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] > Wow Fred thanks and it's going to take me awhile to digest your > information so no quick answers. I agree a complex system but not > really brain surgery insofar as Class 8 trucks have been using this

for years. Not so much in the area of HWH leveling but in the rest

the systems. Have you looked at the Ridewell site? I don't even

if you use Ridewell components on your rig but if you do you might

this interesting. They are and have been for many years vendors to

heavy truck industry.
Again thanks

Ron 98 Allure 30185

fredkovol wrote:

> Hi Ron,

> The pneumatic system is probably the most complex system in our > > coaches. Think of what it does - braking, and stationary & travel > > leveling. To understand the complexity of leveling, one most

the plumbing side found in schematic D19553 Pneumatic Systems and

electonic side found in the HWH mamual M191.1015. The first

comes from CCI and you must have the correct revision (mine was a > > transition year and needs two different revisions to reflect my > > configuration), the second can be downloaded from the HWH web

For leveling, the ride control valve, 6 valve air manifold and air

are the plumbing side which gets its air from the primary air

which also feeds the pac brake solenoid. The electronic & air

is covered in the HWH troubleshooting, repairs and diagrams manual

sure you have the right manual number as the number I gave above

for my coach - get this on the HWH web side). I suspect when

valves are not functioning properly, it's a mounting issue. My > > approach to this is to get photos of a serial number coach close

mine for comparison. Consider conducting further testing whereby

coach is tilted up and down from front to back and side to side in > > singular and compound configurations to verity that the extended > > travel of the coach body does not cause the control arm to fail.

other words, the control arm should have more travel capability

the coach can be tilted. There are at least 8 tilt configurations

fully exercise the height valve/arm assembly, but 4 may get you a > > quick answer.
> Fred Kovol

> 2000 Allure 30593
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I'm interested in starting a discussion on suspension issues. Looking > for any information and conversation on the air suspension and auto > leveling systems. I have a 98 allure and I have had quite a bit of > trouble with the rear suspension. The travel light comes on but then > goes off and a corresponding red light comes on. Red light stays on

maybe 15 seconds then the green light comes on again. Coach seems

Ron Schonscheck,

Your coach and mine ('98 Intrigue) were manufactured with two > height control valves in front & one in the rear. In '99 a recall > reconfigured the valves to one in front & two in the rear. (snip)

Thanks Steve for the info. Just came back from a weekend jaunt, not > long, about 300 miles pulling my car trailer and everything seemed to > work correctly. I have the specs. for the ride height, 7.5" front and > 8.0" in rear. My problem is getting under the coach to do this work.
How do you do it?
Ron 98 Allure 30185

rheavn wrote:

> Ron Schonscheck,

> Your coach and mine ('98 Intrigue) were manufactured with two > > height control valves in front & one in the rear. In '99 a recall > > reconfigured the valves to one in front & two in the rear. On mine > > the dealer that performed the recall plumbed the right rear air bag to > > the left control valve and the left rear air bag to the right control > > valve. The way I caught this was I did a plumbing diagram & compared > > it to the HWH installation plumbing diagram. I spoke with HWH & > > pointed out the plumbing discrepancy & they stated it would work > > anyway. Mine would go to travel like yours & then get a lean & the > > airbag red light would come on. I recontacted HWH & they assisted in > > checking the "six pack" air valves & they proved good. I then > > exhausted all air from the air system & put the left air bag line to > > the left control valve & the right to the right. I readjusted my ride > > heights and have traveled without the problem for 40,000 miles. I do > > check my ride height yearly and I replaced both rear height valves > > after one failed.

> I suggest that you diagram your rear height control plumbing and > > have HWH assist you in checking your "six pack" valves. Then reset > > your ride height to factory specs which should be in your owners > > manual along with where to make the measurements. I believe many good > > ride height control valves have been replaced needlessly.
>

> Hope this helps...............
> Steve

> Intrigue #10673
>
>

> > I'm interested in starting a discussion on suspension issues.

