other words....the system will not go from purge all to level. It must be turned off after the purge and before the level.

Let us know how it works for you.

In order to get info on Rallys, go to the CCI(CountryCoach International) section of countrycoach.com. I also suggest that you join CCI.

George '04 Allure 31038
George in Birmingham
2003 Magna 6298

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Yahoo Message Number: 14996
You're going to have to get some steps no matter what. Frequently enough you'll find that your front end is way up in the air to level the coach. We have ones we bought from Camping Word which work well.
(the more expensive ones.)

Go to the Country Coach website (www.countrycoach.com) which has rally info too. They even have articles from Destinations that you might have missed and would like to read.

Welcome to a VERY informative site! Jan McNeill

2001 Intrigue 11320

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Yahoo Message Number: 14998
At Home comming and FMCA rallys HWH recommends you level starting with all your bags empty to get the firmest results, reducing sway, and the geatest travel for uneven terain.
TWI 2004 Intrigue 11731 42'.

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Yahoo Message Number: 15018
Quote
You're going to have to get some steps no matter what. Frequently enough you'll find that your front end is way up in the air to level the coach. We have ones we bought from Camping Word which work well.  (the more expensive ones.)
We us an adjustable height plastic exercise step. It's very stable and lightweight. And can be used for its original purpose, too!

FWIW ... I always see them at yard/tag/garage sales. Cheap.

Dick (& Geri) Campagna (in Key West) '98 36' Intrigue #10571
Mfd: 11/97

Question

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Yahoo Message Number: 15129
From the Livelys, owner of an 04 Allure. We hear people referring to HomeComing last year. What is homecoming? Members since Jan. of 05

By the way, we really enjoy this web-site, thanks to everyone that participates.

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Yahoo Message Number: 15144
I believe that people are using Homecoming to refer to the Class Reunion...the annual Country Coach International rally held at the Lane County Fairgrounds in Eugene, OR. This year it will be September 14 - 18. If you aren't a memeber of CCI, you can join at:
Club Connection | Winnebago - Country Coach
Hope to see you there.

Carol

Question

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Yahoo Message Number: 15936
I had a question some time ago about how to de-activate what makes the tv go off when the ignition key is turned on. I received several answers for that, thank you. Now my question is how to get the tv out . Those with a projection screen probably have the same type of tv we have. It is in the middle of the upper cabinets. We took the trim off and then another part. But could not figure out how to get it loose. It's as if it is hooked by something else. Any help would be appreciated.
John and Pat Lively 04 Allure#31022

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Yahoo Message Number: 15937
John: My CC is an old Girl, (99) but I assume they are still using the same methods. After removing the trim, it's likely they used hook-loop (Velcro) strips on the bottom. Most electronics are held to the cabinets using this method.
If you use some pressure to lift the set up, you will probably see them. I have used a long tool, such as a spatula to get between the strips because they sometimes hang on tight enough to crack the plastic housing. In come cases, they use wire ties also. I haven't seen any other methods used.
Here's another "gee-whiz" thing to consider: If you plan to travel with the set working, such as toting Grandkids around, or the wife insisting on watching Opra or Dr. Phil, you might consider wireless headsets.
I have them in my Intrigue for the Grandkids. Radio Shack sells a low-end set and there are some hi-tech ones out there now. Just install the hardware while you are rewiring the power source. Mute the TV and use the headsets for audio. The driver isn't tempted to sneak a glance and if it's Barney Tele-Tubies, you won't be bored stiff.

Larry
Intrigue
10762

Question

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Yahoo Message Number: 80747
For those of you and Dallas Evans, that have installed a Samsung refrigerator in your coach how did you secure the doors while traveling?

Walt

2004 Inspire

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Yahoo Message Number: 80748
Go down to the hardware store ACE or whatever and get some baby door locks, little plastic things that have two stick on knobs one for each door and a connector link that pushes on each knob.

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Yahoo Message Number: 80749
Hello Walt

We have an RF 197 and secure the fridge doors with a simple velcro strap wrapped around both handles. The freezer door is secured with a Sugatsune latch http://www.homeclick.com/sugatsune-hc-85-s-sliding-door-latch/p-332141.aspx. I put the strike plate on the cabinet next to the freezer door and the moving latch portion on the side of the freezer door itself- works great.

Brad Burgess
UTB 08 Intrigue

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Yahoo Message Number: 80750
Velcro straps. Wrap 1 or 2 around the fridge handles and install some hooks so you can run one across the freezer drawer. Send me an e-mail address and I'll send you some pictures.

Get some "non-skid" shelf liner for the shelfs.

Jim 07 Allure #31570

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Yahoo Message Number: 80751
Quote from: Bradley Burgess
Hello Walt
We have an RF 197 and secure the fridge doors with a simple velcro strap wrapped around both handles. The freezer door is secured with a Sugatsune latch http://www.homeclick.com/sugatsune-hc-85-s-sliding-door-latch/p-332141.aspx. I put the strike plate on the cabinet next to the freezer door and the moving latch portion on the side of the freezer door itself- works great.

Brad Burgess
UTB 08 Intrigue
OOPS - left a "period" in the link - try http://www.homeclick.com/sugatsune-hc-85-s-sliding-door-latch/p-332141.aspx
Brad Burgess

parking surface

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Yahoo Message Number: 80780
A search of the memory bank between my ears reveals only a vague answer to my question: What protection is recommended for the surface under the tires of a parked RV? I seem to remember that most surfaces can cause deterioration, probably due to moisture.
I plan to build a shelter alongside our house and it might be awhile before I can install the concrete floor. Does anything need to be put between the concrete and the rubber? What about between the ground and the rubber? I'm probably hypersensitive, but that's because I just spent the kids' entire inheritance on new tires.
Jim Biestek
'04 Intrigue
11783