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NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Yahoo Message Number: 15510
It would be nice if some of the more popular Navigation Systems were on display at vendor booths during the CC reunion.
After trying Co Pilot with mixed results I would really like to see a thorough demonstration of the competing products before spending any more money on navigation tools.
We will be at the Redmond FMCA (walk ins). Does anyone know if Garmin, etc. will be there?
Failing that, maybe someone at the CC reunion will be willing to show their own systems to interested members.

David & Karen

2000 Intrigue 11062
40 ft Single slide. PT
2002 Odyssey TOAD

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15511
David and Karen, there was a couple at Indio with a trailer displaying the Garmin products. Also Frys Electronics carries both. I am sure they would demo both. Have you checked Good Guys or Circuit City or GI Joes? Good Luck, Dale and Candace 05 Affinity 6370

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Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15513
We have the in-dash Pioneer DVD-based system installed in the Magna. It does okay, but has had some position difficulties in both West Texas and Eastern Arizona, when routed on I-10. It's database is quite extensive, and can be easily accessed by multiple methods.
I like the ease of typing in a RV Park's phone number and getting multiple routings. The GPS is only two dimensional, lacking an altitude output. The inertial navigation, backed up by the GPS, results in an "always on track" capability.

I also use Delorme's Street Atlas 2005 in our Dell notebook, along with Delorme's EarthMate GPS receiver on a USB connection. It sits on the dash and provides a better display and more information, like elevation. It allows trip planning away from the driver's seat, and I have files from all of our travels from 2002 on. Street Atlas allows construction of individual draw layers - I have one locating RV Parks where we stay. Also, you can make custom map tags, allowing personalized annotation. Lastly, I can output printed directions/maps for my spouse...

I miss the 120vAC recepticle up front, as we had in our previous Mag, but other than that I prefer the PC solution.

Sawbuck203

'05 Magna #6419

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Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15514
Don and I will be in Moultrie and we'll be happy to show you our Garmin 2610 anytime. We will be walking a big dog, Belgian Tervuren. Just look for us.

Linda and Don
Intrigue 10678

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15517
We like the Pioneer in our 05 Intrigue LE but...... it has a problem giving good directions (for a 40 ft coach) It takes us down the shortest route which is many times through downtown (off the main highways) In other words it would be much better if the Pioneer GPS would follow truck routes not down the city streets.
Our CoPilot software on our lap top routes much better and keeps us off the city streets. It also will find Diesel Fuel, while the Pioneer will not. The 2 main problems with the CoPilot is the lack of a good voice direction prompt, which sounds like a computer when it talks and the data inpute leaves a bit to be desired.

Russ and Jean

05 Intrigue LE 11883

Quote from: sawbuck203
We have the in-dash Pioneer DVD-based system installed in the > Magna. It does okay, but has had some position difficulties in

both

Quote
West Texas and Eastern Arizona, when routed on I-10. It's database > is quite extensive, and can be easily accessed by multiple

methods.

Quote
I like the ease of typing in a RV Park's phone number and getting > multiple routings. The GPS is only two dimensional, lacking an > altitude output. The inertial navigation, backed up by the GPS, > results in an "always on track" capability.

I also use Delorme's Street Atlas 2005 in our Dell notebook, along > with Delorme's EarthMate GPS receiver on a USB connection. It sits > on the dash and provides a better display and more information,

like

Quote
elevation. It allows trip planning away from the driver's seat,

and

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15522
Best Buys sells Magellan's (and maybe Garmin). The interesting thing about Best Buy is their 3 or 4 year extended warranty (which I would normally not buy). But their extended warranty is apparently priced for the less expensive units -- making it very cheap for a Magellan 700 whose hard disk is bouncing around on the dash or window mount!!
Herb

Allure 2002 #30690

Quote from: Candace and Dale\[br\
Hollick]

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15580
Which version of Copilot do you use that shows diesel stops? I have the Laptop 8 version and am disappointed in the lack of detail available on the POI's and the non display of them in the Canada database. In particular, finding diesel fuel at a truck stop.
Small gas stations are a bit too tight to manuever in with almost 65 ft of vehicle and towed.

I have DeLorme SA 2005, MS Streets and Trips and use a Garmin GPSIII as well as the new Copilot GPS receiver.

The Copilot GPS receiver is slower at acquiring the sats than the Garmin. I like the live position feature that Copilot has to send and receive GPS position reports and short messages with an internet connection. Of course many of us do not have a constant internet connecting while in motion. So this feature is really useless to me since I use ham radio to interface internet and GPS navigation data while I am in a fixed location as well as in motion.