> for any information and conversation on the air suspension and auto > > > leveling systems. I have a 98 allure and I have had quite a bit of > > > trouble with the rear suspension. The travel light comes on but

> goes off and a corresponding red light comes on. Red light stays on > > for

> > maybe 15 seconds then the green light comes on again. Coach seems > > to go

> > down the road correctly though. I was in Tucson awhile back and

> checked and they found the Ridewell valve at the left rear

> cracked. They replaced this and said that the original valve was no > > > longer serviced and there was an uprated replacement. Prior to this > > > repair it seemed like the leveling rod on the left side kept coming > > > off. Put it back on and it would stay on for a few miles then

> again. I recently contacted Ridewell and they confirmed that they > > > stopped using the original valve in 1997 due to the body of the

> cracking. There was of course stock in the pipeline so that's

> still was built with the old valves. The right side seems to

> and I haven't had a problem with it. I'm thinking about changing it > > > too, though. I still am not totally satisfied with the way the

> light works erratically . Wonder if anybody out there has dealt

> any of these issues.
> >

> > Thanks

> > Ron 98 Allure 30185
>
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From: "rheavn"
> Ron Schonscheck,

> Your coach and mine ('98 Intrigue) were manufactured with two > > height control valves in front & one in the rear. In '99 a recall > > reconfigured the valves to one in front & two in the rear. (snip) > > FWIW, I called CC in '03 right after we bought our non-slideout '98

and learned that there were no recalls that applied to ours,

ride height control valve recall. Apparently there have been a

Steve very interesting. Mine has 2 rear and I never thought this could > have been a replumb job. Maybe I can find out from CC who did the work > and maybe it wasn't done correctly which caused the constant problem > with the left side coming off. I appreciate the help. Did you see

I said about a revised Ridewell valve due to problems with the original > ones which carried the number 7423 on the body? > regards,

Ron 98 allure 30185

rheavn wrote:

> Ron Schonscheck,

> Your coach and mine ('98 Intrigue) were manufactured with two > > height control valves in front & one in the rear. In '99 a recall > > reconfigured the valves to one in front & two in the rear. On mine > > the dealer that performed the recall plumbed the right rear air bag to > > the left control valve and the left rear air bag to the right control > > valve. The way I caught this was I did a plumbing diagram & compared > > it to the HWH installation plumbing diagram. I spoke with HWH & > > pointed out the plumbing discrepancy & they stated it would work > > anyway. Mine would go to travel like yours & then get a lean & the > > airbag red light would come on. I recontacted HWH & they assisted in > > checking the "six pack" air valves & they proved good. I then > > exhausted all air from the air system & put the left air bag line to > > the left control valve & the right to the right. I readjusted my ride > > heights and have traveled without the problem for 40,000 miles. I do > > check my ride height yearly and I replaced both rear height valves > > after one failed.

> I suggest that you diagram your rear height control plumbing and > > have HWH assist you in checking your "six pack" valves. Then reset > > your ride height to factory specs which should be in your owners > > manual along with where to make the measurements. I believe many good > > ride height control valves have been replaced needlessly.
>

> Hope this helps...............
> Steve

> Intrigue #10673
>
>

> > I'm interested in starting a discussion on suspension issues.

> for any information and conversation on the air suspension and auto > > > leveling systems. I have a 98 allure and I have had quite a bit of > > > trouble with the rear suspension. The travel light comes on but

> goes off and a corresponding red light comes on. Red light stays on > > for

> > maybe 15 seconds then the green light comes on again. Coach seems > > to go

> > down the road correctly though. I was in Tucson awhile back and

> checked and they found the Ridewell valve at the left rear

> cracked. They replaced this and said that the original valve was no > > > longer serviced and there was an uprated replacement. Prior to this > > > repair it seemed like the leveling rod on the left side kept coming > > > off. Put it back on and it would stay on for a few miles then

> again. I recently contacted Ridewell and they confirmed that they > > > stopped using the original valve in 1997 due to the body of the

> cracking. There was of course stock in the pipeline so that's

> still was built with the old valves. The right side seems to

> and I haven't had a problem with it. I'm thinking about changing it > > > too, though. I still am not totally satisfied with the way the

> light works erratically . Wonder if anybody out there has dealt

> any of these issues.
> >

> > Thanks

> > Ron 98 Allure 30185
>
>
>
>
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