Delorme has some great features but has had problems with sub contractors in providing POI databases. SA2005 has less POI detail than earlier versions because of it. I have been using Delorme SA since version 5. I like the capability to be able to edit maps, add notes and flags as well as build layers of data to be displayed.
Seems like when Delorme is doing a new release, there is always something they are taking out or changing for the worse. their advertizing leads you to believe that you are getting what you currently have plus the new added features. They never tell you what they are taking out.

MS S&T has some great detail, especially in Canada. However, the ease of setting up routing and adding your own layers of information in either very cumbersome or non-existant.

All in all they each have their own good and bad features.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: dosgoldens
We like the Pioneer in our 05 Intrigue LE but......

it has a problem giving good directions (for a 40 ft coach) It

takes

Quote
us down the shortest route which is many times through downtown

(off

Quote
the main highways) In other words it would be much better if the > Pioneer GPS would follow truck routes not down the city streets.
Our CoPilot software on our lap top routes much better and keeps

us

Quote
off the city streets. It also will find Diesel Fuel, while the > Pioneer will not. The 2 main problems with the CoPilot is the lack

of

Quote
a good voice direction prompt, which sounds like a computer when

it

Quote
talks and the data inpute leaves a bit to be desired.

Russ and Jean

05 Intrigue LE 11883

[quote author=sawbuck203"

>

> We have the in-dash Pioneer DVD-based system installed in the > > Magna. It does okay, but has had some position difficulties in > both

> West Texas and Eastern Arizona, when routed on I-10. It's

database

Quote
is quite extensive, and can be easily accessed by multiple > methods.

> I like the ease of typing in a RV Park's phone number and

getting

Quote
multiple routings. The GPS is only two dimensional, lacking an > > altitude output. The inertial navigation, backed up by the GPS, > > results in an "always on track" capability.
>

> I also use Delorme's Street Atlas 2005 in our Dell notebook,

along

Quote
with Delorme's EarthMate GPS receiver on a USB connection. It

sits

Quote
on the dash and provides a better display and more information, > like

> elevation. It allows trip planning away from the driver's seat, > and

> I have files from all of our travels from 2002 on. Street Atlas > > allows construction of individual draw layers - I have one

locating

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15581
Jim, we use the CoPilot 7.0 on Fujitsu Lifebook laptop. If it is setup right, it will show where the Diesel Stops are (at least in the USA). Works well.. but I agree it doesn't tell us if the fuel stop will handle our 65 feet of equiptment.

Our Factory GPS system, from Pioneer is much more fun to use and being guided to a destination with a "sweet female voice" is really cool. Even Jean, my better half likes it. They just need to upgrade the system to take account of our 65 ft of traveling home.

Russ and Jean
05 Intrigue LE
11883

ccomidate

Quote from: Jim Hughes
Which version of Copilot do you use that shows diesel stops? I

have

Quote
the Laptop 8 version and am disappointed in the lack of detail > available on the POI's and the non display of them in the Canada > database. In particular, finding diesel fuel at a truck stop.
Small gas stations are a bit too tight to manuever in with almost

65

Quote
ft of vehicle and towed.

I have DeLorme SA 2005, MS Streets and Trips and use a Garmin

GPSIII

Quote
as well as the new Copilot GPS receiver.

The Copilot GPS receiver is slower at acquiring the sats than the > Garmin. I like the live position feature that Copilot has to send > and receive GPS position reports and short messages with an

internet

Quote
connection. Of course many of us do not have a constant internet > connecting while in motion. So this feature is really useless to

me

Quote
since I use ham radio to interface internet and GPS navigation data > while I am in a fixed location as well as in motion.

Delorme has some great features but has had problems with sub > contractors in providing POI databases. SA2005 has less POI detail > than earlier versions because of it. I have been using Delorme SA > since version 5. I like the capability to be able to edit maps,

add

Quote
notes and flags as well as build layers of data to be displayed.
Seems like when Delorme is doing a new release, there is always > something they are taking out or changing for the worse. their > advertizing leads you to believe that you are getting what you > currently have plus the new added features. They never tell you > what they are taking out.

MS S&T has some great detail, especially in Canada. However, the > ease of setting up routing and adding your own layers of

information

Quote
in either very cumbersome or non-existant.

All in all they each have their own good and bad features.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

[quote author=dosgoldens"

>

> We like the Pioneer in our 05 Intrigue LE but......
> it has a problem giving good directions (for a 40 ft coach) It > takes

> us down the shortest route which is many times through downtown > (off

> the main highways) In other words it would be much better if the > > Pioneer GPS would follow truck routes not down the city streets.
> Our CoPilot software on our lap top routes much better and keeps > us

> off the city streets. It also will find Diesel Fuel, while the > > Pioneer will not. The 2 main problems with the CoPilot is the

lack

Quote
of

> a good voice direction prompt, which sounds like a computer when > it

> talks and the data inpute leaves a bit to be desired.
>

> Russ and Jean

> 05 Intrigue LE 11883
>
>

[quote author=sawbuck203"
>]
> >

> > We have the in-dash Pioneer DVD-based system installed in the > > > Magna. It does okay, but has had some position difficulties in > > both

> > West Texas and Eastern Arizona, when routed on I-10. It's > database

> > is quite extensive, and can be easily accessed by multiple > > methods.

> > I like the ease of typing in a RV Park's phone number and > getting

> > multiple routings. The GPS is only two dimensional, lacking an > > > altitude output. The inertial navigation, backed up by the

GPS,

Quote
> results in an "always on track" capability.
> >

> > I also use Delorme's Street Atlas 2005 in our Dell notebook, > along

> > with Delorme's EarthMate GPS receiver on a USB connection. It > sits

> > on the dash and provides a better display and more information, > > like

> > elevation. It allows trip planning away from the driver's

seat,

Quote
and

> > I have files from all of our travels from 2002 on. Street

Atlas

Quote
> allows construction of individual draw layers - I have one > locating

> > RV Parks where we stay. Also, you can make custom map tags, > > > allowing personalized annotation. Lastly, I can output printed > > > directions/maps for my spouse...
> >

> > I miss the 120vAC recepticle up front, as we had in our

previous

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15587
Am I missing something? We use a Next Exit book plus a WalMart Atlas plus Campground Directory to navigate and find everything we need while traveling.

Bruce Ashley

--- Jim Hughes kc4fws@...> wrote:

Quote
>

Which version of Copilot do you use that shows
diesel stops? I have

the Laptop 8 version and am disappointed in the lack
of detail

available on the POI's and the non display of them
in the Canada

database. In particular, finding diesel fuel at a
truck stop.

Small gas stations are a bit too tight to manuever
in with almost 65

ft of vehicle and towed.

I have DeLorme SA 2005, MS Streets and Trips and use
a Garmin GPSIII

as well as the new Copilot GPS receiver.

The Copilot GPS receiver is slower at acquiring the
sats than the

Garmin. I like the live position feature that
Copilot has to send

and receive GPS position reports and short messages
with an internet

connection. Of course many of us do not have a
constant internet

connecting while in motion. So this feature is
really useless to me

since I use ham radio to interface internet and GPS
navigation data

while I am in a fixed location as well as in motion.

Delorme has some great features but has had problems
with sub

contractors in providing POI databases. SA2005 has
less POI detail

than earlier versions because of it. I have been
using Delorme SA

since version 5. I like the capability to be able
to edit maps, add

notes and flags as well as build layers of data to
be displayed.

Seems like when Delorme is doing a new release,
there is always

something they are taking out or changing for the
worse. their

advertizing leads you to believe that you are
getting what you

currently have plus the new added features. They
never tell you

what they are taking out.

MS S&T has some great detail, especially in Canada.
However, the

ease of setting up routing and adding your own
layers of information

in either very cumbersome or non-existant.

All in all they each have their own good and bad
features.

Jim Hughes

2000 Allure #30511

> -

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15589
Bruce,

If you've never used a good gps system you are not missing anything. If you use a good gps system for a short period you'll never go back. I only use a map for trip planning & never worry about being lost. It is kinda like once you have diesel it would be hard to go back to gas.

Just my experience.........
Steve

Intrigue #10673

Quote from: Bruce Ashley\[br\
]

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15695
In my 2005 Inspire I use an Alpine system with voice navigation.
Not only it finds the stations but gives me direction just by entering a phone number or station type. I have the navigation unit hooked up to a motorized display.

Richard Krumbein
Inspire 2005

Quote from: rheavn
Bruce,

If you've never used a good gps system you are not missing > anything. If you use a good gps system for a short period you'll > never go back. I only use a map for trip planning & never worry

about

Quote
being lost. It is kinda like once you have diesel it would be

hard to

Re: NAVIGATION SYSTEMS

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 15696
In my 2005 Inspire I use an Alpine system with voice navigation.
Not only it finds the stations but gives me direction just by entering a phone number or station type. I have the navigation unit hooked up to a motorized display.

Richard Krumbein
Inspire 2005

Quote from: rheavn
Bruce,

If you've never used a good gps system you are not missing > anything. If you use a good gps system for a short period you'll > never go back. I only use a map for trip planning & never worry

about

Quote
being lost. It is kinda like once you have diesel it would be

hard to